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  1. The only "sign of the Son of Man" (that is, the sign of Jesus) that the whole world would associate with Him is the Cross. I suspect this cross will be the Southern Cross, which will have become visible high in the sky in the Northern Hemisphere due to a pole reversal. This will take place at the 6th Seal. More on my reasoning here:
  2. There were two offerings for sin on the Day of Atonement: one for the priesthood, and one for the people. The offering for the priesthood took place when Jesus arose from the dead and ascended to heaven. The offering for the people is the event spoken of in Rev. 5: Rev. 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. When Azazel, the Beast from the Abyss, is cast into the lake of fire, that will be the final act of the sins being laid upon the head of Azazel. For more detail about these things, go here, and skip down to the section "The Day of Atonement/Yom Kippur" -- https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1514-the-most-holy-place-the-feast-of-trumpetsrosh-hashanah/ This is taken from the blog post preceding the one listed above: The Tabernacle and Court, Part 4: The Most Holy Place Under the Mosaic Law of the Israelite Covenant, only the High Priest was allowed to enter into the Most Holy Place of the Tabernacle, and only on one day each year. Lev. 16:2, 34; Heb. 9:7 On that day, the Day of Atonement, he was required to enter the Most Holy Place twice: Leviticus 16:17 …that he may make atonement [1] for himself, and for his household, and [2] for all the assembly of Israel. Under Christʼs Law of the Church Covenant, Hebrews 8:1 We have such a High Priest… 2 a Minister of the Holy Places and of the true [i.e., Heavenly] Tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man. … 9:12 …[who] entered [1] once into the Holy Places, having obtained (for) Himself* eternal redemption. … 24 For Christ has not entered into holy places made with hands, [which are] antitupa/antitypes/representations of the true, but into heaven itself, [2] now to appear in the Presence of God for us. … 28 To those who eagerly wait for Him, He will appear out [of heavenʼs Sanctuary] a second time without sin to [the purpose of] salvation. *Greek middle/reflexive voice. The true meaning of this passage out of Hebrews is generally missed. The two-fold atonement required of Aaronic High Priests in the earthly Tabernacle was meant to be an accurate representation of the two-fold atonement ultimately required of the heavenly High Priest, Jesus Christ. Although Jesus lived a sinless life, God “made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” 2 Cor. 5:21; Is. 53:4-6 Therefore, He was unclean upon His Resurrection from the dead, and needed to immediately ascend to the Most Holy Place in heaven to become purified. This is why He said to Mary Magdalene, John 20:17 “Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to my Father…” In contrast, the same day in the evening, after His return from “having obtained (for) Himself eternal redemption” (Heb. 9:12, above), he told His disciples, “Handle Me and see…” Luke 24:39 By that time, atonement had been made “for Himself and for His household.” Lev. 16:17, above. Aaronʼs household consisted of all Aaronic priests and their families. Christʼs household consists of all Melchizedek/Apostolic priests and their families, because He was Hebrews 5:10 called by God as High Priest “according to the Order of Melchizedek…” 3:6 [and] Christ [was faithful] as Son [of God] over his own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end. Perhaps more on this next week, with excerpts from a blog post about the Beast that got removed.
  3. Without a doubt. However, the issue became complicated with the introduction of the word "person," as in, for example, "three Persons of the Godhead from eternity." These concepts were systematized beginning at Nicaea, whereas beforehand they had been open to discussion. Man is made up of body, soul, and spirit (plus other things), but no one speaks of himself as being three persons. (Unless he has a multiple personality disorder. ) And there's the rub when speaking of a "three-Person Godhead": the term incites thoughts of multiple gods, not One God, which is why Jews have long accused Christians of being polytheists. On the other hand the Kabbalists had no problem at all with the Christian plurality in the Divine, because they've long held such a view, believing that such concepts were merely mental constructs to help our pea-brains conceive the various attributes of the One God.
  4. Probably true for most on this site, but I am of the opinion that all of the seven churches are currently represented on earth. It's just that the Laodicean Church is the predominate one at this time.
