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Taking a slice of our space/time in other words and imagining it is the same out there. Ho hum

I comprehend what is actually known and when people make godless stuff up. That'll do.

You have never been out of the 'fishbowl' of the solar system and area. You cannot speak from knowledge.

No one says Jesus only came for the Jews. He does have specific promises for them though. He also has specific promises for us. For example He will gather us in the air and give us new bodies. The thread is about the specific words of God Himself about gathering Israel in that land here on earth. The NEXT time, the second time He does that will be after He comes back and they have been saved. Not in 1948. In other words the evil mass murdering they are doing today has zero connection to God. He did not yet give them that land and restore them.

A lab on earth. (or in the fishbowl of the solar system and area) As you know it is less than a single light day away and irrelevant to the topic of the distant universe. No. Parallax cannot be used for time. It is timespace FROM the fishbowl used as one line in a triangle and then the other two lines are drawn as if equal in meaning. A joke.

No. Only in your head not in real life. Bingo. In other words it is all theory based on beliefs. Not reality.

The shift as it exists here in the fishbowl of the solar system and area. That is what it means here. Not there that we know. As for what is 'moving', that does not tell us how far fast or etc. Whatever light is like currently produced by the sun is irrelevant since that is in the fishbowl here.

Or maybe because time itself changes and affects light. You are assuming that because light is redshifted a certain way on earth, that this must be the cause of all shifts in the universe. Who says it is 'because' of vast distance alone in the far universe? Proof?

Yet stars moving away from us is determined largely by redshift. Unless the reasons light shifted out there were what they assumed (the way it works on earth) then all bets are off. How long have we watched and saw stars actually move? The indirect methods used involve belief.

Here is a quote from an article your link mentioned "Reiss said that the universe "is outpacing all our expectations in its expansion, and that is very puzzling." https://www.businessinsider.com/universe-younger-expanding-faster-than-thought-study-new-physics-2019-4 Since the new observations differ greatly from what a big bang model demands, the obvious question would be why not consider that the big bang model is a crock? Additionally, why not look at the reasons they imagine that stars are flying away from us quickly ('expansion') The interpretation of what redshift is and what causes it is the primary reason if I am not mistaken. Any changing nature of time itself and/or space/timespace as we progress further out in the universe could affect light and make it appear shifted as well. In other words we might consider that distant redshifting is more a feature of time rather than movement.

OK thanks

Flesh that out a bit.

No probe has been even a light day away yet. Compare that to 13 billion light years. We watch all things here. Nowhere else. How long light took to get here is unknown. Now if you want to talk about how long light takes to get here from one light day away, no problem. Despite the anomalies in both Voyagers that some might think could be time related, I am willing to allow that science knows how long light takes one day away! Ha.

Less than one day away says nothing about time billions of ly away. Face it

What it demonstrates is that no man and not even any man made craft have been even one light day away from here. That does not tell us about the nature of space and time many light years away. Get back to us when you send one at least a light week away. When you do you will have authority to speak about the nature of time and space up to a week away! Meanwhile you have beliefs based on nothing at all. Pretending your absolute limited knowledge and experience is 'God's way' tells us a lot about you and God.

Doesn't matter at all. It is still both in the area of the solar system, and less than one lousy light day away. Period.

Actually ( the time anomaly with both craft aside) neither Voyager is even one light day away yet. Sorry if you thought that represented time in the far universe. Hahaha

That does not change the fact that all light and time and movements are observed only here. It matters not at all, that laws operate here a certain way or that time exists a certain way here. Seeing that a light signature coming from the far universe contains hydrogen does not change anything about what time or space are like out there. To have light TAKE millions of years of time to get to us, would mean that time had to exist out THERE (and space) as we experience and know it here. Here where we cannot leave. Here where we have never been anywhere else. Here in the one point of reference in the universe we have. Exactly. ALL use beliefs and we should not conflate that with knowledge or fact or science

Name anyone that lived only seventy years from Adam till Peleg? Even Abraham and Moses lived longer by far. They all lived long long lives. The exact years they each lived are listed in Genesis. No exceptions!

He did say He knew the love of God was not in them. How could it be unless He was in them? The parable was about someone who already had love in him. Not someone working up a passage to heaven. There is only one door, one way to heaven, and that is Jesus. He does have people who need to find Him and know Him so they also can get saved. It does not say those people are people who already are saved and have Him in them now. They need to come to Jesus like everyone else and are not saved by their own works at all. The only way we have His love in us is by having Jesus in our lives and heart. It is not like some are so good (none are good, no not one) that they save themselves without Jesus by doing wonderful works (which are like filthy rags when it comes to paying for eternal life)

To have God in us is to have love in us. It is not our own love that saves us. Love is a result of being saved and having God, who is love, in us. Jesus told the Pharisees one time that He knew them, that they did not have the love of God in them.

His love in us causes us to love others. Not our own love Those were already separated by God. Already saved. He lives in us. Believing in Jesus saves us, nothing else and surely not works of our own. The people who were harvested by God and at His right hand were believers in Jesus. They probably didn't have much time to learn and grow in the word coming from that tribulation, and many were killed. But they are rewarded for the works they did do...just as we all are! The church was Raptured years before this and had already stood before Jesus and received rewards. Rewards are not salvation! They are given to saved people for works they did. In the case of the tribulation saints separated at the end of the tribulation, they receive rewards as well based on what they were able to do. What we have here seems to be Jesus commending saved believers from the tribulation period for their works and bringing them to the place prepared for them (and us, and where we will already be at that time) The ones He informs are the unsaved of course. They do not know Him. We do.

So I guess you could say that about the Palestinians and all people on earth as well. However works do not save anyone. So the folks who donated water and food in the end were saved by belief in Jesus just as everyone else. No exceptions. You see the folks He was talking to were already saved and gathered up. Mat 25: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Great. So that means that the second time God gathers them is at this end time. The people who claimed God gathered Israel in 1948 were wrong. I would say their actions today prove that they have no connection to God in any direct or real way

The whole chronology of Genesis lists such very long lifespans, From Adam to Noah and beyond. It is a mischaracterization to say it was some exception and special miracle. Only long after Babel was that the case and normal. In Gen 5 for example the average life span is 912 years. Once again, the average life in Gen 5 was 912 years. Nowhere in Genesis was it 70 years. Your claims are disingenuous