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The first thing I found was a site about a Greek legend. Got a real link? The bible does not mention a Greek legend comet that does what you think. Try to learn the difference between fantasy and reality. Truth and fiction. Sci fi and history. Etc

Rock drawings show mankind eating manna? Seriously? Part of God's judgments will be that it is hotter. That doesn't mean you can read into that whatever cosmic dreams you pick. How God will do it we don't know.

So God gave much of the world angel food? A verse about the earth moving or not being moved says nothing of the specific cosmic event you describe. On the issue of 360 day years, yes that was the case in Noah's day. When it changed we don't know.

Not sure if this is supposed to be a joke. Funny how such wild speculation is offered as fact. You seem to be claiming that angels eat comet debris (sounds tasteless), and that manna fell all over the planet. Additionally you claim that history somehow missed this event, not to mention the cataclysmic change in earth orbit.

So far so good No. I see no reason to multiply the length of the great tribulation to thousands of years. You are guessing as to when it changed. My guess is around the time of the tower of Babel

So if 3 and a half times is 3 1/2 years, how is it also 3 times 360 years? Since we were given that same time also in months and days we know it is not a thousand plus years. A time therefore is a year. a time, times and half a time is 3 1/2 years. In Numbers the verse talks about one 40 day period that relates to a judgment in years. It also does not mention time or times. In Eze 4 it is again talking about a specific time, 40 years and days. Again, no mention of times. This does not mean every time a day or year in the bible is mentioned it means something else! Where is a specific time given that relates to 1948?

Looking at a commentary it says nothing about thousands of years or that a time equals 360 days? Support that concept. "and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins; add new and many more chastisements, and that in hot displeasure, for their sins; and the repetition or doubling of the phrase, "I, even I, will do it", denotes the certainty of it, and that he will do it himself, and his hand should be visible in it; and they should feel the weight of it, and be obliged to own that these were punishments inflicted by him for their sins." https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/geb/leviticus-26.html#verse-28 " Verse 18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. Punish you seven times more - i:e., with far more severe and protracted calamities. 'Seven is the number in the divine law with which the idea of remission was ever linked. It is true that we find it as the number of punishment or retribution for evil also (Genesis 4:5; Leviticus 26:18; Leviticus 26:21; Leviticus 26:24; Leviticus 26:28; Deuteronomy 28:23); yet this should not disturb or perplex, rather confirm us in this view, since there lies ever in punishment the idea of restoration of disturbed relations, and so of forgiveness,' (Trench 'On the Par.')" https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/jfu/leviticus-26.html#verse-27 This suggests that the meaning has to do with severity rather than some great time. If we were to play with numbers to somehow land in 1948, then that simply puts Israel closer to the time when great and sever trials will come. Nothing to do with God restoring them in 1948.

Never! So, to those claiming God did restore Israel then, they have work to do! His timing is when they call out to Him. The restoring and protection is then immediate. I have seen people get saved and they are new creatures. Born again. It may take time for them to get to the point where they are ready to get saved. Like the Rapture, getting our eternal bodies happens in a twinkling of the eye. No process. Great, that takes time. That has nothing to do with God restoring them to the land as promised AFTER they do. We can use the words saved or unsaved. If unsaved then they are unholy. Jesus makes us holy because He is holy, not us. When Israel is saved then they are holy. When they are not, then they are only connected to a people that God called that could be holy if they choose. God calls Jerusalem, for example 'Sodom and Gomorrah' in it's present state. Jews are not born saved because they are Jews. After they are saved we are family. Not before. Who said we should write people off? They could get written in the book of life (or not crossed out from it) if they choose before it is too late. That depends on who we are talking to. Gabriel said that there was that time for the Jews. That time however, of course is for the world! Not just Jews will be tried and saved in that time. To bring and end to transgression and finish it all up, there has to be that tribulation period. Dan 12: 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

That does not mean that they exist obeying Him. It means that God steps back and let's what will be in this sinful world be. He also limits the damage evil empires can cause and etc. The mere existence of Nazi Germany did not mean that God endorsed a war that killed 27 million people or whatever. The existence of modern secular Israel does not mean God dislikes Palestinians or agrees with the sodomy and wickedness that goes on there. Since bible prophesy says Israel will exist and be invaded etc etc all it means is that God knew it would exist. It does NOT mean He restored them to the land yet or that they are saved. No. The nation prophesied about that will mostly be killed and persecuted and attacked and etc only means that God knows Israel will be there and under a time of trouble till they get saved. The issue is when GOD restores saved Israel. Not when secular doomed to severe severe severe judgment Israel exists. Israel has ZERO to do with the restoration by GOD. There is no process. The only process is when they say uncle and repent and get saved. Then and only then will God restore and save and protect them. False. Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. All things were not fulfillled in 1967. Obviously. The VERY next verse prove that this was not 1967 Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Try telling the truth

Except He will work on Israel getting them ready to accept Him in that terrible time. Sorry if that rocks your boat.

Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord 's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. If that was the message in the scrolls guess when it was for? The end.

God does orchestrate things. In the Scriptures (copies of which were found that day) it tells us about the future of Israel. That future is one of death and sorrow and trouble in the end, leading to salvation. Finding such Scriptures (or verifying they were correct) did not mean that God restored and saved Israel that day. Israel does need to be a nation for prophesy to be true. They need to be invaded and etc etc. That does not mean that they were restored by God in 1948, regardless of whether ancient copies of Scripture was found at the time. It is significant but not in a way that means God has returned and saved Israel yet.

If I have a good time does that mean I have it for 360 years? How do you get the numbers? The captivity ended in 538BC according to a quick search I did. How did you connect that to 1948 again?

I would lean that way, but am not all that familiar with them. How does it relate?

People get saved in the tribulation. Lots of people. Jesus returns right after those days. The two witnesses are not allowed to be killed until after their testimony is finished-after the tribulation. Do you need me to say that is red letters to get it?

That is a general warning. Nothing to do with 1948. They actually were in captivity for about 70 years time. Silly number game. By the way the people that run the secular nation are not saved and therefore not His people brought there by God after they get saved. That's it? That is your attempt to provide scripture for a claim God restored them in 1948? No connection at all. Pitiful No relation to 1948 at all. Same as above. Stop spamming off topic verses in a pretense that you are replying. God knows. The attacks on that land in the end also do not make any such distinction. It is Israel that is attacked. The Jews in the end left alive who get saved will know their fathers made the wrong choice! Your imagined confusion is invented. The folks in Israel or that are Jewish in the end are not all of one tribe. Get over it. Yet they know Him whom they have pierced. You do realize Chaldea is Babylon? Nothing to do once again with 1948 Except you made that up. The bible does not say 2520 years. We understand you would like to somehow play with numbers to arrive at 1948. Sorry, no. The word time does not mean 360 years, sorry. Nice try.

That was a parable. We should get the point from it. Not get hung up on inserted pet theories and literal obsession. But it is true that many so called churches will be left behind. Did you detox? Or maybe a neighbor was annoyed and shouted what are you doing here? Ha That reminds me of the blonde that was ice fishing. She was trying to cut the ice in a circle and thought she heard a voice saying 'don't touch the ice'. She was puzzled and yelled, 'God, is that you'? The voice came again and said, 'This is an ice rink, do not cut the ice'. Considering the muddled confusion you ended up with, I would be careful about blaming it on God. You are welcome to 'see things'. You are not welcome to assault bible prophesy with quack theories. On the contrary. He allows armies to gather to attack them. He allows most of them to be killed...etc etc. You are not even warm. So believers are protected in the last 3 1/2 years after fleeing. Not the nation of Israel. Not all believers on earth. Obviously since there are many killed for their faith. So? So you say. Verses 32-34 are about the Maccabean Revolt, which I specific all stated, verse 35 is a TRANSITION VERSE as I state in my Exegesis, and it is the WHOLE CHURCH AGE !! Nope. There is a blending from the past into the end time. Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. That is end time! Any similarity to the Macabees is of no real import. Not only that, it is specifically end time. Including the covenant.

Inside your head only. The only period of 1260 is after the Great Tribulation starts. If you thought you were 'called' to invent something else, sorry. That time finishes when Jesus returns. Obviously. NOW God's focus for the final 7 years is back on Israel, the once again have God's Mantle so to speak, God wants to set up a Kingdom Age in Jerusalem for 1000 years, fulfilling Hi every prophetic utterance about Israel. He sets that up when He returns. What is being set up there now is not it. Great. So what? That has what to do with 1948? Once we know when that time ends, what else matters? It ends when Jesus returns. Luke 21: 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Ridiculous. He does not come in the clouds when the Trib starts. No one needs a hint to know it is when Jesus returns. Except you made that up. We do not know how many will believe in the midst of the seven years. If only a fraction of a percent were unbelievers at this time, why would armies from all over the globe surround Jerusalem? By your numbers you could send a squad car! So you won't let that go-inserting numbers in the middle of the seven years. Whatever. Don't bother us with that nonsense. No. Israel is not saved in the middle of the week. Only in the end. The plan of God before that is getting them to the point they will get saved. We have already looked at how the Great Trib starts in the middle of the week. Nevertheless the whole seven years is a terrible time. The angels are pouring out the wrath of God. Judgments on the world. My condolences if you actually believe that. The 1260 days starts when the mid week abomination of desolation is set up. Not really complicated. Maybe you should learn what 3.5-5 million means, lol, that a RANGE VARIANT of 1.5 million, the number is not important, it could be more or less according to births, deaths etc. The NUMBER is nor relevant per se, the number not actually being 144,000 is VERY RELEVAANT, thus if its only 2.5 million because of deaths, or 6 million because of more births, the POINT IS, its not 144,000 which is miniscule by comparison to either number. Do you actually think before you respond brother? The number is specific and even divided into 12 parts and is not remotely related to some 'range variant'.

