Triton57

Would you say this chart accurately represents your position on the 1260, 1290, and 1335 days?

I used to hold the revived Rome theory and I can understand that perspective a bit. I agree about the serving one master, I think that's what the hour of temptation is all about during the reign of the antichrist. I don't agree that the whole world won't be in on worshiping him and giving him their power. Revelation 17:1-6 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. The whore riding the beast is Jerusalem on which all the blood of the saints is found. The kings of the earth and its inhabitants have committed fornication with her. Looking through the history of Israel's relationship with God, it was always when they would go after other gods that they were adulterous and whores. This correlation fits with the end time when this false god will demand worship and kill those who do not. And all the earth is made drunk with the wind of her fornication. They are worshipping the beast. Moreover, she is drunk on the blood of the saints and martyrs of Yeshua. This symbology of the winepress of the wrath of God and Yeshua's blood-stained garments can likewise be seen in this depiction where the fierceness of the winepress of the wrath of the dragon has produced the wine, or blood, on which the woman is drunk. Furthermore it is from this golden cup she drinks and the inhabitants of the earth are also drunk on. I think this symbology is revealing an extremely dark time where much of the earth is either complicit or actively participating in the killing of the saints for the sake of the god they chose to worship.

Where does scripture say the time of Jacob's trouble last for 42 months? Jeremiah 30:4-7, Daniel 12:1, Matthew 24:15-22, and Mark 13:14-20 all speak of that same time of which Israel is saved out of. The abomination of desolation starts the 42 month reign of the antichrist and Israel is protected for 42 months from the dragon in the wilderness. Therefore, her protection must be after the antichrist is revealed and they can't exactly overlap because clearly Yeshua warns those in Judea of this unparalleled time and to run. And those written in the book are saved out of that time. Revelation 12:13-17 Phase 1 begins (abomination of desolation, them in Judea): And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child]. Matthew 24:15-16 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Phase 1 ends (Woman protected): And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. Phase 2 begins (Globally): And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Phase 2 ends (Christ return in glory): Revelation 19:20 - And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. So there is a 42 month reign of a dragon and his beast. It begins when the dragon is cast to earth and gives the beast his power and great authority. Revelation 13:5 He then immediately goes after those in Judea (Jacob's trouble), but the woman is taken on wings of a great eagle to be protected. Then the dragon turns his wrath on those not protected globally. I think "Jacob's trouble" is that phase 1 of the great tribulation and 42 month reign of the antichrist. It is cut short for those in Judea when they are whisked away and protected in the wilderness for the remainder of the 42 months. I think this is clarified with Daniel 12:11, which says from the abomination of desolation is 1,290 days, so the time of Jacob's trouble would be around 30 days in length and both the time of the dragon given power and Israel's protection from the dragon would fit in the 1,290 days. I'm not sure where you get that timing. What does the second trumpet judgment have to do with the revealing of the antichrist?

I don't view the seals as judgments, they are precursors to opening the scroll to read the judgments. I agree it is prophetic and perhaps the opening of the seals is symbolic, but each one reveals real events that will happen and it tells of literal signs in the heavens that will follow the beginning of the dragon's persecution of Jews and Christians who refuse to worship him. It also heralds and comes before the day of the Lord and the wrath that follows as you mention in Joel 2:31.

