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  1. WilliamL

    Matt 24/Rev 13 Timing?

    Simple answer: Matthew 24 speaks of events pre-Rapture up to and including Rapture. The Noah's flood typology Jesus used was pre-flood up to flood. Rev. 13 speaks of events post-Rapture.
  2. Uh, from Trump Tower?? Sorry, couldn't help myself. I'll go away now.
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    The Faithful and Sensible Slave

    Great topic and discussion. Would like to add one verse that has so far been overlooked, however. Rev. 12:6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. -- which ties into these: Luke 21:36 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Dan. 12:1 “At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation [= the Great Trib.], Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered..." When Moses went to deliver Israel out of Egypt, he brought them back to the very same place he had been shepherding sheep, the wilderness of Sinai in Arabia. Even so, there are places being prepared now in the wilderness by those called out by the Lord for this very purpose.
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    The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days

    Since I wrote the first post, my understanding came to be changed, due to the working out of the literal translation of Daniel 12:11. Explained in my posts of Oct. 16 and 29. Also my latter two blogs on the 1290 and 1260 days. In short, Daniel 12:11 actually tells us that the 1290 days are the period up to the Abomination of Desolation. The next 45 days, up to 1335, include the Great Trib. The 1260 days then follow after the GT, being the time of the Little Horn and the "wearing out of the [earthly] saints," Dan. 7:25; 12:11. The elect of Christ will be harpazoed "after the [great] tribulation" (Matt. 24:29-310, before the Little Horn does his dirty work.
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    The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days

    I agree it's not the king of the north. It's another king. Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him [the King of the South] like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, ... 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, ... etc. The antecedent to all of the hes and hims is the king of the north. Not other possible antecedent is mentioned. This is the Latter Day human ruler dominated by the same spiritual King of the North that possessed the whole line of Seleucid kings, including Antiochus Ephiphanes [beginning in 11:21], who set up the original abomination of desolation in Jerusalem, 11:31. This same spiritual sar shall be the impetus behind the Latter Day abomination of desolation of 12:11. The King of the South gets whupped again [11:41-42], "as the former" time, 11:29, 25, so no chance that the hes and hims are him. So to speak.
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    Those Days Will Be Shortened

    I'll pick on this particular statement, but it is only one of many such by others. In order to presume such a 70th week in the End Times, one must prove the belief by multiple biblical witnesses. That has never been done that I have seen, and I've been in this study since 1973. Basing one's End Times eschatology upon such a sandy foundation is not wise.
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    The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days

    I believe you are missing the point. The only time limitation -- 1260 days -- is mentioned in verse 5, which is speaking about the spokesman: Rev 13:5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. The spokesman is fully under the authority of the Beast, is doing the work of the Beast, but is not the Beast itself. The spokesman is limited in time, just like all of the HUMAN kings of the north and south in Daniel 11. However, the SPIRIT-POWERS/kings of Daniel 11's north and south continued on functioning serially through human rulers, one human after another. These spiritual rulers are still here "at the time of the end," Daniel 11:40 tells us. Just as we are told in Daniel about the spiritual rulers of Greece, Persia, and Israel (Michael), who, we are told in Daniel 7:12 and 12:1, will also still be active in the last days. The little horn has "eyes like the eyes of a man" (Dan. 7:8), something never said about any of the beasts of Daniel or Revelation.
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    Those Days Will Be Shortened