The thing is where in any prophesy is the restoring and protecting etc of Israel talked about that regards 1948? Great, so the issue is when this will happen. IN no way does it point to the founding of secular Israel today. There was not a clean heart sprinkled on them in 1948. They are not clean then or now. They did and do not loathe themselves for their unbelief and evil. So that certainly is not history. They were not saved and cleaned in 1948 obviously. Not sure why you post all this. None of it at all helps you. They are not holy or saved now. Obviously. That is future. Obviously Paul and the apostles and many believers were saved as were untold multitudes since then. That has no application to all Israel getting saved in the end, or to the modern state of Israel. As a group, Jewish people today are not saved or believers in their Messiah. Notice also in much of the chapter here God is talking to the actual land of Israel? That land today and the people on it are not His saved people at all. No more, really than the world in general is. The exceptions in all places are not the thrust of the prophesy here. So no, it has not started to be fulfilled. False. That last seven years and specifically the last half of that period is the time of Great Tribulation. There is no other. It was for us especially who would live in those days. Using the word tribulation in general as seen in history has no application to that special time of His wrath in the end. There is only one abomination of desolation set up in the end. All other abominations were shadows of things to come. The ultimate fulfillment is only for that last seven year period and that final AntiChrist leader. Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. That was just a taste of things to come. Prophesy often starts in the present and then leaps to the future. The abomination spoken of by Daniel was not in that time. That requires some understanding as Jesus pointed out. Let him that reads understand. To read end time prophesy blindly, seeing only the bits that were shadows of things to come in the past is to not understand it at all. No. He sent His words for believers to come as well. Other sheep had He also that were not of that fold in that time! Jesus is alive not dead. He lives in believers and His word lives as well. When He talks to us, it is personal and we are every bit a part of 'we' 'you', 'ye' etc as they were. So when talking to us who will be alive when that final Great Tribulation starts that is unique and in the end time, He of course says we should flee when we see that abomination etc. We are the primary ones He is talking to! The believers of that time would also have a taste of some of the things, so they are included in some of the things. In end time prophesy the people alive when it happens are the people primarily that the prophesy is for. Psalm 118:21-26 (KJV) 21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation (Hebrew: liy liyshuwa` = "to-my to-Yshuwa`"). 22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. 23 This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes. 24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. 25 Save now (Hebrew: Howshiy`aah naa' = Greek: hosanna = "Rescue-us now!"), I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity. 26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD (Hebrew: Baruwkh haba' b-shem YHWH = "Welcome the-comer in-name of-YHWH"): we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD. As the new testament showed us this is prophesy of the first coming of Jesus. Then in verse 25 we could apply that to the second coming as well. When He saves all Israel. At that time we could even allow your interpretation of house of the Lord! No problem. There is a temple after Jesus returns in the millennium, no? No better application of welcome the Comer than when He comes back! Simple. Notice you inserted a word there to try and make the verse fit a preconceived notion? The Messiah was already dead and cut off by the time we hit verse 27! Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Neither was it the Messiah's people that came to destroy anything! Neither was the end anytime in history! From other prophesies we know that the final prince will confirm a covenant. Nothing to do with a davidic covenant at all. Not sure you comprehend what you posted in that verse. It is plain to understand. The covenant that was mentioned involved the daily sacrifice and will be stopped and the abomination of desolation set up, until Jesus clobbers him and all his henchmen.

The transfiguration did not name who the end time witnesses were. It very well could be them. Nevertheless we don't know. I have heard other guesses. As for Mal 4:5 some think that was John the Baptist. "The symbolic Elijah was John the Baptist (Matthew 11:10-15; Matthew 17:10-13; Luke 1:13-17). After Malachi, John was the next prophet whose voice was heard in Scripture" https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/bbc/malachi-4.html#verse-1 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet,.... Not the Tishbite, as the Septuagint version wrongly inserts instead of prophet; not Elijah in person, who lived in the times of Ahab; but John the Baptist, who was to come in the power and spirit of Elijah" https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/geb/malachi-4.html#verse-5 "Malachi 4:5 Comments The prophecy of Malachi of the coming of Elijah was well known by the first century Jews. Elijah did not taste of physical death, but was raptured into heaven in a fiery chariot (2 Kings 2:1-11). The first-century Jews were taught that he would return physically to Israel, as Peter reminded Jesus (Matthew 17:10). Jesus explained that the coming of John the Baptist fulfilled this prophecy because he came with the anointing of Elijah (Matthew 17:11-12). " https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/ghe/malachi-4.html#verse-1 etc etc So as I said, it is a matter of opinion and interpretation. Better to admit we don't know. Try that sometime. Yes, I think we go up in the air with Jesus around the time the last seven years starts. So what the term 'first resurrection' means is again opinion. Not all agree. Says you. Show the verses that say they are holed up in Bozrah? But Jesus is restoring the Kingdom, thus this prose is telling. Israel are the Wheat who grew together with the tares until the very end. No. There will be believers and wicked together on this earth in the last seven years. That is not when God restores Israel! That is about the end of the tribulation. Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord , two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God. Finally they get saved. Then Jesus returns to earth.

