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Yes and after that on each creation day He did more. Create man for example. We were formed from the ground, not spoke into being. Etc Verse 2 actually says this. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. Your rendition is heavily opinionated and skewed. God was right here on a created planet continuing to make it better and ready for life. It was how the world was before God made the dry land appear etc. No spooky anti- rest of the bible imaginary billions of inserted years involved.

Chapter and verse? Circumcision was an outward show of belief. It saved no one. So their hearts need to be right. In belief. THEN He remembers His covenant. Meanwhile He has some mercy in the other lands they must go into. The sin results in things like them having to leave the land and have Jerusalem destroyed and etc etc. Only when they repent are they eligible for the promises. And the WAY He fulfills the promises is given to us. They have to go through the time of Jacob's trouble and then finally get saved and believe. Nations will be blessed by them once they believe in the end. Now they are more of a curse! Nations also were blessed in the past, because through them came Jesus! But they rejected Him He will give the believers the land. Not today. They are not believers. ONLY believers will get it. Only after they receive Jesus. Not before. Period. The only force it has is that He remembers them and has them go through a time of trial and judgment to purge them, so that one day they will believe. THEN the promise is fulfilled. So it was not revoked but put on pause. The big commandment of Jesus/God is to believe. No rituals done with a heart that is not right amount to a hill of beans. In the past when they were believers and He was their God, He of course did give them the land. He also fought their enemies. Even then, He gave them a land and freed them not because they were good. When He saves them after they receive Jesus in the end, He will again give them the land and destroy their enemies etc and again, not because they are good! Jesus saves, not works.

Not at all, I made it clear the days given in Genesis were the stages. Waters separated from land etc. Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord ; and there is none else. He both made the earth and formed it the way it is. No imaginary ages needed. The idea in Gen is that at first the earth was not completed in the way He was planning yet. The waters had to be separated from land, animals and birds and fish added, etc etc. No contradiction at all The days of creation week are actually not nonsense at all. The wold and heavens were created. God then did lots of things to make them better and suited to man. It did not all happen instantly. Nothing became anything. God created and then changed and worked on it. Use of words in different situations varies. If we described the early earth before waters were separated from the land, that would seem like total destruction compared with how He changed it. You are looking at it backwards! If God made the planet like it was on day one of creation week, all life would end and continents would not exist etc etc. It would be total destruction. He made it that way before we got here and prepared it for us. So yes it fits like a glove

Every sense. Israel has a majority of people who do not believe in the God of Abraham. Only 2% believe in Jesus as well. Being in unbelief is not keeping any covenant. Now if the, say, 35% (or whatever actual number) of Jewish folks in that nation called Israel wanted to keep a covenant with God, they would not be supporting the cruel ethnic cleansing going on etc etc. Their secular government does support such things. So what do we have there? We have almost no actual believers in the Messiah. We have a secular nation. Yes there are many Jews that practice old testament rituals and soon they will even have their old sacrifices again etc. That is not a good thing, it will be blasphemy. The Lamb of God already came and already was slain for our sins. In other words when the small leftover remnant of Jews finally are saved in the end the time for Gentiles ruling in the promised land will be over. Not until then.

Creation was not development. It was done in stages though. We call that days. Having day one with the world as desolate or without form does not mean it was not round! Nothing in Jer suggests otherwise. Let's be honest, the reason most claim long ages is to try and agree with another religion (science)

Because He gave us the stages and times involved. The stars came several days after the world was made. Strong's From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness. So the earth was empty or desolate etc. That is no excuse to insert billions of made up years. No it was more like a wasteland at first then He added stuff

Actually the stats are known. The majority do not believe in God. Yes God calls it that now And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Rev 11:8 Those born Jewish who receive Jesus in the end and are saved will be Israel. The one today would better be called Sodom The nation ended when they rejected Jesus. They were scattered. The nation will be restored when it receives Jesus in the end. Only then will He give them the land. It is conditional. Israel is people. If we want to call all saved people Israel, then we would specify that it is the children of Abraham and Jacob that will be saved in the end and be called Israel and receive the promised land.

Israel is mostly totally unbelievers. The state today is Israel in name only. The constant insinuations they represent God in their murderous terrorism are what makes it worse. The comparison by some to the old testament, and how God used to lead the nation. Yes a nation there will be invaded and suffer and be surrounded by armies etc. That is not a GOOD role!! Only when most are dead and they finally get saved will that remnant play the good role once again. Right now the trait the bible mentions of Jerusalem is how spiritually it is also called Sodom. I have not seen anyone give bible support that God already restored them and is protecting them etc. That is later. They are there on their own now. They have zero right to land there now. Whatever status the WORLD bestows on a nation doesn't matter. That nation will not survive to inherit that land. A new nation will be formed from saved people there in the end when those alive repent and accept Jesus. Then they will be Israel, then God will destroy their enemies and make the desert bloom, and bring them from all over etc. Not before. I see real Israel people who accepted Jesus as His people. I see Israel again becoming a nation in a day in the end. When they are saved! Becoming His people and He will be (again) their God. The secular unbelieving nation today will be removed by God effectively. Only a remnant will all be saved. All Israel will be saved one day (though most of them will have already died before that)

Not true, as evidenced by the many killed either going to the safe place or while there. Total falsehood. Almost all the infrastructure is destroyed, that says it all. Hospitals attacked and mass arrests and cruel starvation and depriving of basic medical and food and water. How dare anyone try to justify that. What sort of barbaric nonsense is that, condemning billions to death for their religion? The world needs to be freed and only loving them and giving the Jesus will do that. The monstrous genocide and mass murder being carried out is not 'freeing' anyone from Islam!