    Many things taken for granted in the above posts I believe are in error. Much of it has to do with a misunderstanding of when the 1260 days/3-1/2 times/42 months take place. Here is an excerpt from my latest post on the Prophecy Club forum. In brief, Daniel 12:11 has been mistranslated, leading to this common but incorrect understanding, which I held myself: "Daniel 12 is pretty explicit in its language that there are 1,290 days after the abomination is set up." That is the understanding that follows from the standard translation. Here is the correct translation, with explanation: Literal translation of Daniel 12:11-12 And from the time the daily/continual service has been caused to be taken away and/even to the placing of an abomination of desolation: 1290 days. Blessed/happy is the one who earnestly waits, and comes/attains to 1335 days. “has been caused to be taken away”: Hophal Perfect 3ms of the verb סור [soor]. Hophal stems express causative action with a passive voice. Perfect tense means completed action (past, present, or future, here obviously being future). “and/even”: the Hebrew conjunction vav, ו. It usually is translated “and,” but also can mean “but, or, even, yet, when.” “to the”: ל This is the Hebrew preposition lamed, which means “to” or “for.” It has been omitted from the translations of nearly all versions of the Bible. Of the many versions I have consulted, it is found only in Youngʼs Literal Translation. Normally, this preposition would have a Shewa vowel pointing [ ְ ] underneath; but in this case it has a Qamats [ ָ ] underneath, which signifies that it includes within it the definite article “the,” the Hebrew letter ה . So this is to be read, “to the placing of an abomination of desolation…” “placing”: This is the correct translation of the Infinitive Construct of the verb root נתן [naw-than´], which means “to give, put, place.” An infinitive is a verbal noun, here being “placing.” The standard translation – “is set up” – distorts the meaning of the verb and the phrase. The addition of the preposition “to” significantly alters the understanding of the text. The standard translation is rather ambiguous about the relationship of the 1290 days to the two acts: 1) the ending of the daily religious ritual, and 2) the placing of an abomination of desolation. But the inclusion of the simple preposition “to” indicates that the first act begins the 1290 days, and the second act concludes the 1290 days: “from the time of the [removal] even to the abomination of desolation: 1290 days.” The literal translation indicates that the 1290 days precede the Abomination of Desolation. In contrast, the 1260 days until “the end of these wonders,” during which period “the hand [power] of the holy people [shall be] completely shattered/scattered,” does not begin until their flight into the wilderness, which occurs after the Abomination of Desolation. Dan. 12:1; Matt. 24:15-16, 21 For the long explanation, see my last two blog posts, The 1290 and 1335 Days of Daniel 12:11-12, and The 1260 Days. Each is about 3 pages long. I strongly recommend that those interested in this topic print them out and study them out.
  9. WilliamL

    The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days

    Since I wrote my post, I have come to a very different understanding. For the long explanation, see my last two blog posts, The 1290 and 1335 Days of Daniel 12:11-12, and The 1260 Days. Each is about 3 pages long. I strongly recommend that those interested in this topic print them out and study them out. In brief, Daniel 12:11 has been mistranslated, leading to this common but incorrect understanding, which I held myself: That is the understanding that follows from the standard translation. Here is the correct translation, with explanation: Literal translation of Daniel 12:11-12 And from the time the daily/continual service has been caused to be taken away and/even to the placing of an abomination of desolation: 1290 days. Blessed/happy is the one who earnestly waits, and comes/attains to 1335 days. “has been caused to be taken away”: Hophal Perfect 3ms of the verb סור [soor]. Hophal stems express causative action with a passive voice. Perfect tense means completed action (past, present, or future, here obviously being future). “and/even”: the Hebrew conjunction vav, ו. It usually is translated “and,” but also can mean “but, or, even, yet, when.” “to the”: ל This is the Hebrew preposition lamed, which means “to” or “for.” It has been omitted from the translations of nearly all versions of the Bible. Of the many versions I have consulted, it is found only in Youngʼs Literal Translation. Normally, this preposition would have a Shewa vowel pointing [ ְ ] underneath; but in this case it has a Qamats [ ָ ] underneath, which signifies that it includes within it the definite article “the,” the Hebrew letter ה . So this is to be read, “to the placing of an abomination of desolation…” “placing”: This is the correct translation of the Infinitive Construct of the verb root נתן [naw-than´], which means “to give, put, place.” An infinitive is a verbal noun, here being “placing.” The standard translation – “is set up” – distorts the meaning of the verb and the phrase. The addition of the preposition “to” significantly alters the understanding of the text. The standard translation is rather ambiguous about the relationship of the 1290 days to the two acts: 1) the ending of the daily religious ritual, and 2) the placing of an abomination of desolation. But the inclusion of the simple preposition “to” indicates that the first act begins the 1290 days, and the second act concludes the 1290 days: “from the time of the [removal] even to the abomination of desolation: 1290 days.” The literal translation indicates that the 1290 days precede the Abomination of Desolation. In contrast, the 1260 days until “the end of these wonders,” during which period “the hand [power] of the holy people [shall be] completely shattered/scattered,” does not begin until their flight into the wilderness, which occurs after the Abomination of Desolation. Dan. 12:1; Matt. 24:15-16, 21 This is the common understanding, but I disagree with it. Rev. 13:5 tells us that the Beast "was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months." This mouth is the spokeman of the Beast, not the Beast itself. Just as Aaron was the "mouth" of Moses: Ex. 4:16 "So he shall be your spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as God." Daniel 7's Little Horn is this human spokesman of the Beast, which spokesman is to only endure for 1260 days/3-1/2 times. But this spokesman is not the Beast itself, which is a far more powerful spirit. Daniel 7 makes that clear; Rev. 13 is not so clear, so most people miss it. The Little Horn is merely an appendage upon the head of the Beast; it therefore cannot be the Beast itself.
  10. WilliamL