RE: Daniel 9:24-27 Examined, Part 6: Do Verses 26b-27 Prophesy Future Events? If I take the Word of God seriously, then I know a temple is required for the man of sin to declare himself god in. The abomination of desolation, as defined by Daniel's vision of Antiochus IV to which Yeshua points, requires a temple within which to place an idol and make it desolate. Whether that is one carved with stone or a man demanding worship. It is also implied if there are daily sacrifices happening in the context of Israel and Jerusalem, that some sort of temple or tabernacle is in place. Daniel 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Revelation 11:1-2 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months. Matthew 24:15, 29-31 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) ... Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. So we see a temple that is measured, therefore physical in nature while also tied to a 42 month period of time. It is tied to the abomination of desolation and the stopping of the daily sacrifice, which is pivotal in defining the start of the 42 month reign of the antichrist according to scripture, and comes before the return of Christ to gather His elect to Himself. Now one can symbolize this away as many have. For some, only the Jews rebuilding the temple will convince them, and for some not even that I suppose. We will have to wait and see. I will adjust as needed. Regarding the destruction of Jerusalem, given that is the seat of the man of sin during his 42 month reign, it is not destroyed until the end of the week and the end of God's wrath. The destruction in verse 26b is referring to 70 AD however. Revelation 17:2, 4b, 6 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. ... having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: ... And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Revelation 18:2-3 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. We’ve seen how this whore was arrayed, the world commits fornication with her, and that fornication is tied to dragon’s wrath and the blood of the saints. The final piece that defines this woman riding the beast comes in her definition as that great city that rules over the kings of the earth, the center of power of the kingdom of the dragon and his man of sin and false prophet. Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Revelation 11:7-8 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Luke 13:33-34 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not! This woman is identified with a great city and nicknamed mystery Babylon, but John also calls this great city spiritually Sodom, Egypt, and where Yeshua was crucified. It is Jerusalem that kills all the prophets and stones those who are sent to her and Yeshua made a point of returning there to fulfill God’s plan of redemption from Jerusalem so that it would be in Jerusalem that His blood was spilled for all mankind. Therefore, mystery Babylon is none other than Jerusalem. Revelation 17 and 18 are all about the judgment of the great whore that sits upon many waters. As we will see we get a lot of great insight about the kingdom of the antichrist from these chapters as well, but the focus is on the judgment of Jerusalem and her inhabitants. At the time her judgment comes, almost 3½ years after the abomination of desolation, it’s hard to believe anyone not part of the beast’s kingdom would remain there, but a warning is given before the destruction. Revelation 16:17-21 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. Revelation 18:4-8 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Revelation 17:12-13, 16-17 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. ... And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. So Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, which Daniel 9:26 conveys, and it will be destroyed in the wrath of God and by the 10 kings, razing it so Yeshua can build it up in His return to rule for the Messianic Kingdom for 1,000 years. I agree that 'Daniel 9:24-27 makes no mention at all of “end times,” “latter days,”' Examining the whole council of God, I don't require it to in order to see it is meant for the end. I do think that it's possible some of the elements of verse 24 in context of Israel and Jerusalem are yet future such as finishing the transgression, since Israel is still blinded and not right with God, but He will bring her back to Him, those written in the book. I would say sealing up vision and prophecy could be taken several ways. I don't think any new prophecy is required, but that which is already given is not yet fulfilled and will be when Christ takes the kingdoms and reigns on earth. If you will not take the whole council of God into account then you will miss out on a lot IMO. Take the next verse following 11:45, ignoring the chapter breaks that did not exist originally. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Matthew 24:15-22 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Mark 13:14-20 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter [therein], to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For [in] those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. Jeremiah 30:4-7 And these [are] the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. Now we have the time just after the lack of mention of a temple in the next chapter, which was not separated by chapters originally, the declaration of the unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble that he will be saved out of. Now if there is a time that is unparalleled in all of history and three different places lay claim to it, they are speaking of the same time. Please note the Olivet discourse related to the future abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet in Daniel 8:9-14 and Daniel 11:31 historically and Daniel 12:11 and Daniel 9:27. Yeshua gave us a foreshadowed fulfillment to understand what the abomination of desolation is and a future one that will be fulfilled by the man of sin just before Christ returns to gather His bride and begin His wrath on the earth. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Assuming the day of Christ and our gathering to Him has not already come, it is implied when taking the scripture seriously that the revealing of the man of sin will include what Paul considered the temple of God. I'm not sure what passage you mean, 26b you have "“…and people of a leader/commander, the one coming in, he shall cause to destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end shall be with a flood of attackers…" If you mean destruction in the middle of the 7 years, I agree. The temple will be the center of the beast's reign. