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No surprise there. Perhaps you also never read the topic here either?

Ignoring what was posted is not honest. Dan 7 told of the kingdoms of the world and said the saints will rule. The chapter also focused on the tribulation saints and how they will rule. In Rev 20 we see this. 20 Then[a] I saw an angel descending from heaven, holding[b] in his hand the key to the abyss and a huge chain. 2 He[c] seized the dragon—the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan—and tied him up for a thousand years. 3 The angel[d] then[e] threw him into the abyss and locked[f] and sealed it so that he could not deceive the nations until the one thousand years were finished. (After these things he must be released for a brief period of time.) 4 Then[g] I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge.[h] I also saw .... Two things are seen here. Those ruling who had authority, and also how the trib saints will have such authority. One site puts it like this "The "first resurrection" includes those who are raised at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16), along with these end-times believers, into eternal life. Those who are part of the "second resurrection," described later, face only judgment (Revelation 20:5; 20:11–15). https://www.bibleref.com/Revelation/20/Revelation-20-4.html If this is correct, then read the verse and apply it Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. If we are raptured before the tribulation begins, where does that leave us believers?

Yes they will be helping. Again I suspect you want to do your one trick pony here again and interpret that as meaning that the saints who return with Jesus won't be also involved. As I said I can't help you here with that narrow minded, myopic, rest of the bible ignoring pet doctrine.

No it isn't wrong. Apparently you also think this verse eliminates the billions of other Christians of all ages from ruling with Christ. This is not the thread to help you with that. We are the living, not the dead by the way. This is news? What I see here is a prophetic book talking about a specific people in a specific time. Like an encouragement for people in that time, letting them know that they too will be as the other saints of God and rule with Him. Their inclusion does not exclude anyone else!

Saved Israel will be part of who He has ruling. God of course restores and protects them after they get saved. He also has untold millions of saints of the church. Also the millennial believers both Jewish and otherwise. Your attempt to eliminate most saints is noted. Sorry. No chance. They will be super happy to be in the family and super respectful of other believers as well.

What you believe is false, on an off topic issue does not matter. Sorry, the four kingdoms all do not find themselves restrained to several years in the end. Not worth arguing about. Despite your strange desire to try to omit believers/saints as ruling with Jesus, you have no support for the idea. Yes saved Israel after the Tribulation will help rule. You seem to want to do your little one trick pony approach here, and take that to mean no one else also will! That would be a myopic and base and mean spirited and truly ignorant way to interpret Scripture.

You can claim Greece and Rome etc were not of the four beasts if you like. It is not a serious position, so don't stink up the thread spamming cultishly weird and weak opinions instead of addressing the issues.

The chapter covers Rome, Greece, Medo Persia, and Babylon, as well as the final manifestation of the Roman kingdom. Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. It spans all those empires and times and then mentions that His saints will rule. Later it focuses in on the end time, and points out that those folks in the tribulation period who believe will be included, and also rule. Jesus returns with His saints. That is when Jesus takes all the kingdoms and gives them to us to rule. We who were Raptured and returning with Him also of course rule with Him. So will the folks either killed in the tribulation or who are delivered when we return. I am not sure why you try to stuff it all together to omit believers of all ages, and imagine that only the left behind/tribulation new believers will help Jesus rule here. You have no case. Stop embarrassing yourself with brash and truly out to lunch cultish pet doctrines here and address the topic.

Let's have a look and see Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. Those kingdoms (as correspond with chapter two) span a lot of the history of the world. Not a few years in the end only. Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. So it goes right up till Jesus returns. Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. So here we have Jesus taking over. Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. That kingdom is the one Jesus sets up when He returns. We rule with Him. There is no shadow of a hint here that this only means the saints who happened to live in the tribulation!

Explain how you thought Dan 7 was limited to believers from the tribulation?

You bet. Dan 7:18 But the holy people of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever—yes, for ever and ever Daniel 7:27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him Revelation 22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever. We will rule forever, including the 1000 years. So if gravity were a little less or if the strong nuclear force was different or other fundamental realities of today, it would not be affecting molecules in our bodies, or lifespans etc etc. Looking at a few differences before and after the flood, we see trees grew in weeks then. Probably the same in the future millennium. People lived 900+ years. The same will be true in the future. Looking at the great variety and diversity of life in the past it seems reasonable to conclude that adapting probably was super fast. Lions and wolves will eat grass in the 1000 years, so they will change fast in the future also. etc etc etc etc

What kingdom? You mean already in eternal bodies? In that time we rule with Him and all the kingdoms of the world become His kingdoms! The folks in the world kingdoms will be blessed if they obey and if any rebel, they will face swift justice. The promised land is just a little area of Israel. We will rule the world with Him So the issue of what laws and nature will be in place for them is what we are looking at. Those raptured and in eternal bodies do not need to worry about lifespans or food etc.