    The 1260 Days

    The 1260 Days Dan. 11:45 And he [the King of the North] shall (1) plant the tents of his pavilion between the seas at the glorious holy mountain… 12:1 And at that time…there shall be (2) a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation unto that same time… Matt. 24:15 Therefore when you see (1) the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place… 21 …then shall be (2) great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world until this time… 2 Thes 2:3 …the man of sin, the Son of Perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called a god or that is worshiped… (1) sits as a god in the naos/sanctuary/holy place of God, exhibiting himself that he is a god. These verses describe the events that lead up to an unprecedented “time of trouble/great tribulation,” which is ultimately caused by the placing of an abomination of desolation (idolatrous image or person) upon Jerusalemʼs holy mountain. The passages below describe the time period that follows, in which both a persecution and an escape of Godʼs peoples occur, which must be endured for 1260 days. Dan. 12:6 Until when the end/fulfillment of these wonders? 1) 7 …unto a time, times, and a half [= 3½ times/1260 days]; and when 2) the hand/power of the holy people has been completely shattered/scattered, all these things shall be finished. Dan. 7:25 And he [the Little Horn] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall afflict the saints of the most High, and intend to change times and law: and they [the saints/holy people] shall be given into his hand 1) until a time and times and the dividing of time [= 3½ times/1260 days]. … 21 I was watching, and 2) the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them… Rev. 13:5 And there was given to it [the Beast] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and authority was given to him [the Mouth/Spokesman] to act 1) forty-two months [= 3½ times/1260 days]. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God… 2) 7 And it was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them… We see above that the persecution of the saints on earth shall be for 1260 days. This period seemingly begins with the Great Tribulation, commencing right after the placing of the Abomination of Desolation, but possibly begins some number of days later. The Relationship of the 1260 and the 1290 Days Standard translation of Daniel 12:11-12 Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily/continual service shall be taken away, and an abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be 1290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1335 days. Literal translation of Daniel 12:11-12 And from the time the daily/continual service has been caused to be taken away and/even to the placing of an abomination of desolation: 1290 days. Blessed/happy is the one who earnestly waits, and comes/attains to 1335 days. The standard translation suggests that the 1290 days follow the Abomination of Desolation, and therefore apparently include the 1260 days in some way. But this translation completely ignores the “to the” in the literal text, and misinterprets the infinitive “placing.” The literal translation indicates that the 1290 days precede the Abomination of Desolation. In contrast, the 1260 days until “the end of these wonders,” during which period “the hand [power] of the holy people [shall be] completely shattered/scattered,” does not begin until their flight into the wilderness, which occurs after the Abomination of Desolation. Dan. 12:1; Matt. 24:15-16, 21 Both the wilderness escape and the 1260 days are found in Revelation 12: Rev. 12:5 Then the Woman fled into the wilderness, where she has there a place having been prepared from/apo God, that they should 1) feed her there for 1260 days. … 2) 14 And to the Woman was given two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness into her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and a half time away from/apo the face of the serpent. This period was foreshadowed in type during the Exodus. On the first Passover, the LORD sent the Destroyer to defile Egyptʼs temples with the corpses of Egyptʼs slain firstborn. These included Pharaohʼs firstborn