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Diaste, You stated I am wrong about Jesus returning on the last day of the 70th week, the last day of the Antichrist's reign. My question to you is when is the sixth seal opened? I'll answer that, it is opened at the ceremony in Heaven on the last day of Daniel's 70th week. The 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials are all part of a ceremony hours before the Second Coming. John is shown that the effects of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials all take place during the 70th week. Jesus returns on the day the 6th seal is opened, same day as the 7th trumpet sounds, from Heaven's perspective. John is taken to the ceremony when Jesus Christ receives the title deed to the earth. John sees the effects that took place on the earth triggered by the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials. Revelation 7:13 "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. John sees the martyred tribulation saints at the ceremony, before the 7th seal, and before any of the 7 trumpets and 7 vials. If you see the ceremony in Heaven as a continuous ceremony all happening on the last day of the 70th week of Daniel, the day of the Second Coming, there is no problem. The problems arises when you see the ceremony split up, with time in-between, added for the effects to take place in chronological order. The effects are not in chronological order. Satan is cast from Heaven as the effect of the 5th trumpet, which takes place on earth the day of the Mid-Week of the 70th week, the day the Great Tribulation begins. Satan has 1260 days on earth before Jesus Christ's Second Coming, when he is locked up for a thousand years. John saw the martyred tribulation Saints in Heaven before the 7th seal was opened. If the effects of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials were chronological in order this would be a major problem. If you understand the Heavenly ceremony of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials all take place on the day of the Second Coming, the last day of the 70th week everything fits perfectly. Does Jesus return on the day the 6th seal is opened? YES! Does Jesus return on the day the 7th trumpet is sounded? YES! The 3 woe trumpets, the 5th, 6th and 7th effects on earth are separated by earth time. John travels through time to see the effects of what is taking place. He was recording for us what the effects were and their timing from our perspective. All the events of the Book Of Revelation that seem out of sequence make sense when you see the ceremony John was witnessing was taking place on the Day Of the Second Coming.

Verses 6 and 14 are the same event! We are given the detail that Satan was cast to the earth at the Mid-Week of the 70th week. The same day Antichrist receives power to kill the two witnesses and enters the temple committing the abomination of desolation, causing the jews to flee. Daniel 9 :24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (Israel) and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. The Jews and the city of Jerusalem will accomplish all 6 things listed above on the last day of the 70th week. There is no more time after the 70th week is completed. Jerusalem MUST complete everything listed in verse 24 above, by the end of the 70th week when time runs out! Jerusalem will bring in everlasting righteousness on the last day of the 70th week when Jesus Christ returns! How many ways can we say it? 1260 days, or 42 months, or "a time, times, and a half a time". It's all the same thing. If you can't see that your trying to remain blind to it. It apparently doesn't fit your interpretation. Time to change your interpretation. Scripture is very clear. We were told three ways to avoid confusion. If you can't reconcile these facts with your interpretation, your interpretation is wrong! Scripture is more than clear, it's perfect!

I am a Pretribulation Believer. All major prophecy teachers teach that Israel will enter into a 7 year covenant or treaty with the Antichrist and "many". My point is Israel will never enter into a 7 year covenant. The 7 years is God's timing that we have been given as part of the prophecy of Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:24-27). God has revealed to us the time frame. the 7 years will be exactly 2520 days. The first half of the 7 years will be exactly 1260 days. At the Mid Week, the half way point of the 7 years, the two witnesses will be killed by the Antichrist. The two witnesses were unstoppable from the day beginning of the 70th week, when the begin their 1260 days of ministry. Antichrist receives full power on the day of the Mid week. Satan is cast to the earth on the same day. Antichrist begins his 42 month reign by killing the two witnesses and entering into the rebuilt temple Known as the Abomination of Desolation. At the Mid-Week jews will flee to the wilderness for exactly 1260 days. the phase: "a time, times, and a half a time, is saying "a time" (1 year), "times" (2 years), "and a half a time" (half a year). Revelation 13 :5 And there was given unto him (Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." Antichrist was given his power on the day of the Mid Week, and 42 months, the second half of Daniel's 70th week to reign. Revelation 12:6 And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (1260 days)." Israel flees to the wilderness on the day of the Mid-Week, and for 42 months, or 1260 days, or "A time, times, and half a time, they are in the wilderness, protected by God. Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (1260 days), from the face of the serpent. Satan is cast from heaven on the day of the Mid-Week, and for 42 months, or 1260 days, or "A time, times, and half a time, Satan empowers the Antichrist. Jesus Christ returns to earth on the last day of the 70th week of Daniel. Jesus Christ ends the 42 month reign of the Antichrist. After Jesus returns at His Second Coming on the final day of Daniel's 70 weeks, Daniel's 70 weeks will be fulfilled. Israel will: Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. The 6 things listed above in bold will be completed on the Last day of the 70th week when Jesus Christ returns. Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. The events in the above two verses will take place after Jesus returns. 30 days after his return for verse 11, and 75 days after he returns for verse 12. There is the cleansing of the temple, restoration of earth, resurrections of old testament saints, judging of the nations, which will take place after His return.