In Psalms we see this Ps 72:16 There shall be abundance of grain in the earth upon the top of the mountains; The fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: And they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth. So even stuff growing at high altitudes will grow like crazy. There will also be no more hunger, lots of food for all. And I will cause showers to come down in their season; they will be showers of blessing. Also the tree of the field will yield its fruit and the earth will yield its increase . . . Ezekiel 34:26b-27a And in that day The mountains will drip with sweet wine, And the hills will flow with milk, And all the brooks of Judah will flow with water; And a spring will go out from the house of the LORD To water the valley of Shittim. Joel 3:18 The animals will all be friendly. And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox. Isaiah 11:6-7 (NASB) The digestive systems in animals changes quickly. Such adapting is not possible in the present nature. Long lifespans, many centuries. Also no blindness or deafness or miscarriages etc. In that day the deaf shall hear the words of a book, and out of their gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind shall see. Isaiah 29:18 (NASB) They will not labor in vain, Or bear children for calamity; For they are the offspring of those blessed by the LORD Isaiah 65:23

False. That story was concocted to try to explain materials that a reaction left. The only way they could explain it using present nature and laws was by that elaborate story. Wholly made up of course. Also as foolish as can be. The magic elevator ride for one thing. Just when they need it to happen in their scenario the sites at Oklo were dunked miles under the earth. For no apparent reason and with zero proof. Then, as needed, magically, when the reactions that had to go on down there were just right, presto! Up to the surface it comes to complete the rest of the sequence needed. Hilarious. No wonder the whole site was drowned underwater years ago! Who can check now?

We do see that life in the past and the future is drastically and fundamentally different In the millennium we see lives of men at 1000 years or so. The plants then will grow fast. Of course eternal beings like the saved and angels are not bound to any laws on earth. However the people living will be under them

He talked about the abomination that Daniel spoke about and we know how long that will be there once it is set up, In Revelation as well. Since we have zero common ground on prophesy, stick to the topic.

He does not return in the midst of the week when the abomination that maketh desolate is set up. Strawman. I see, so you want to interpret the place prepared by God as some specific place you think the dens in mountains are. Then you want all that to be at the tail end of the seven years. Then you want the ones Jesus told to flee in the middle of the seven years to be some exclusively wicked club. Got it. Rather than address the topic and add anything to the thread, you have insisted on spamming poorly thought out cult pet doctrines here. Not very honest

Put up or remain exposed as being wrong that science can observe laws millions of years ago and know the lifespans of men in Adam's day.

When Jesus returns it would do no one any good to try to flee. You seem incapable of admitting your prophesy accumen is poor and confused. Jesus returning to land on earth does not clue us in to what the laws of nature will be. Try again

You think Adam improved and became godlike when he disobeyed? No. He was far far from God after that. The enemy of God, basically. Why? Because he disobeyed and got dunked in evil and believing Satan when God wanted man to have some time first ruling earth and learning and coming to know Him first. You see, God can handle anything. We could not in those first days of being created. So He had to die a horrible death for us, to get us able to be with Him again. Slogans won't help you. I know for a fact that science can do no such foolish thing. Apparently you do not know your limits. How many that actually believe what God said? How many of those believe there was a flood, and people living the time the bible records, a real Adam and Eve etc? My guess is zero. Perhaps you could phrase it something like this.. 'My fellow unbelievers, pretending to believe disagree with you'? In other words they slot new fossils into the Darwin dream scheme. A better way to look at new species that are found might be something like this 'Because evolving and adapting was super fast in that different former nature, of course we find variations of created kinds' etc. Or maybe something like this 'Some created kinds were quite similar to each other, and we are ignorant of that, so we instead classify any new similar fossil as being a result of evolution only' etc I have my own religion, thank you very much. I see, so EVERYONE in Genesis before the tower of Babel was graced by God with 'exceptionally' extra long lives??! Hilarious. Especially since all men save Noah and co were wicked and destroyed by Good in the flood! Your choice to ignore and outright disbelieve the record of lifespans in the bible, and try to default to David's day when maybe it was close to just 70 years is, again, obstinate, flagrant unbelief. They used to say 'either pee or get off the pot'. I would say to nominal believers in Scripture (whether actually saved or not) that they should either believe what Scripture says about beginnings, or stop sitting there pretending all day and move on to other aspects of life. If all people can believe in is Jesus and that He died for us and is God, well, fine. When they pretend to believe the whole bible and disgrace the cause by showing otherwise, that is a different matter.

When the AntiChrist reveals the abomination in the midst of the seven years in the end, there are years left till He returns, and probably years gone by since the Rapture. That has what to do with physics either being the same or different then?

WE did not become like God by disobeying and believing Satan. As another poster pointed out man in some ways became as God in the aspect of knowing both evil and good. That led to death and hell. For man it was bad. For God it is fine. The different future and past in the record of Scripture has zero to do with me. Is IS Scripture. Your unbelief is not supportable. It is a choice. No. You observe here and now. Always. No exceptions. From distant light streaming here, to patterns of ratios of isotopes in rocks. The rest is delusion. Your beliefs cannot take wings. They get clipped as soon as you speak here. Obviously Scripture does record very long lives, regardless of what you say or choose to believe.

I hope so, Jesus told them to. Not only that but to flee instantly, not even taking clothes from their house etc. They flee to a place He prepared for them for a time. Sorry you think that means the wicked. I have three words for you on that one. Get over it.

Sons of god used to marry here and have babies etc. Spirits today are generally invisible.

Man had fallen from his eternal place and state. He had become sinful and fallen in nature. That is nothing like God. In one way man was like Him, but that was not a good thing at the time. No. Pre flood and early post flood man[s lives were much much longer. You simply do not believe and prefer to start where science thinks it knows ancient lifespans were. No, it is belief in what it states. No. You can't. You superimpose beliefs onto what is seen. The result is a lie and delusion. No. Evidence is great. Your beliefs painted on to evidence is the problem. Too bad you can't even tell the difference The long lives are how it was. Etc etc. Why not believe, or at least not pretend to?