son, worshiped as the god Horus, and the Apis bull-calf, another firstborn and god. See Ex. 12:12, 23, 29. Immediately afterward, all the Israelites fled into the wilderness, during which escape the LORD “bore [them] on eaglesʼ wings” (Ex. 19:4), and fed them with manna. Compare Rev. 12:14 above. The Events During, and the Fulfillment of, the 1260 Days This will be a turbulent time on earth, with much going on. The first Six Seals of Revelation will be rapidly fulfilled, as they were in type during the Exodus. From the Passover escape unto the LORDʼs descent upon Mount Sinai, when He called up Moses and Joshua into His Presence, only 53 days elapsed. The Latter Day escape, up to the day when Jesus descends in clouds to call up the elect into His Presence, will apparently be just 45 days. (Explained in The 1290 and 1335 Days of Daniel 12:11-12.) At Mount Sinai, none of the fearful, weak-spirited Israelites and mixed multitude among them were able to approach the LORD. Likewise in the End Times, all of the fearful and weak-spirited Christians and Jews will “turn away from Him who speaks from heaven,” Jesus. Heb. 12:25 These, like the earlier Israelites, will be tested and purged of their world-loving ways during the remainder of the 1260 days. Those days will include Revelationʼs Seventh Seal and the immediately-following Seven Trumpets. All throughout this period, the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 – Rev. 11:3 1) …will prophesy 1260 days, having been clothed in sackcloth. … 2) 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. … 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they may choose. The same types of miracles were performed in the Exodus era by Godʼs two witnesses of that day, Moses and Aaron. As shown in the first section above, 1260 days will also be the length of the depredations of Daniel 7ʼs Little Horn = Revelation 13ʼs Mouth/Spokesman of the Beast. Dan. 7:26 But the heavenly court shall be seated, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and destroy it forever. 27 Then the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High. … 13 I was watching in the night visions, and behold, one like a son of a mortal, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. These events are the same ones foretold to take place at the Seventh Trumpet: Rev. 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of this world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” … 17 …You have taken Your great power and reigned. 18 …And the time…came to reward Your servants the prophets and the saints…” A comparable Divine judgment and then immediate establishment of Godʼs earthly rule took place during the Exodus. That event, Korahʼs rebellion and the consequences thereof, took place over a period of four days. Four days will likewise cover the length of time from the assassination of the Two Witnesses up through their subsequent resurrection and exaltation. See Numbers 16-17 and Revelation 11:7-13. Although the Kingdom of God will thereafter be “on earth as it is in heaven” among the remnant of His earthly saints, much of the earth will still be enthralled by the Beast. The worldwide establishment of the Kingdom will not come until well after the 1260 days and the Seventh Trumpet. That final judgment and ultimate establishment of Divine order upon earth will take place at the Seventh Bowl. The same sequence can be seen in the Exodus. There was a long period, a generation, that needed to pass before the LORD was able to whip the Israelites into shape well enough to battle, with the LORDʼs active help, the assembled kings gathered together against them on ʻJoshuaʼs Long Day.ʼ Josh. 10 A similar long period will pass before a comparable alliance of kings will gather against Latter Day Israel. That concluding battle, on another long day when “at evening time…it shall be light” (Zech. 14:7), will be fought at the Seventh Bowl judgment: ʻthe Battle of Armageddon.ʼ At that time, Israel will again fight against an assembly of kings, again with the LORDʼs active help. Exactly the same sequence of End Time events is allegorically portrayed elsewhere in Israelite history: see The Kingdoms of Solomon and Jesus Christ.
  11. WilliamL

