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You have a lot of ignorance to deem yourself having superior knowledge of the Scriptures. Or just arrogant

Yes, Jesus allowed his disciples to participate in John's baptism. What is the problem with that? I could care less. Of course the disciples participated with John in Baptizing people. The concept of baptism changed with the resurrection of Jesus. John's baptism is not in union with Christ. My goodness, Jesus hadn't died yet! A reasonable person would come to this conclusion. John's baptism is not Christian baptism, which I believe you know is true. This is not rocket science. Why? Because Christian baptism is in union with Jesus' death and resurrection which John's baptism didn't contain. This is not rocket science. Hello McFly! I guess you can never see the distinction between John's baptism and Christian baptism. So be it. I am finished with you on this subject matter. END OF DISCUSSION.

Ignorance upon Ignorance upon Ignorance. Early manuscripts of the biblical texts did not contain the chapter and verse divisions in the numbered form familiar to modern readers. Pre-Reformation era Bibles only contained chapter headings but not verse numbering. The first English New Testament to use the verse divisions was a 1557 translation by William Whittingham (c. 1524–1579). The first Bible in English to use both chapters and verses was the Geneva Bible published shortly afterwards in 1560. Is there any person on WCF who knows this besides myself? This is just GENERAL knowledge of Christian history....something you don't have. I wish a generally educated person would converse with me.

Jesus was NOT baptizing before his resurrection. Please the the whole text. See John 3:22-4:3 in context. 4:1 Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— 2 although in fact IT WAS NOT JESUS WHO BAPTIZED. but his disciples.

Both baptisms wise....the last thing I want to do is jump up and down and salivate in the aisles of the church. No thanks.

I didn't address JB talk on baptism and spirit and fire, BECAUSE IT WASN'T MENTIONED IN A POST! It is like me saying you didn't address I Cor 6:11 or Eph 5:26-27 in your post either concerning baptism. You didn't comment on it because it was not apart of the conversation. Some pretty weird stuff going on here.

Jesus' disciples participated in JOHN'S BAPTISMAL PRACTICES. Hello! John's baptism is not Christian baptism as stated above. I am starting to question your comprehension skills. The first Christian baptism started on the day of Pentecost.

There is no text about baptism here. Period. You are so wrong.

Chapter and verse in the NT please?

Nope you are most certainly wrong here. Christian baptism is in union with Christ's death and resurrection (Romans 6). For Christian baptism to be baptism, it had to have been after his resurrection. This is why Jesus institutes it AFTER his resurrection but BEFORE his ascension. John's baptism of Jesus inaugurates his redemptive three year ministry and is unique.

John's baptism is not Christian baptism. Christian baptism contains at least three elements 1)the water, 2) the Triune formula, and 3) another Christian baptizing you. In Acts 19, John's disciples were baptized by him but did not know who the Holy Spirit was. John didn't use the triune formula for it contains the wording of the Holy Spirit. In fact, we don't know if John used any formula during baptism. Paul then orders them to be baptized with Christian baptism. Acts 19 is included in the NT writings in part to answer the question "What about John's disicples?" Did they have a valid baptism? The answer is "no." All of John's disciples had to undergo Christian baptism as instituted by Christ.

Where do you get the idea baptism is a symbol? Chapter and verse please. The Greek word for symbol is symbolia, AND IT IS NOT FOUND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. In otherwords, symbol is NOT A BIBLICAL WORD. This is just word salad. Quit making statements about Scripture you can't back up! Lord open the mind of this person and have them not make things up of Scripture that can't be demonstrated.

This is gibberish. Where is this word "picture" in Scripture? It is nowhere except in your mind. Are you saying all of Christ's work is a PICTURE? Is regeneration a PICTURE? New birth a PICTURE? Creation a PICTURE? Second coming a PICTURE? Nonsense.

Chapter and verse, please. Where does Scripture specifically state baptism is a PICTURE? Typical Baptist speak.