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Assuming the day of Christ and our gathering to Him has not already come, it is implied when taking the scripture seriously that the revealing of the man of sin will include what Paul considered the temple of God. The only mention of a 7-year covenant is in Daniel 9:27, agreed. This does not preclude it from occurring in the future. There is some mention of an abomination of desolation and 1,260 day, 42 month, 3 1/2 year period, which is 1/2 of seven years. I would agree that these periods that will happen in the future when the dragon and his proxy beast will be given power over the saints only covers one half the time required to be considered a 7-year period. But the other points from scripture are what lead me to place this 7-year period at the end, not some other mention of it tied to the end times. It's the events it speaks of that are clearly referenced elsewhere, many times in Daniel's writings themselves. How so? The same can be said for several other verses, which we knew Antiochus IV forbade all the sacrifice and oblation. Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified [himself] even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily [sacrifice] was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. The daily was the continual sacrifice to be offered evening and morning according to the Law of Moses. Exodus 29:38 Now this [is that] which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually (H8548 - Daily). 39 The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even: And with the one lamb a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil; and the fourth part of an hin of wine [for] a drink offering. And the other lamb thou shalt offer at even, and shalt do thereto according to the meat offering of the morning, and according to the drink offering thereof, for a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the LORD. [This shall be] a continual burnt offering throughout your generations [at] the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD: where I will meet you, to speak there unto thee. And there I will meet with the children of Israel, and [the tabernacle] shall be sanctified by my glory. In the context of this same chapter, Daniel states his vision began about the time of the evening oblation. Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I [was] speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.[H4503] I would say the context from scripture and history is pretty clear that when the "daily" is stopped, it is in references to the sacrifice and oblation that was part of perpetual statutes God gave Israel in the Mosaic Covenant to perform. Regardless, in the larger context of the reason behind the daily sacrifice, it is not the stopping of the daily Yeshua told us to look for, it's the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel in regards to the future revealing of the man of sin. That is in Daniel 9:27 as well. However, it is typically paired with the stopping of the daily sacrifice that was dictated in Exodus 29:38, probably because it would be the most constant aspect of Jewish worship of God that is trying to be stopped. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Does one need more than these? Perhaps the wing is more literal than a building on the edges of the temple? "And upon/over a wing/corner shall be abominations/idols of a destroyer" Note Exodus 25:17-22 And thou shalt make a mercy seat [of] pure gold: two cubits and a half [shall be] the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims [of] gold, [of] beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: [even] of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. And the cherubims shall stretch forth [their] wings(H3671) on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings(H3671), and their faces [shall look] one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which [are] upon the ark of the testimony, of all [things] which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel. The wings stretched over the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant, which was the seat of God in His temple. The abomination that makes desolate could therefore be the setting up of an idol to be worshiped in place of God in His house amongst His people. Historically that idol might be some carving of another god, or later a man declaring himself to be god demanding worship. He will destroy God's people, whether through deception to worship him over their God, or by death for refusing to worship him over their God. Verse 26b, IMO, is referring to 70 AD and the destruction of Jerusalem, the temple, and eventually all those who stood up against Rome until they were utterly defeated by Rome. The commander is not overcome, although I think he is killed and resurrected as depicted in Revelation 13. Indeed he is given power over the saints for 42 months starting at Daniel 12:1 just after he came to his end in Daniel 11:45. His ultimate end is when Yeshua returns to take the kingdoms at the end of His wrath in Revelation 19:20. RE: Daniel 9:24-27 Examined, Part 7: Were Verses 26b-27 Fulfilled Historically? Let's say the 70th week was fulfilled in 73 AD. This doesn't negate the future abomination of desolation and rule of the man of sin for 42 months that is intricately tied with the rest of prophetic scripture regarding this time of great tribulation, escape for the bride, protection for Israel, wrath of God on the earth and the return of Christ to rule for 1,000 years. Perhaps this is the fulfillment, perhaps it's another foreshadow. As I'm thinking about the rest of scripture and its prophecies, I'm realizing the 70th week is minimally important in reality. The framework of exact day prophecies still stands if not tied to a 70th week because the prophecies are still there. The first half is really somewhat silent anyway aside from the confirming a covenant with many for one week. It's clear the Romans desolated Jerusalem and the temple and I have no doubt they placed idols all over the place. I suppose you haven't changed my mind and I suppose if the temple is rebuilt before the man of sin declares himself god in it we'll know for sure. I suppose this highlights the danger of not seeing the forest for the bark on one of the trees when focused in so close on one chapter/verse. Your study on what happened in the Roman destruction is interesting and I'll continue to ponder it.