    Defense of the Post Trib Rapture

    Scripture says differently: Heb. 12:22 But you come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn having been enrolled in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
  12. The 1290 and 1335 Days of Daniel 12:11-12 Standard translation of Daniel 12:11-12 Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily/continual service shall be taken away, and an abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be 1290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1335 days. Literal translation of Daniel 12:11-12 And from the time the daily/continual service has been caused to be taken away and/even to the placing of an abomination of desolation: 1290 days. Blessed/happy is the one who earnestly waits, and comes/attains to 1335 days. “has been caused to be taken away”: Hophal Perfect 3ms of the verb סור [soor]. Hophal stems express causative action with a passive voice. Perfect tense means completed action (past, present, or future, here obviously being future). “and/even”: the Hebrew conjunction vav, ו. It usually is translated “and,” but also can mean “but, or, even, yet, when.” “to the”: ל This is the Hebrew preposition lamed, which means “to” or “for.” It has been omitted from the translations of nearly all versions of the Bible. Of the many versions I have consulted, it is found only in Youngʼs Literal Translation. Normally, this preposition would have a Shewa vowel pointing [ ְ ] underneath; but in this case it has a Qamats [ ָ ] underneath, which signifies that it includes within it the definite article “the,” the Hebrew letter ה . So this is to be read, “to the placing of an abomination of desolation…” “placing”: This is the correct translation of the Infinitive Construct of the verb root נתן [naw-than´], which means “to give, put, place.” An infinitive is a verbal noun, here being “placing.” The standard translation – “is set up” – distorts the meaning of the verb and the phrase. The addition of the preposition “to” significantly alters the understanding of the text. The standard translation is rather ambiguous – at least, it has been to me – about the relationship of the 1290 days to the two acts: 1) the ending of the daily religious ritual, and 2) the placing of an abomination of desolation. But the inclusion of the simple preposition “to” indicates that the first act begins the 1290 days, and the second act concludes the 1290 days: “from the time of the [removal] even to the abomination of desolation: 1290 days.” A Historical Precedent There is a historical precedent, under similar circumstances, for such a prophesied lapse of time. Antiochus Epiphanes (r. 176 - ca. 164 B.C.) was the historical King of the North who brought Temple services to an end, and later caused to “place the abomination of desolation” in 168 B.C. Dan. 11:31 In his case, lawful Temple services were brought to an end years before the final desecration in 168: 2 Macc. 4:23 After a period of three years [of the high priesthood of Jason, who had usurped the high priesthood of the Jewish Temple from his brother, Onias III, by bribing Antiochus]…Menelaus… 24 …secured the high priesthood for himself… 25 [Being a Benjamite,] he… possess[ed] no [lawful] qualifications for the high priesthood… 29 Menelaus left his own brother Lysimachus as deputy in the high priesthood… 32 But Menelaus, thinking he had obtained a suitable opportunity, stole some of the gold vessels of the temple and gave them to [Antiochusʼs deputy] Andronicus… 34 [Then] Menelaus, taking Andronicus aside, urged him to kill [the legitimate Jewish high priest] Onias. Andronicus came to Onias, and resorting to treachery…urged Onias to come out from [his] place of sanctuary; then, with no regard for justice, he immediately put him out of the way. … 39 [Meanwhile,] many acts of sacrilege had been committed in [Jerusalem] by Lysimachus with the connivance of Menelaus… 2 Macc. 5:1 [Not long afterward,] Antiochus made his second invasion of Egypt. Dan. 11:29 At the appointed time he return[ed] and [went] toward the south; but it [was] not like the former time or like the latter. 