1260 days after the Mid Week Jesus returns to earth. 30 days later He Cleanses the Temple, 45 days later the nations are finished being judged.

Consider this. The 7 Seals, 7 trumpets, and the 7 vials of wrath all happen in Heaven as a ceremony taking place on the very day of the Second Coming, the last day of Daniel's 70th week. John, who witnessed this ceremony was being shown the EFFECTS of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials and their timing during the 70th week of Daniel on earth. John is seeing visions of the effects. When it says there was silence in Heaven for half an hour, the ceremony went silent for half an hour and resumed. The earthquake of the 6th seal happens when Jesus Christ is descending to the earth at His Second Coming. Look at the verses. Every Island, Every Mountain! Revelation 6:12-17 "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; ; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? If you see the Last Day ceremony for what it is, everything makes perfect sense. Jesus opens the 7 seals, and John travels through time in his vision to see their effects. John was at the ceremony in Heaven on The Lord's Day, the day Jesus returns and takes possession of the earth. The events triggered by the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials are not all in chronological order. The fifth trumpet is when Satan is cast to the earth at the Mid-Week of Daniel's 70th week. On the same day, Antichrist kills the 2 witnesses and commits the Abomination of Desolation causing Jews to flee to the wilderness for the 1260 days remain of the second half of Daniel's 70th week. John did not see a 7 year long ceremony. He saw the gathering of the Ceremony when Jesus took the Title Deed of the earth from the Hand of God, the Father. At the conclusion of the ceremony Jesus Christ decsends to earth with His WIFE, the Raptured Church. Understand the ceremony of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 vials all took place in Heaven hours, before His Second Coming, and everything will fall into place.

Adhoc, Thanks for the welcome and for taking the time to read and respond to my thread. I agree with you that the two witnesses will be Elijah and Enoch, the only two people in the Bible who never died. The Antichrist will claim to be God when he kills the two witnesses and desecrates the Temple. This event, known as the Abomination of Desolation, will cause Jews to flee to the wilderness. Revelation 12:6 "And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Revelation 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." a time (1 year), and times (2 years), and half a time (half a year). There was no temple in Sinai, Israel doesn't need the temple to be rebuilt before beginning the daily sacrifice. They need to gain possession of the temple site on the Temple Mount and purify it with the ashes of the red heifer sacrifice. Once Israel has purified the site they can begin the daily sacrifice while they begin to build the third temple. The are five red heifers in Israel now. "Rabbi Yitzchak Mamo, from yet another Third Temple group, Uvne Jerusalem, told the Christian Broadcasting Network that he has planned a ceremony for Passover 2024 to slaughter the imported (red) heifers, assuming they have not developed any blemishes before then. Mamo said he bought a plot of land overlooking the Temple Mount 12 years ago, specifically in hopes of using it for the slaughter ceremony and beginning preparations for the Third Temple’s construction." Quoted from "Forward" The Antichrist will kill the two witnesses when he is given his 42 months of authority at the Mid Week of the 70th week. He could not claim to be God and compete against the two witnesses during his reign. His reign begins with the act of killing the two witnesses, a victory that will last only 3 1/2 days before they are resurrected before the eyes of the world. I know that you know about this subject. Please understand that when I post I am also writing to people who read these posts. I try to add context for those who are new to the study of Biblical prophecy. I know you know what the Abomination of Desolation is, but others may not so please don't be offended. I'm hoping my posts will be informative for those just beginning the study of prophecy.