Verse 26b, IMO, is referring to 70 AD and the destruction of Jerusalem, the temple, and eventually all those who stood up against Rome until they were utterly defeated by Rome. The commander is not overcome, although I think he is killed and resurrected as depicted in Revelation 13. Indeed he is given power over the saints for 42 months starting at Daniel 12:1 just after he came to his end in Daniel 11:45. His ultimate end is when Yeshua returns to take the kingdoms at the end of His wrath in Revelation 19:20.

Does one need more than these? Perhaps the wing is more literal than a building on the edges of the temple? "And upon/over a wing/corner shall be abominations/idols of a destroyer" Note Exodus 25:17-22 And thou shalt make a mercy seat [of] pure gold: two cubits and a half [shall be] the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims [of] gold, [of] beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: [even] of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. And the cherubims shall stretch forth [their] wings(H3671) on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings(H3671), and their faces [shall look] one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which [are] upon the ark of the testimony, of all [things] which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel. The wings stretched over the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant, which was the seat of God in His temple. The abomination that makes desolate could therefore be the setting up of an idol to be worshiped in place of God in His house amongst His people. Historically that idol might be some carving of another god, or later a man declaring himself to be god demanding worship. He will destroy God's people, whether through deception to worship him over their God, or by death for refusing to worship him over their God.

How so? The same can be said for several other verses, which we knew Antiochus IV forbade all the sacrifice and oblation. Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified [himself] even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily [sacrifice] was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. The daily was the continual sacrifice to be offered evening and morning according to the Law of Moses. Exodus 29:38 Now this [is that] which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually (H8548 - Daily). 39 The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even: And with the one lamb a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil; and the fourth part of an hin of wine [for] a drink offering. And the other lamb thou shalt offer at even, and shalt do thereto according to the meat offering of the morning, and according to the drink offering thereof, for a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the LORD. [This shall be] a continual burnt offering throughout your generations [at] the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD: where I will meet you, to speak there unto thee. And there I will meet with the children of Israel, and [the tabernacle] shall be sanctified by my glory. In the context of this same chapter, Daniel states his vision began about the time of the evening oblation. Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I [was] speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.[H4503] I would say the context from scripture and history is pretty clear that when the "daily" is stopped, it is in references to the sacrifice and oblation that was part of perpetual statutes God gave Israel in the Mosaic Covenant to perform. Regardless, in the larger context of the reason behind the daily sacrifice, it is not the stopping of the daily Yeshua told us to look for, it's the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel in regards to the future revealing of the man of sin. That is in Daniel 9:27 as well. However, it is typically paired with the stopping of the daily sacrifice that was dictated in Exodus 29:38, probably because it would be the most constant aspect of Jewish worship of God that is trying to be stopped. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

The only mention of a 7-year covenant is in Daniel 9:27, agreed. This does not preclude it from occurring in the future. There is some mention of an abomination of desolation and 1,260 day, 42 month, 3 1/2 year period, which is 1/2 of seven years. I would agree that these periods that will happen in the future when the dragon and his proxy beast will be given power over the saints only covers one half the time required to be considered a 7-year period. But the other points from scripture are what lead me to place this 7-year period at the end, not some other mention of it tied to the end times. It's the events it speaks of that are clearly referenced elsewhere, many times in Daniel's writings themselves.

I'm not sure what passage you mean, 26b you have "“…and people of a leader/commander, the one coming in, he shall cause to destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end shall be with a flood of attackers…" If you mean destruction in the middle of the 7 years, I agree. The temple will be the center of the beast's reign. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Assuming the day of Christ and our gathering to Him has not already come, it is implied when taking the scripture seriously that the revealing of the man of sin will include what Paul considered the temple of God.

If you will not take the whole council of God into account then you will miss out on a lot IMO. Take the next verse following 11:45, ignoring the chapter breaks that did not exist originally. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Matthew 24:15-22 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Mark 13:14-20 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter [therein], to take any thing out of his house: And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For [in] those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. Jeremiah 30:4-7 And these [are] the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. Now we have the time just after the lack of mention of a temple in the next chapter, which was not separated by chapters originally, the declaration of the unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble that he will be saved out of. Now if there is a time that is unparalleled in all of history and three different places lay claim to it, they are speaking of the same time. Please note the Olivet discourse related to the future abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet in Daniel 8:9-14 and Daniel 11:31 historically and Daniel 12:11 and Daniel 9:27. Yeshua gave us a foreshadowed fulfillment to understand what the abomination of desolation is and a future one that will be fulfilled by the man of sin just before Christ returns to gather His bride and begin His wrath on the earth. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Assuming the day of Christ and our gathering to Him has not already come, it is implied when taking the scripture seriously that the revealing of the man of sin will include what Paul considered the temple of God.