30 For ships of Kittim [a Roman fleet commanded by Popilius Laenus] c[a]me against him; therefore he [was] grieved, and return[ed] and [was] enrage[d] against the holy covenant, and so acted…and show[ed] regard for those who forsook the holy covenant. 2 Macc. 5:11 … raging inwardly, [Antiochus] left Egypt and took [Jerusalem] by storm. 14 Within a total of three days, 80,000 Jews were destroyed…and as many sold into slavery… 15 Not content with this, Antiochus dared to enter the most holy Temple in the world, guided by Menelaus, who had become a traitor to the laws and to his country. 16 He took the holy vessels with his polluted hands… 1 Macc. 1:54 Now on the 15th day of Chislev in the 145th year [~Dec. 16, 168 B.C.], they erected a desolating sacrilege [likely an idol of Zeus] upon the altar of burnt offering. This era was prophesied in Dan. 8:12-14, and its “pesha/transgression/lawlessness” was to continue “for 2300 days; then the sanctuary [would] be cleansed.” According to the history provided by the Books of the Maccabees, the ultimate overthrow of the Aaronic priesthood by Menelaus lasted from the latter 170s B.C. (no precise dates given, but enough information to make a rough estimate) up to the cleansing of the sanctuary by the Maccabees in 165 B.C. Now, 2300 days = about 6.3 years, a seeming fit for the length of that period, which reasonably could have begun in 171 B.C. The 1290 Days Keeping these things in mind, letʼs go now to the 1290 days of the End Times, which equal 3.53 solar years. We read in Dan. 11:41 that early on, the King of the North “shall enter the Glorious Land, and many shall be enfeebled/overthrown…” Following this, “he shall stretch out his hand against lands, and the land of Egypt shall not escape…also the Libyans and Cushites…” 11:42-43 An unspecified number of months or years later, Dan. 11:44 …news from the north and the east shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury… 45 And he shall plant the tents of his pavilion…at the glorious holy mountain… 12:1 And in that time Michael shall stand up [cf. Rev. 12:7]…and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was… – which is the same wording Jesus used in Matthew 24:21 to describe the Great Tribulation. So to sum it all up: if the Latter Day King of the North “takes away” Daniel 12:11ʼs “daily services” when he first “enters the Glorious Holy Land,” through subverting its political and/or religious leaders – “many shall be enfeebled/overthrown” (Dan. 11:41) – then the 1290 days would begin at that point, and conclude with the Abomination of Desolation some 3½ years later. The subjection of “lands” – Egypt and Islamic North Africa – could easily take that long, prior to the final crisis. Just as Antiochus was successful in first subverting many of the priests and people, and subsequently succeeded in his original invasion of Egypt, a number of years before he committed his utter defilement and desolation of the Temple in 168 B.C. This sequence seems to me to be the most likely fulfillment of Daniel 12:11. Whether or not it is how things will play out remains to be seen. So this is something to watch out for: the acts of the King of the North when he (or his men) first enter Jerusalem. Those acts should reveal whether or not this understanding of the 1290 days is valid. 