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So how exactly does your beliefs in creation week differ from their story? He also was the One who raised the dead and gave the blind sight, and made the deaf hear, and the totally lame walk suddenly. He also is the One who created the world and all stars and life at creation. He was not hiding behind a tree while the dust formed Adam as some sort of secret agent cheering things on. God can use even wicked nations or people or medical systems. Not sure what that has to do with being clear on whether you believe He really created in six days or not.

No. The creator. Not an agent. We do not need to know anything other than what He told us about the six days of creation. You see, people that claim evolutiondunnit only try to add God in as some agent hiding in the bush that we don't know and who doesn't seem to matter much. The evidence for that is we do not see God in any evolution textbook teaching.

That does not address the main creation event, where the world and stars came to exist. In a similar way, people having babies now does not address the week of creation where the first man was created. Of course He created things to reproduce and etc. Yes there are also new things made since Adam's day. That does not tell us whether one believes in creation week as per Genesis.

Me too. Specifically at creation week. Is this what you mean, rather than accepting the old ages evolution origin of stars that science has peddled?

I see. And how does that random verse tell us clearly whether you believe God actually created the stars? Is it supposed to be conceited to ask you to be honest?

God never made the creation account modern nor subject to interpretation, only subject to believe it, or not. No one needs to guess if Adam thought he was a woman or not. No one needs to interpret whether God actually created or not. No one needs to wonder if the serpent, or dragon,or Satan was there. No one needs to doubt Cain killed his brother. No one needs to doubt that Eve was made from a man's bone by God or not.

Better than unbelief

I'll take that as another purposeful evasion. I like my beliefs, I am not ashamed to admit them. Ha

No. I believe that God created just as His Spirit breathed word says.

Nope. Far as I can tell you don't seem to believe in an actual creation of the stars etc and lean toward the tales of science. Why have you procrastinated several times now in being honest and clear? We wait Perhaps the way you seem so far here is misunderstood by me, so simply be clear.

No. I do not recall any clear position at all on the matter from you. Be clear.

I do not believe it is a false choice to admit whether you believe in the creation spoken about in the bible or not. That would be called honesty.

Again, attempted cleverness rather than any substance or honesty whatsoever. Pretty simple, why not start by telling everyone right now whether or not you believe God actually created the stars and sun and earth rather than the stellar evolution beliefs of science. We wait. Ha

Either you believe God created the stars or not. From what you posted so far, I am not convinced you believe He did, maybe you could be clear.

Actually I have a good idea of why science is wrong on the nature of stars and the universe. But unless we had more than an evasive so called science cheerleader with no substantial case, what is there to discuss? You are welcome to your religion.

I have my own beliefs and you obviously can't defend yours.

Right There was no outer space but a water planet with an upper atmosphere the 2nd day. The earth was completed in creation the 3rd day. Then the universe as in outer space, was created the 4th day.

No. In that very firmament God made all the stars later that week. The stars are not on earth. There were waters both above and below where the stars are.

Using computers does not affect how or what God created. The context is how modern science (and those who hold that religion above God) defines a star and it's origin, distance, age etc etc. Be honest. Nothing wrong with looking at creation. Teaching that it is not 'really' created is another matter. That is the oldest lie of the serpent. Whatever people called anything does not matter any more than what people in so called science call things now. As I pointed out, God knows what stars are and created them. God does. Science does not. Let's see your opinion on the matter.

No it is a dream of so called science. No one knows the distance to stars in reality, nor the sizes nor the ages. Calling stars suns is nothing more than an insult to Jesus the creator. I have no idea how big stars are, and neither do you regardless of whether you think you do or not. False. The earth was created first according to God. The stars were not in existence till later. The ideas of science on the matter are bad religion. Says who? Did God not name some stars for example in Job specifically? (Orion and etc) Did you actually think the creator of heaven and earth did not know what a star was?? God never did that. If some planets were included by men as stars in ancient times, so what? God saw further than that. His home is beyond the stars. Trying to limit God and creation and truth to your invented idea of what ancient people thought is patently ridiculous. Yet the light that was on earth in the first day of creation was right here, and before the creation of the sun.

In comparison to God all stars and the sun and moon are tiny specks in comparison. Of course God being infinitely greater than creation 'lines up with scripture'. So when some people insinuate that a day could not have existed until a sun existed, that is clearly error. Yet no scripture supports that since earth was created before all stars etc. One hopes you did not buy into the so called science tales of where the stars and Milky Way came from! Utter nonsense. That is belief based theory and basically religion. All the ways so called ages of stars are determined by science are faith based and totally bogus and nowhere near reality or true.

Speaking of twisting, here is what I said " How is it that some people wonder how light could exist before the silly little sun existed? (compared to the power of God) " That is impossible to argue with or deny. Not sure what your problem is.

I never neglected it at all, any more than Genesis does. The sun came days later. He is not silly, and when we compare some created light to Him, it obviously pales in comparison.

Compared to God (as I stated) it is less than a silly little speck. Obviously.

You had replied; "No existent!" Just pointing out there was an existence involving deep waters for when the earth did not exist nor the universe before God started creation by creating the first day with that light to govern as there was evening and morning that first day. The universe as we know it with stars and moon and sun etc did not exist. The earth existed. It was not finished or formed in day one. So I think the planet existed, but that it was not land and sea etc yet. The sun and stars did not exist then. Light did exist. So when the Spirit of God moved over the waters, I would assume that primarily (if not exclusively) meant over earth. The still unformed or completed earth with waters etc.