If I take the Word of God seriously, then I know a temple is required for the man of sin to declare himself god in. The abomination of desolation, as defined by Daniel's vision of Antiochus IV to which Yeshua points, requires a temple within which to place an idol and make it desolate. Whether that is one carved with stone or a man demanding worship. It is also implied if there are daily sacrifices happening in the context of Israel and Jerusalem, that some sort of temple or tabernacle is in place. Daniel 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Revelation 11:1-2 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months. Matthew 24:15, 29-31 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) ... Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. So we see a temple that is measured, therefore physical in nature while also tied to a 42 month period of time. It is tied to the abomination of desolation and the stopping of the daily sacrifice, which is pivotal in defining the start of the 42 month reign of the antichrist according to scripture, and comes before the return of Christ to gather His elect to Himself. Now one can symbolize this away as many have. For some, only the Jews rebuilding the temple will convince them, and for some not even that I suppose. We will have to wait and see. I will adjust as needed. Regarding the destruction of Jerusalem, given that is the seat of the man of sin during his 42 month reign, it is not destroyed until the end of the week and the end of God's wrath. The destruction in verse 26b is referring to 70 AD however. Revelation 17:2, 4b, 6 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. ... having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: ... And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Revelation 18:2-3 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. We’ve seen how this whore was arrayed, the world commits fornication with her, and that fornication is tied to dragon’s wrath and the blood of the saints. The final piece that defines this woman riding the beast comes in her definition as that great city that rules over the kings of the earth, the center of power of the kingdom of the dragon and his man of sin and false prophet. Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Revelation 11:7-8 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Luke 13:33-34 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not! This woman is identified with a great city and nicknamed mystery Babylon, but John also calls this great city spiritually Sodom, Egypt, and where Yeshua was crucified. It is Jerusalem that kills all the prophets and stones those who are sent to her and Yeshua made a point of returning there to fulfill God’s plan of redemption from Jerusalem so that it would be in Jerusalem that His blood was spilled for all mankind. Therefore, mystery Babylon is none other than Jerusalem. Revelation 17 and 18 are all about the judgment of the great whore that sits upon many waters. As we will see we get a lot of great insight about the kingdom of the antichrist from these chapters as well, but the focus is on the judgment of Jerusalem and her inhabitants. At the time her judgment comes, almost 3½ years after the abomination of desolation, it’s hard to believe anyone not part of the beast’s kingdom would remain there, but a warning is given before the destruction. Revelation 16:17-21 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. Revelation 18:4-8 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Revelation 17:12-13, 16-17 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. ... And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. So Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, which Daniel 9:26 conveys, and it will be destroyed in the wrath of God and by the 10 kings, razing it so Yeshua can build it up in His return to rule for the Messianic Kingdom for 1,000 years. I agree that 'Daniel 9:24-27 makes no mention at all of “end times,” “latter days,”' Examining the whole council of God, I don't require it to in order to see it is meant for the end. I do think that it's possible some of the elements of verse 24 in context of Israel and Jerusalem are yet future such as finishing the transgression, since Israel is still blinded and not right with God, but He will bring her back to Him, those written in the book. I would say sealing up vision and prophecy could be taken several ways. I don't think any new prophecy is required, but that which is already given is not yet fulfilled and will be when Christ takes the kingdoms and reigns on earth.