False. He will have been working on Israel the whole tribulation, with trials designed to get them to repent. It is not some random thing. They will believe in Jesus and be sorry and saved. Still a guess. Albeit a common and a good one. He warned them to flee super fast. Not next month. No. They are to pray that the day they flee will not be a Saturday. Nothing to do with 4 weeks. How many miles we don't know. The main thing is to get the heck out of there right away. As much as you would like it to involve many weeks to give credence to your shoving the additional days back inside the seven year period rather than after. The first part of Zec 13 actually is about the millennium after He returns. In Zec 14 it ends talking about the millennium. The tribulation period is mentioned later in chapter 13 as well as earlier in Zec 14. So it is not 2 chapters in chronological sequence. In this sort of situation one needs to be familiar with end time prophesies in general to have a sense of what is what. There is no 1200 whatever days mentioned before the middle. It is after. "From the time..." It does not say the woman flees before the Great Tribulation even starts. When did Jesus tell them they would need to flee? When the abomination of desolation is set up. THEN they must immediately flee. From that time there is 3 1/2 years left. That is when the woman flees. No idea what you are talking about. Of course the final king reigns in the great Tribulation. And..? No. Israel is not saved before the time of Jacob's trouble. You missed the forest for the trees. The last part of the seven years is part of the period designed to get Israel to repent. Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. If Israel were saved already no one would touch them! It would be over. Maybe take a little time off of patting yourself on the back for being so good a prophesy and actually learn something.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

No idea what point you think you made there. Of course the tribulation is bad. And...so...??

Nope. Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God ; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all. Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. That never happened yet. Not in 722. Not in 1948 There is no 1948 anywhere. State whatever you like. They still had transgressions in 1948 etc It mentions a former divide that will no longer exist when they are restored by God. His restoring will not take any great time at all. Boom. Done. I knew better before you got started. No sense bragging. WE all know there are periods of weeks or days after Jesus returns. You trying to stick them in the trib period somewhere is what is being looked at here.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. When we are received into the air we are brought to where He is in the air. When He returns to earth at the appointed time after the Tribulation, we are still with Him. So you thought that believers in the Great Tribulation would not suffer? Not true. Many will be martyred. They will not be able to buy food or anything else. The world will be burnt and the trees killed the waters turned to blood, so nothing to drink, hailstones about a 100 pounds each falling, the government will be seeking out believers to kill them for refusing the mark, the stars and sun will go dark, demons will be openly on the earth, etc etc. Jesus does not subdue enemies until He returns. Pretty basic stuff. Yes His Father and the mansions and city He prepared is in heaven. Yes we are raised either alive or from the dead to go UP in the air to be with Him forever. Rev 19: 1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. 5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. The scene is in heaven, so what makes you say that the marriage supper is not there? Notice how those following Jesus are dressed? 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Since He then gathers believers from the Tribulation (including Jewish) perhaps we could say another celebration happens as the commentary suggested. Jews who are saved today or then are in the household of God like everyone else who believes. The Israel in the end that gets saved are not those individuals who already got saved. Israel as a nation and people today are not saved. All the promises God made to them about the land and restoring them etc etc will be fulfilled when they finally get saved. Yes calling them Israel is apt. That remnant that gets saved in the end is not the church! The Bride is a special batch of believers since Jesus came. When all Israel gets saved they are another batch! The Tribulation saints are another batch. The Millennial saints are another batch! All will be one in Christ. However that does not mean we do not have special promises such as to the Jewish people that will be fulfilled. The Millennium saints will be saved from the wicked that camp around them. The church will be Raptured in the air to be with Him and our city is New Jerusalem. One promise we share with the Jewish people who will get saved is that we both will rule with Him. Wrong. Calling it a lie is the lie. Clearly Jesus went to heaven. Not earth! Clearly God lives in heaven not earth. The atmosphere is also called heaven. However that is not the part of heaven where God dwells. That which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit. They are not the same. Luke 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth That for example is not talking about earth or where kites fly! The signs in the heavens we are told about include the sun and stars going dark etc. Heaven is not limited to where birds fly. Period. The city comes to earth down from heaven. The city has been prepared in heaven.