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I never said or hinted at any such foolishness. Nor will all flesh be destroyed in the tribulation! WE will rule nations after that right here. You don't get to lie about what I said and then falsely accuse me of misleading others. I kid you not.

Then tell us the origin of stars their distances and sizes etc? The stars?

? What has that got to do with some worldwide catastrophe in the Exodus? When? Show the dating.

They do not use weapons to set up an idol. Probably nerds. The abomination causes desolation. That is what the bible says. That is what Jesus says. Now we could guess about how armed forces would be involved in implementing things. For example if the image spoke and said no more babies allowed, forces would be used to go after folks who disobeyed etc.

They would also know that science does not actually know where stars came from, how big or far away they really are etc etc. Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days "‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' So if the stars are not stars, the moon is not the moon, or the sun the sun!

Who cares if that is true or not, as if you knew? It will be set up by someone. So..? No. I pointed out we don't know. Maybe it will be contractors? Maybe the secret service protecting the AntiChrist? Maybe the UN? I asked you too support your claim it was I think you said the US armed forces? Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate The military will be needed of course. They will be involved in setting up the image. Whether they have soldiers do the technical work or labor I am not sure and it doesn't matter either way. The thing is that that image will not move every island and mountain. You seem to be trying to obfuscate the fact you don't believe it. Rather you allude to islands and mountains moving as being unreal or just a symbol or whatever. That is the issue here. Not who is hired to set up some super technical image or whatever.

Right...and? You have? Were you high on something? Name a few modern missiles or whatever is in your head that reach all stars in the universe? Cite the post I claimed that in?

No one said it was during that war it happened. Be serious. So? That has what to do with what nature will be like? (or anything else spoken about here so far) ? Name a weapon that makes all stars fall and the sun go out? ? You thought it was or did someone say it was? Or are you typing words randomly?

Says who? If the abomination in the bible makes desolate, then that is what it does. No American soldiers needed. God causes the judgments of that final period. The abomination merely marks the time the countdown begins. Get on topic. What has any of that got to do with what the nature in the Tribulation will be like? So far, if I have your opinion straight, I think you basically do not believe that every island and mountain will actually be moved in the end as the bible states.

God can and He described what will happen. Believe it or not.

No, I can't. God can and will. So the bible says. Islands and mountains moving is a description of an idol in Jerusalem??

? You think that the thing placed in the holy place is the army? The idol or whatever it is that is set up causes desolation. All part of the Tribulation. This has what to do with the topic? (state of nature during the tribulation)

No one said either that a king attacked the Aussies or that this was the great tribulation. Australia was mentioned as one island of all islands that will move in the tribulation. Once again the point is that when we shove all land masses around, like Australia, this would cause a lot of heat. Focus.

Verse that says that the idol causes the Tribulation? I had thought it marked the start of it as Jesus pointed out. No doubt it is a trigger and will result in a lot of rebellion. However I do not recall any verse that says IT is the cause? Nothing in there says it is the abomination set up that caused it. But you seem to be off on a tangent here.

Why are you claiming there is some greater Trib than the Great Trib exactly? Don't try to pin that on me Right, your point? Of course there is a Great Tribulation. It is IN that time when the islands and mountains all move. And no, it is not all because of some little idol set up somewhere.

Not true at all. In fact the point was that nature was different then because the world is NOT destroyed! Not true. Every nation and island and mountain obviously are not in any city. Believers would already know

Nations and every island etc is not restricted to one city. You read it Right, and it is part of every Island. That tells you what?

Every island and mountain is moved out of their places. That has what to do with 'Babylon'? The cities of nations fell. Not some micro cities of nations inside a city named Babylon. Every island moved, not mountains in Babylon! You don't even know what Babylon is I wager!

I see, you now claim that the military of the US will set up the abomination Jesus and Daniel spoke about. I would ask for proof, but since you offered none (of course) and the idea is wonky at best, I won't bother. But do feel free to support your claim here. The moving of Australia and every other island on earth is not caused by some little idol placed in the temple mount. Get over it.

The abomination is something set up in the area in Jerusalem where the holy place is. In no possible way does it make every island flee away etc etc. (let alone causes the heavens to collapse!) In fact AFTER the abomination is placed we have years left before the end, with a sky, islands etc! I must deduce so far, by your words here that you are not debating seriously or honestly, or else your knowledge of history and Scripture is next to nil.

False. It states they moved from where they were. Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. hayer's to cause to go, i.e. to move, set in motion to be moved, move: of that motion which is evident in life to move from a place, to remove

Two questions. One is what support do you have that there was some world catastrophe during the exodus?? The other question, is where are the four events? You cited one with support, the flood, as well as one that was unsupported totally. Furthermore no one can support the claim that all continental plates rapidly moved in the flood year! That is a guess. As for Atlantis, again total conjecture. The supposed other catastrophes before the flood are also made up, or might as well be.

Right, but who says that during the rapid separation of continents nature was as it is today either? The plate movement in Revelation is very sudden. Nothing in recorded history was like that.

Revelation 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found We already know that the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth has different realities and a different nature than this present time. People live about 1000 years again as before the flood, spirits dwell on earth with men, plants grow fast, and etc. One interesting question is whether that change in nature and laws starts before the 1000 years and in the last seven years sometime? The verse above indicates it is already changed when the continents and islands all suddenly move. If that were to happen in this presnet day, I hear immense heat would result, that would probably not allow human life on earth.

They may have been formed, however, for all we know in the former world and nature which, of course is not known to be the same as nature and laws today. Your statement is belief.