I believe similarly that Matthew 24:4-14 is all before the end, which happens around the time after the abomination of desolation on the day of the Lord. We see similar jump back in time in Luke's account of the Olivet discourse where in Luke 21:10-11 He talks about great earthquakes, famine, pestilences and fearful signs and great signs from heaven. Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. Yeshua jumps back in time and proceeds to describe being betrayed by parents, friends, etc. However, it's not the abomination of desolation He warns about, but rather Jerusalem surrounded by armies and her desolation nigh. The same warning to flee Jerusalem is given, but in a very different way from Matthew and Mark. These are the days of vengeance and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all nations, Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. This is a depiction of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Clearly what's been consolidated into the scripture the Holy Spirit gave us included the warning given to those alive in 70 AD. It was a few days before Passover when the Roman armies began surrounding Jerusalem and Israel was gathered there for the feast days, in which are several Sabbath and high holy days. Indeed Israel was disbursed into the nations and Jerusalem was trodden down by the Gentiles until Israel became a nation and won the wars that led to sovereignty over most of Jerusalem. If my understanding is right, we may see Israel exert full control come what may as she stands resolute against the enemies around her trying to snuff her out. They will fail. We are then brought back to the future and the signs of the sixth seal, that are said to come after the unparalleled tribulation of Matthew 24:15-22, Mark 13:14-20, Jeremiah 30:4-7, and Daniel 12:1. So yes I agree that much of Matthew's account was for before, but is also there for us to understand, an already but not yet scenario. Luke's account is clearly pointing back to 70 AD and then jumping back to the future. The concept of false Christ's is definitely one of those pieces relevant to us in the future as those looking on earth for a redeemer may fall under the deception that is coming. The generic mentions of nation against nation and rumors of wars is too generic to lock down to one time. Even the being afflicted for Christ's namesake happens right now around the world where millions of Christians are murdered for their faith, something the Western world tends to forget. I would say the love of many is growing colder. If love is selfless then the opposite is selfishness and that is certainly growing with this everyone for themselves mob mentality. Hatred for others has always been a problem and gauging it growing can be subjective for sure. That the Gospel will be preached to the world and then the end will come is the unknowable end of this period, the variance of which is also subjective. I would posit that it has been delivered to the world, or at least is extremely close with today's technology and global reach. I do not see how that means the church will be taken before the 70th week though, since the Olivet discourse and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 agree that the abomination of desolation where the man of sin declares himself god in the temple and stops the daily sacrifice will come before the signs of the sixth seal, the appearing of the Son of man on the day of the Lord/Christ, and our gathering to Him before God's wrath is poured out on the children of disobedience. It is the abomination of desolation that immediately follows the Gospel being preached to the world signifying the end. Therefore would not the end then be defined as the next event mentioned, the revealing of the man of sin? I think it's important to remember that Daniel 9:27 places the abomination of desolation in the midst of the week. One final point on the focus of false Christs only being for the disciples historically, what do you make of Yeshua's warning following His warning of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet? This seems to me to be relevant for the future end time as well. Matthew 24:23-27 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. I think the great deception that is coming will be tied to the antichrist attempting to deceive the world that he is the Messiah the Jews have been waiting for. Because of this I think it is dangerous to relegate false Christs only to history, lest any who don't know the scriptures and from whence Christ will come are deceived. The anti in antichrist can mean "opposite to" or "in place of." So let me lay out a possible scenario. The antichrist would initially come in with flattery to the Jews as a conquering hero protecting Israel and defeating her enemies. Many Jews would whisper of Messiah as he appeared to fulfill some prophecies, including restoring the temple and daily sacrifice, a confirming of the Mosaic Covenant. Perhaps even some archaeological discovery would spur the Jews to return to the God of their fathers. Ultimately though, the dragon's control of Israel's enemies will have played its role and he will enter the temple and stop the daily sacrifice, declaring himself to be god. I think many Jews before this time will truly be seeking a return to God the only way they know how, being blinded, the Mosaic Covenant. This blasphemy of the antichrist declaring himself god in the temple, setting himself up as an idol to be worshiped may be the cause of him being wounded to death when a zealous priest carries out the penalty for blasphemy of this sort and kills him. This may be where God sends a strong delusion that they believe he is god by using the false prophet, perhaps a false Elijah who is expected by the Jews to come before the Messiah and has resurrected from the dead before. He resurrects the beast at which time the dragon has been cast out of heaven and his wrath is great for Israel that rejects him. Even Jews, who have turned from God and worship the antichrist, will become the instrument of their fellow Jews destruction at the command of the dragon through his proxy beast. I think once the dragon has deceived someone, he doesn't want them dead, they are his instrument and he probably enjoys all the more that they are murdering their own people because of his deception. To this time the focus is on Judea, but those of Israel who have heeded the warning and run for the mountains will be taken to the wilderness and protected from the dragon for the remainder of his reign. As his reign is 42 months and Israel is protected for 42 months, this initial time in Judea is very short. I believe Daniel 12:11, placing the abomination of desolation at the beginning of a 1,290 day period indicates a maximum time for the time of Jacob's trouble from which they will be saved out of to the wilderness as 30 days. It is at this time the sign of the Son of man comes in the clouds with great power and glory and the dead in Christ are raised incorruptible and wise virgins are changed and both are caught up together to meet the Lord at His appearing. The winds of the destruction of the wrath of God are held back until the 144,000 are sealed in the wilderness, the only ones explicitly protected from the demon scorpions of the fifth trumpet. There is silence in heaven for 1/2 hour and the wrath of God is then poured out on all those that dwell on the earth. In this scenario, we see a false Christ in the end that has great power, is even resurrected from the dead. Now most Christians I hope will know enough to not believe this is Yeshua's return, but it's hard to say because there are some deceived that might fall for it who don't rightly divide the Word of Truth. I see many warnings to guard against deception in the end and the scenario above fits with scripture as I understand it so it's at least a possibility, while may not be 100% accurate. I just think we need to not dismiss warnings of false Christs even though the warnings were historical as well.