There is an awesome detail concerning the two witnesses that I have never heard revealed by anyone before. The two witnesses are killed and their dead bodies are left in the street for 3 1/2 days. Revelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them." The question nobody asks is: Why are we given the detail of the half day? There is a purpose for us to have the detail that they are dead for exactly 3 1/2 days. Allow me to explain. The two witnesses begin their 1260 day ministry on the exact day the 70th week of Daniel begins. They are killed on the very day of the Mid-Week, the half way point of the 70th week. The two witnesses symbolically fulfill the second half of the 70th week laying dead in the street, with each day representing a year. Ezekiel chapter 4 sets the precedent for this symbolic episode. Ezekiel 4:4-6 4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. 5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. Ezekiel was told to perform street theater by laying on his side, with each day representing a year. This interpretation sets the correct timing of the two witnesses ministry. Many people question when their ministry begins and when it ends. Some believe their ministry begins at the Mid-Week of the 70th week, but that is not correct. The 70th week of Daniel begins when the Antichrist confirms THE COVENANT with many for one week. This is not a 7 year peace treaty as many assume. The "week" of 7 years is not based on our modern calendar of 365.25 days a year, but is based on the ancient calendar of 360 days a year. We are given God's time table, not mans. God has showed us His Time Table for Israel. The Antichrist does not broker a 7 year peace treaty. Israel is not interested in a 7 year proposal of peace, especially now. Israel seeks a lasting peace, with an end to the conflict once and for all. At the end of the 6 day war in 1967, Israel had 7 years of cease fire only to be attacked again on Yom Kippur in 1973. 7 Years of peace means nothing to Israel, especially after the horrors of October 7th and the war they are fighting as I write this. THE COVENANT will not have a 7 year time frame. The covenant is not a new peace treaty but an acknowledgment of The Covenant Between God And Israel. The confirming of The Covenant will be recognizing Israel's right to exist and their right to occupy the land of God's Covenant With Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Israel will be enticed with the promise of lasting peace. God has shown us how it will play out and His Timing, not mans. Daniel 9:27 "And he (Antichrist) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Antichrist will acknowledge Israel's right to exist with many, making Israel believe they have finally achieved a final lasting peace. 1260 days later, the Antichrist will end his support of The Covenant and receive 42 months of unrestrained power. The two witnesses begin their 1260 day ministry on the very day The Covenant is confirmed. For 3 1/2 years or 1260 days the two witnesses are protected by God. At the end of their 1260 day ministry, the Antichrist will be empowered at the Mid-Week and will kill them. The Jews will see the Antichrist stop the daily sacrifice and will understand that they are witnessing the abomination of desolation foretold by the prophet Daniel. The world will see the two witnesses are overcome and killed by the Antichrist, something nobody else was able to do. The worst percussion the world will ever witness, the Great Tribulation will begin at the Mid-Week when the two witnesses are killed. The two witnesses resurrections will be a sign of hope to the world. By symbolically fulfilling the 70th week and rising from the dead, they will give people the courage to resist the mark of the beast, at the cost of their lives. They will surrender their lives knowing that at the end of the 70th week, they too will be resurrected. To my knowledge, this has never been revealed before. I've read countless commentaries and nobody notices the importance of the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses are refused burial. They are a sign to the world when people will need the courage to resist worshipping the Antichrist, his image, and receiving his mark. The experts don't know everything! They don't have answers to questions they've never asked. I got curious for why we were given the detail of 3 1/2 days for the two witnesses. I prayed for an answer and instantly I came up with this. I looked for confirmation and Ezekiel 4 gave me the precedent. I have tried to share this with many popular prophecy teachers but can't get in touch with any of them. This would make a new chapter in their next books if only I could contact them. I know that my interpretation of The Covenant Antichrist confirms is controversial, most teachers believe it will be a 7 year treaty. Bibi Netanyahu will never sign a 7 year peace treaty! He has been warned by numerous people to never accept a 7 year proposal. A lasting peace is the only deal Israel will be willing to accept now, and that is what will be offered. God showed us his time-table for Israel. Jesus Christ will return to the earth at the conclusion of the 70th week of Daniel. Exactly 1260 days after Antichrist kills the two witnesses. The Rapture of the church must take place before the Covenant is confirmed. The Rapture is more than likely the event that will be the catalyst for Israel to consider peace. The promise to be able to rebuild their temple, and their right to the land and to exist, will be to strong to resist.