1290 days works out to 43 lunar months + 20 days. There are 43 lunar months between Rosh Hashanah = Tishri 1 and the Nisan 1 of 3½ years later. Adding the 20 days comes to Nisan 21, the last day and second special sabbath day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This was the day the Israelites crossed through the Red Sea, being finally delivered from Egyptian bondage. Also, in my understanding, Nisan 21 was the day the dead rose (were delivered) from the graves “after His (Jesusʼ) resurrection…” Matt. 27:53 The 1335 Days, Pentecost, Firstfruits, and Rapture Adding 45 days to Nisan 21 – that is, completing the full 1335 days – comes to Sivan 7, potentially the Feast of Shavout/Pentecost, depending on the year. Rabbinical Jews celebrate Sivan 6 every year for this feast day, the date God gave the Ten Commandments from Mt. Sinai. The next day, the 7th, was when the Israelites entered into their blood covenant with God to keep His law, and those whom God called ascended up before His Presence upon Mount Sinai. Exodus 24 Whether or not the end of the daily services in Jerusalem takes place on Tishri 1 is therefore something else to watch for. These 45 days (or part thereof) would be the Great Tribulation, which begins with “the placing of an abomination of desolation” on the last of the 1290 days: Matt. 24:15 “Therefore when you see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet… 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. … 21 For then will be the Great Tribulation…” A short tribulation fits my understanding for other reasons, which I provide in my blog post Forty Days. The full 1335 days may well end on Pentecost and/or the day before, which two days were the original date of (1st day) Godʼs descent accompanied by earthquake, clouds, and shofar upon Mount Sinai, and (2nd day) His chosen being called up into His Presence. Being a type and shadow of Christʼs descent and His peoplesʼ ascent amidst the very same signs. Besides being called the Feast of Weeks (Heb. Shavuot), Pentecost is also called “the Day of the Firstfruits.” Num. 28:26; cf. Ex. 23:16; 34:22; Lev. 23:15-17 This is significant, because the elect of Christʼs Church are called both firstfruits and firstborn (i.e., the firstfruits of the womb): James 1:18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures. Heb. 12:22 But you [will] come unto Mount Zion and to a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem… 23 to a whole assembly and church of the firstborn having been registered in heaven… Under the typology of the Mosaic Law, only the firstfruits and firstborn of Israel were to be brought to Godʼs sanctuary. Those who are to ascend in the Rapture will be brought to Godʼs heavenly sanctuary. These things are more fully explained in the blogs The Firstfruits and the Harvest and The Innumerable “Great Multitude” of Revelation 7:9. Conclusion Under the more literal translation of Daniel 12:11, the meaning of the verse indicates that the 1290 days will begin with the complete annulment, by the King of the North, of Judeo-Christian worship in Jerusalem. Or, at the least, such worship in the most holy place: on the Temple Mount or in the ancient City of David, if the latter is found to be the original site of the Temple. The 1290 days will come to an end when the Abomination of Desolation is placed; then the Great Tribulation ensues for all or part of 45 days. These things mean that the 1290 days will be both Pre-Tribulation and Pre-Wrath. Those “blessed/happy [ones]…who earnestly wait, and attain the 1335 days” are ones who successfully both “flee to the mountains/wilderness” and are “accounted worthy to escape all these things [of the Great Tribulation] that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:36; Rev. 7:9 Quite possibly a day of Pentecost will be when the elect/worthy ones ascend upon the heavenly Mount Zion. The 3½ times/1260 days found in Daniel 12:7 and other Scriptures will be the topic of a later blog. That period is Post-Tribulation.
  13. Dan. 2:42 “And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile." But say, what if there comes a great worldwide economic depression, causing lots of international stability. Wouldn't all those military-age migrants be prime candidates for a draft?? Like, either join up or get deported. No more on-the-dole for you. When the heat is on, all sorts of things suddenly become politically possible.
  14. WilliamL