I agree. None at all. Whatever it was like in the early stage of being created doesn't matter. I am sure formless is fine. None says formless must exist in nature today.

Because man was only on earth since day 6. So if there was some shaking involved in separating the waters from land or whatever before that, it doesn't matter. The point is that the shaking in the end will be the greatest since man existed on earth. That includes the time when the continents separated quickly when there was likely a lot of shaking as well. It includes all the earthquakes in history as well as the ones in the tribulation up to that time. This has zero do do with some imaginary ages before day 6.

Yes it is. The old testament was for believers. Israel today are unsaved and rebels. They may not claim that God is with them.

If you can't separate them, why bomb them all?

They rebel and try to harm the millennial saints, and God ends their rebellion by burning them with fire. We then have a whole new earth and heaven and no more rebellions ever.It doesn't matter if they are able to make some swords or not, it doesn't mention that at all either way. We do know that Jesus rules the world - all kingdoms then, and that some people still will not receive Him even in that perfect environment. So Satan is loosed and helps them make their rebellion complete. Nice imagination. Too bad you do not know how many nations in the millennium actually rebel eh? There is no mention of unwalled villages in Revelation either. You just import that from Eze for no reason. That doesn't mean every nation Jesus rules in the 1000 years will rebel except Israel. Jesus rules from Jerusalem in the 1000 years.

We know the world has lots of kingdoms and that He rules over them all in the 1000 years. God uses the plural as well Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Isa 2 For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Zechariah 14:9 And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His name the only one. And never again will they learn war. There is zero doubt about it. Because they will learn war no more and beat their swords into plowshares. But in speculating I suppose some of the rebels may have somehow made

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. There is no question He will rule all the world. The rebellions is only at the end of that 1000 years. It is also certain that Satan is loosed at the end of the millenium Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Your assertion that this is not in the bible is comical

The rebels come from the four corners of the earth and do attack the area where Jerusalem, the beloved city is. By the time the end of the millennium comes, many have their minds and hearts made up against Jesus. So Satan is let loose to get them to formalize that rebellion in a murderous attempt to kill believers. That does not mean that for almost all of the 1000 years the whole world was not part of His rule. It means that some people rebel.

I was speculating. Whatever they have they use to try and attack the camp of the saints. We will not allow swords or learning war in the 1000 years. It will be enforced. However, at the end of that time, there will be many people unhappy with our rule and who reject Jesus and rebel. So they will not obey a rule that says no swords probably. But swords or no swords is not the point, they will rebel and try to attack the camp of believers in that day. Just as I said. Not sure why you claim I am wrong.

So you say the commentaries are wrong because the use of the word day of the Lord there must refer to that great day of the Lord in the end. Some commentaries said that the phrase was used in times of judgment for Israel. But fine, let's say that the commentaries are wrong and that a new captivity will happen in the tribulation (obviously it could not happen after Jesus returns) Are you saying then that another captivity will happen before Israel accepts Jesus? False. The final kingdom of Satan under the AntiChrist rules the whole world. There will be ten kings involved in the final government under the AntiChrist. I never said or thought any such thing. Gog is not a saint and the rebels led in gog or by Gog are not saints either. They choose Satan. The world will be ruled by Jesus and His children. Not just some territory in the middle east.

They won't have weapons. That is why the battle is not at the end of the millennium as far as I can see. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. His kingdom is not some little kingdom surrounded by other kingdoms!! What did Cain kill Abel with? It doesn't have to be swords. But since the people are in rebellion here trying to attack millennial saints , one assumes they must have beat some plowshares back into swords. However that does not fit the Eze invasion where every one has swords. Also the world will have plenty then. No shortages. The reaper will overtake the sower sort of thing. Probably the rebels are not doing so to take some spoil after the millennium. It is probably more of a rebellion against God and His rules etc.

Jesus destroys all enemies when He returns and then the millennium starts. So there is no one cast anywhere after that in the 1000 years. Looking at a commentary it places your verse in Amos at the captivity " Verse Amos 5:27. Will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus — That is, into Assyria, the way to which, from Judea, was by Damascus. But St. Stephen says, Acts 7:43, beyond Babylon; because the Holy Spirit that was in him chose to extend the meaning of the original text to that great and final captivity of the Jews in general, when Zedekiah, their last king, and the people of Judea, were carried into Mesopotamia, Armenia, and Media; see 2 Kings 17:7; 2 Kings 17:24. This captivity happened after the time of Amos." https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/acc/amos-5.html#verse-26 However if you are correct and there is to be another event in the day of the Lord in the end it would be in the tribulation. The day of the Lord starts with the Rapture and extends until the end of the 1000 years. A chilling thought, that yet another time of captives led from Israel before Jesus returned!

Hab 2:14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD as the waters cover the sea. Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Psalms 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. No sneaky heathens hiding out there somewhere 'outside the kingdom' Psalms 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord : and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. One end to the other. Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord : for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord : for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Regardless of which direction people come from the earth will be His kingdom. The fact some will travel to see Abraham and other bible heros is not surprising at all. So don't accuse others of not understanding when you are proposing the preposterous.

The whole world will be ruled by Jesus and BE His kingdom in the 1000 years. What is this inside and outside the millennial kingdom business?

OK, that is a clear point. Except just because Egypt does not escape military action from the antichrist doesn't mean all of Egypt is destroyed and there is no more Egypt. There is world after the millennium, so no one invades. If you mean the attack on the camp of the saints, the countries involved are not specified. As pointed out commentaries place eze 29 in ancient history. So your attempted connection doesn't cut it. It seems you are trying to place the invasion at the end of the 1000 years rather than near the tribulation. Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. That 'battle' at the end of the millennium has no heathen nations. Neither is God looking at that time to be honored in heathen nations, the whole earth is about to be burned up.