I agree once the catching away happens those remaining will be going through the wrath of the dragon, the hour of temptation, and the wrath of God. I don't see anywhere in scripture that says God doesn't deal with Israel and the church at the same time. In fact, I see the opposite. Yes the 70th week is determined for Israel and Jerusalem, but that does not mean it's the only time God is dealing with His people. For instance, I would posit that Israel has been re-gathered from among the nations into the land. Who has taken responsibility for bringing Israel back into the land throughout scripture? Micah 2:12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of [the multitude of] men. Zephaniah 3:17-20 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee [is] mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. I will gather [them that are] sorrowful for the solemn assembly, [who] are of thee, [to whom] the reproach of it [was] a burden. Behold, at that time I will undo all that afflict thee: and I will save her that halteth, and gather her that was driven out; and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame. At that time will I bring you [again], even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD. Isaiah 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather [others] to him, beside those that are gathered unto him. Ezekiel 36:22-24 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Ezekiel 39:25-29 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name; After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made [them] afraid. When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; Then shall they know that I [am] the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD. Historically God is the one who gathered Israel, usually when she repented. However, it would seem the latest regathering was for the Lord's holy name's sake to the fulfillment of His will in the words given to His servants the prophets. Since Israel has been regathered and the nation reborn in a day, all before the 70th week began, it would seem that God's hand is still upon Israel in her blindness, even outside of the 70th week. I think this makes sense because the 70th week is part of God's revealing of His plan to Daniel regarding the "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city." Because this is determined for both the people and Jerusalem, Israel must once again be in the land and Jerusalem for the 70th week to commence. Therefore God must bring Israel back to the land before the 70th week, which means God does deal with Israel and the church at the same time. Our God is a multitasker! I think it is a requirement for pre-trib to force God's dealing with the church and Israel at a distinctly separate time as it allows a line in the sand at the start of the 70th week before which the church MUST leave in order to fulfill this perceived segregation of duties God will perform with His church and His people Israel. Yes Israel is blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles, and that blindness will be lifted when Christ comes in glory and gathers the wise virgins (church) to Him and protects Israel in the wilderness who will be provoked to jealousy. And at which time the Lord will speak comfortably to her in the wilderness and she will once again call Him Lord and He will call her His people. Hosea 2:14-23

I almost agree, I just want to point out in the parable that all we are told is that the foolish virgins are shut out of the marriage when the bridegroom comes. Therefore presupposed notions on when Yeshua will return are placed onto that parable. If you're presupposed to pre-trib, then they go through the 70th week, typically called the 7-year tribulation. If you're presupposed to pre-wrath, then they go through the hour of temptation during the time of great tribulation that starts in the midst of the 70th week. I would agree with the general idea, I just try and define the terms and events separate from sequence to aid in placing them in the most clear order. For instance, the Noah and Lot connection are references not to the confirming of a covenant for one week, but to the wrath of God on the children of disobedience. Therefore the destruction of the global flood and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and the whole earth by fire in the end are tied to the wrath of God, not the wrath of the dragon, Satan. This doesn't last for 7 years because as Yeshua points out in the Olivet discourse, the unparalleled time of great tribulation tied to the abomination spoken of by Daniel the prophet (Matthew 24:15-22) takes place before the signs of the sixth seal that heralds the coming of Yeshua and our gathering to Him. (Matthew 24:39-31) Just like Yeshua treads the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, we see the harlot woman representing Jerusalem who goes after other gods, with a golden cup full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication (going after other gods, in this case the man of sin). In that cup is the blood of the martyrs on which she is drunk and which the nations also drank. Revelation 17:1-6 The symbology of the grapes being crushed in the winepress to produce the wine is similar in both cases. Yeshua treads the winepress and is covered in blood, the harlot and the kings of the earth are drunk on the blood of the martrys, whose blood comes from the winepress of the wrath of the dragon. We are not promised escape from the dragon, indeed we are promised tribulation. We are promised escape from the wrath of God. That wrath comes when Christ does at the day of the Lord, signified by the signs of the sixth seal after the abomination of desolation in the midst of the 70th week.