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Flesh that out a bit.

No probe has been even a light day away yet. Compare that to 13 billion light years. We watch all things here. Nowhere else. How long light took to get here is unknown. Now if you want to talk about how long light takes to get here from one light day away, no problem. Despite the anomalies in both Voyagers that some might think could be time related, I am willing to allow that science knows how long light takes one day away! Ha.

Less than one day away says nothing about time billions of ly away. Face it

What it demonstrates is that no man and not even any man made craft have been even one light day away from here. That does not tell us about the nature of space and time many light years away. Get back to us when you send one at least a light week away. When you do you will have authority to speak about the nature of time and space up to a week away! Meanwhile you have beliefs based on nothing at all. Pretending your absolute limited knowledge and experience is 'God's way' tells us a lot about you and God.

Doesn't matter at all. It is still both in the area of the solar system, and less than one lousy light day away. Period.

Actually ( the time anomaly with both craft aside) neither Voyager is even one light day away yet. Sorry if you thought that represented time in the far universe. Hahaha

That does not change the fact that all light and time and movements are observed only here. It matters not at all, that laws operate here a certain way or that time exists a certain way here. Seeing that a light signature coming from the far universe contains hydrogen does not change anything about what time or space are like out there. To have light TAKE millions of years of time to get to us, would mean that time had to exist out THERE (and space) as we experience and know it here. Here where we cannot leave. Here where we have never been anywhere else. Here in the one point of reference in the universe we have. Exactly. ALL use beliefs and we should not conflate that with knowledge or fact or science

Name anyone that lived only seventy years from Adam till Peleg? Even Abraham and Moses lived longer by far. They all lived long long lives. The exact years they each lived are listed in Genesis. No exceptions!

He did say He knew the love of God was not in them. How could it be unless He was in them? The parable was about someone who already had love in him. Not someone working up a passage to heaven. There is only one door, one way to heaven, and that is Jesus. He does have people who need to find Him and know Him so they also can get saved. It does not say those people are people who already are saved and have Him in them now. They need to come to Jesus like everyone else and are not saved by their own works at all. The only way we have His love in us is by having Jesus in our lives and heart. It is not like some are so good (none are good, no not one) that they save themselves without Jesus by doing wonderful works (which are like filthy rags when it comes to paying for eternal life)

To have God in us is to have love in us. It is not our own love that saves us. Love is a result of being saved and having God, who is love, in us. Jesus told the Pharisees one time that He knew them, that they did not have the love of God in them.

His love in us causes us to love others. Not our own love Those were already separated by God. Already saved. He lives in us. Believing in Jesus saves us, nothing else and surely not works of our own. The people who were harvested by God and at His right hand were believers in Jesus. They probably didn't have much time to learn and grow in the word coming from that tribulation, and many were killed. But they are rewarded for the works they did do...just as we all are! The church was Raptured years before this and had already stood before Jesus and received rewards. Rewards are not salvation! They are given to saved people for works they did. In the case of the tribulation saints separated at the end of the tribulation, they receive rewards as well based on what they were able to do. What we have here seems to be Jesus commending saved believers from the tribulation period for their works and bringing them to the place prepared for them (and us, and where we will already be at that time) The ones He informs are the unsaved of course. They do not know Him. We do.

So I guess you could say that about the Palestinians and all people on earth as well. However works do not save anyone. So the folks who donated water and food in the end were saved by belief in Jesus just as everyone else. No exceptions. You see the folks He was talking to were already saved and gathered up. Mat 25: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Great. So that means that the second time God gathers them is at this end time. The people who claimed God gathered Israel in 1948 were wrong. I would say their actions today prove that they have no connection to God in any direct or real way

The whole chronology of Genesis lists such very long lifespans, From Adam to Noah and beyond. It is a mischaracterization to say it was some exception and special miracle. Only long after Babel was that the case and normal. In Gen 5 for example the average life span is 912 years. Once again, the average life in Gen 5 was 912 years. Nowhere in Genesis was it 70 years. Your claims are disingenuous

Looking at other verses in Isa 11 we actually see the timeframe is the end of the world and no other possible time Isaiah 11:15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod. Isaiah 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt. There is no doubt whatsoever Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord , as the waters cover the sea. Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. Just look at what unbelieving Israel today, that does not have the love of God in them is doing to Gaza. One cannot say nothing shall hurt now!

Not true. The exact years Noah, Adam and etc etc etc lived are written in the bible. Calling that an addition to scripture is a lie. At least you do not even pretend to be a believer. (except in your profile)

Everyone listed in that former time had long lives. There is no special pleading or exceptions that required a miracle involved generally. It was normal. The seventy year span was long after this time.

The years people lived actually are given exactly. Your disbelief changes nothing about how long God tells us they lived (and will live again soon in the future) Believe it, or not

Yes. But even if it were not flawed, it only works a relatively few thousand years. For that time we have had radioactive decay. Beyond that, we don't know. Therefore the ratios cannot be all attributed to decay

The differences in fundamental life on earth such as the length of lives of men and how fast trees grew are in the bible. Nothing 'extra' about the record there. Giving science a little credit for some basics, we know that the continents moved a lot. The bible does give us the approximate timelines involved since the beginning so we know this separation had to happen inside that time. Nothing extra about it. Sorry if you thought you got to wave it all away

They are meaningless Great. I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt for about 4000 years though. Even if 'ages' were in agreement, they would not be ages beyond the time when radioactive decay existed. I have no reason to assume it existed in Noah's day. The pattern loses meaning if the physics/nature/forces/laws were not the same in the days of Genesis. The only way the ratios assume meaning is by attaching the meaning of what happens in today's nature to them. As if they all got here in this nature. They didn't Some part of the ratios was here already at creation, and then was affected by the realities and laws in place at the time of Eden. Then there was the pre flood (and shortly post flood) days. Ratios were affected by the forces and laws that existed then as well. Then there is the present state. The ratios were affected by this nature as well (radioactive decay etc)

Miracles are not unsciptural. Disbelief is.

Attempting to explain why it was like it was is not making anything up. But since science incessantly seeks to make up things about how we got here by the belief that the samestatepastdunnit, it is appropriate to revisit their godless alternate reality past with reason and biblical acumen.

What God does is not some 'unscriptural miracle'. Looking at the future, man will again live nearly 1000 years and the world will again be as in the days of Noah. The world will not be what we now have. Heaven will not be what we now have. Eden was not what we now have. From descriptions of the pre flood world, it was not what we now have.

No, God turned to gentiles because Israel rejected Him. Not because of some future mid tribulation event to come. Whatever it is it starts mid trib and ends when Jesus returns. Any guesses you may have as to 'what' it will be of how to define it do not matter.