    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    Interesting take on the oil and wine, a new one to me. Perhaps a dual meaning, like so many other passages? works for me. "The time of war is followed by the great tribulation..." Disagree here: all of the first five seals take place during the Trib. Jesus' opening of the seals begins the whole show, just as the LORD at the first Passover commenced the whole show in Moses' day. Which is to say, Divine (but as yet unseen) intervention into earthly affairs is the act that starts the reaction against God's people by God's earthly foes; and that reaction is the Great Tribulation. The very same types of reaction by mankind during the Exodus, up through the attack by Amalek upon Israel (the fifth seal of that day), will be repeated during the Trib.
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Antiochus Epiphanes and the End Times Part 3: The Prophetic Fulfillment Daniel 11:21-37 prophesied the most significant acts of Antiochus IV Epiphanes (r. 176 – ca. 164 B.C.), one of Daniel 11ʼs human Kings of the North, and also the acts of the Jews during his rule. “In the time of the end [of the age],” essentially the same deeds, in the same sequence, will be committed by Daniel 11:40-45ʼs King of the North, and also by Godʼs people: 1) Lawlessness and Apostasy: of the Jewish people and priests, beginning in the latter 170s B.C., and likewise of both Judaism and the Church in the Latter Days. 2) An invasion of Egypt, followed by a furious return to the Holy Land. 3) An Abomination of Desolation being set up. 4) Persecution of and flight/escape of Godʼs people to the wilderness. 1) The former time of apostasy, sin, and lawlessness committed by Godʼs priests and people began in the latter 170s B.C., when – 1 Macc. 1:11 In those days lawless men came forth from Israel and misled many… 13 …to observe the ordinances of the Gentiles. 14 So they…abandoned the holy covenant. Dan. 8:12 Because of transgression [Heb. pesha: rebellion, sin; LXX: amartia/sin] an army was given [Antiochus] against the daily [Temple service], and he cast down truth to the ground; and he practiced, and prospered. 1 Macc. 2:15 …the kingʼs officers…were enforcing the apostasy [Gr. apostasia]… The latter days will provide the same pattern of events: Dan. 11:41 [The King of the North] shall enter the Glorious Land, and many shall stumble/be enfeebled/be overthrown… 2 Thess. 2:1 …the Day of Christ will not come… 3 …unless the apostasy [Gr. apostasia] comes first, and the man of sin [Gr. amartia] is revealed, the Son of Perdition… Matt. 24:11 And many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And…lawlessness will abound… 2) After the initial corruption of faith, an invasion of Egypt follows: 1 Macc. 1:29 Two years later [in 168 B.C.]… 2 Macc. 5:1 …Antiochus made his second invasion of Egypt. Dan. 11:29 At the appointed time he shall return and go into the South; but it shall not be like the former [time, when he plundered Egypt], or like the latter/last. The Latter Day invasion, unlike the former, will be successful: Dan. 11:42 He shall stretch out his hand against lands, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 And he shall have dominion over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt… 3) Following an angry return by the King of the North from Egypt to the land of Israel, he causes an Abomination of Desolation to be set up in Jerusalem: Dan. 11:30 …and he shall return and be enraged against the holy covenant… 31 …they shall place the abomination of desolation. 1 Macc. 1:54 Now on the 15th day of Chislev in the 145th year [~Dec. 16, 168 B.C.], they erected a desolating sacrilege [likely an idol of Zeus] upon the altar of burnt offering. A Latter Day abomination is likewise prophesied: Dan. 11:44 …he shall go out [of the south] with great fury… 45 And he shall plant the tents of his pavilion between the seas at the glorious holy mountain… 12:11 …and an abomination of desolation [will be] set up… Matt. 24:15 …you [shall] see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place… 2 Thes. 2:3 …the man of sin [shall] be revealed, the Son of Perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called a god or that is worshiped, so that he sits as a god in the naos/sanctuary/holy place of God, exhibiting himself that he is a god. 4) Immediately following this culminating act of apostasy, a great persecution of Godʼs people begins, and they flee into the wilderness: 1 Macc. 1:41 …the king wrote to his whole kingdom that all should be one people, 42 and that each should give up his customs. … 53 …they drove [the faithful of] Israel into hiding in every place of refuge they had. … 2:15 Then the kingʼs officers who were enforcing the apostasy [Gr. apostasia] came to Modein to make them offer sacrifice. … 19 But Mattathias answered and said in a loud voice… 22 “We will not obey the kingʼs words by turning aside from our religion to the right hand or to the left. … 27 Let everyone who is zealous for the law and supports the covenant come out with me!” 28 And he and his sons fled to the hills and left all that they had in the city. 29 Then many who were seeking righteousness and justice went down to the wilderness to dwell there… Dan. 11:32 Those who [did] wickedly against the covenant [Antiochus] corrupt[ed] with flattery; but the people knowing their God [were] strong, and acted so. 33 …yet for many days they [were] enfeeble[d] by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. A Latter Day persecution and flight is likewise prophesied: Dan. 12:1 …And there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time. And at that time your people shall escape/be delivered… Matt. 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you… 16 …then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. … 21 For then there will be [the] Great Tribulation, such has not been from the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor shall be. Rev. 12:1 Then the Woman fled into the wilderness… At this point, the significant acts of the King of the North against Godʼs people, both past and present, come to an end. Antiochus never returned to Judah, nor was directly involved there. He left to campaign in the east, and thereafter failed to capture the wealthy city of Elymais in Persia. Then, 1 Macc. 6:7 [Hearing] that [the Jews] had torn down the abomination which he had erected upon the altar in Jerusalem… 8 …he was astounded and badly shaken. He took to his bed and became sick from grief, because things had not turned out for him as he had planned. … 16 Thus Antiochus the king died there… Of the Latter Day King of the North, Daniel prophesies that, after he sets himself up – Dan. 11:45 …at the glorious holy mountain…he shall come to his end, and no one will help him. 2 Thes. 2:8 …the Lord will consume [him] with the spirit of His mouth, and bring [him] to nought with the brightness of His Coming. For more information about this person, see my blog, The Son of Perdition Is a Patsy. The prophecy of Daniel 12:11-12 about the 1290- and 1335-day periods of this era will be discussed in the next blog.
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