  5. Nice connection of the AD with Daniel 12:11, not with Daniel 9:27, which is a red herring. However, I believe the common translation of Daniel 12:11 leads to the misunderstanding that the AD takes place at the beginning of the 1290 days. My understanding is that it comes at the end: Standard translation of Daniel 12:11-12 Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily/continual service shall be taken away, and an abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be 1290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1335 days. Literal translation of Daniel 12:11-12 And from the time the daily/continual service has been caused to be taken away and/even to the placing of an abomination of desolation: 1290 days. Blessed/happy is the one who earnestly waits, and comes/attains to 1335 days. ... “to the”: ל This is the Hebrew preposition lamed, which means “to” or “for.” It has been omitted from the translations of nearly all versions of the Bible. Of the many versions I have consulted, it is found only in Youngʼs Literal Translation. Normally, this preposition would have a Shewa vowel pointing [ ְ ] underneath; but in this case it has a Qamats [ ָ ] underneath, which signifies that it includes within it the definite article “the,” the Hebrew letter ה . So this is to be read, “to the placing of an abomination of desolation…” ... The addition of the preposition “to” significantly alters the understanding of the text. The standard translation is rather ambiguous – at least, it has been to me – about the relationship of the 1290 days to the two acts: 1) the ending of the daily religious ritual, and 2) the placing of an abomination of desolation. But the inclusion of the simple preposition “to” indicates that the first act begins the 1290 days, and the second act concludes the 1290 days: “from the time of the [removal] even to the abomination of desolation: 1290 days.” -- The above is an excerpt from my blog post The 1290 and 1335 Days of Daniel 12:11-12. For the full article, go here: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1440-the-1290-and-1335-days-of-daniel-1211-12/?do=edit
  6. I agree with the first two paragraphs. Not so much the implied suggestion of the third, that there will be some kind of world-shaking powerful revival before the Second Coming. Jesus himself said, Luke 18:8 Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? The presumptive answer is, "not much." Yes, there will be powerful people of faith in the End of the Age, but not many. Most of those taken up to the Lord will, in my opinion, be the struggling faithful, those who kept their lamps burning even while napping in the sleepy dullness just before the heavenly announcement: Matt. 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
  7. Isaiah 24 is speaking of the day of the LORD, which is when Jesus comes riding on the White horse. The many days refers to the millennium... Revelation Man is correct: the Day of the Lord includes the entire period from the beginning of the Seals all the way through the 7th Bowl. Note what Isaiah 2 testifies: Isaiah 2:12 For the Day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: ... 19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. 20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; 21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. These things take place during the first shaking of the earth, at the sixth seal: Rev. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; etc. ... 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb... In contrast, when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven in Rev. 19 at the battle of Armageddon, rather than hiding, "the kings of the earth and their armies [will be] gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army." Rev. 19:19. Big difference; but both events included in the Day of the Lord.
  8. Those saints are the ones in Sheol that Jesus went to preach the gospel to. The word for arose, from the Greek root egeiro, is better translated 'awakened.' Note that they were awakened, not arisen: they did not arise/come out of the graves until AFTER Jesus himself was resurrected/arisen from the dead. As far as whether the thief was among them, I doubt it. I suspect the only ones awakened were the righteous saints who had already died before Jesus preached the Gospel. The thief lived during the time when the Gospel was preached.
  9. After Jesus comes riding on the White Horse, yes, there will be few men left. Isaiah 24 is not all all speaking about the Armageddon-day battle, but about a much earlier time. Isaiah 24 21 So it will happen in that day, That the LORD will punish the host of heaven on high, And the kings of the earth on earth. 22 They will be gathered together Like prisoners in the dungeon, And will be confined in prison; And after many days they will be punished. The heavenly host is punished first, in the beginning of the Trib., when Satan and his angels are cast down. Only "after many days" shall these be punished, after Armageddon, when they are cast into the lake of fire (except for Satan). So Isaiah 24 is speaking about early on in the End Times that there will be "few men left," not at the end of the End Times, when the earth has been repopulated enough for the vast multitude to gather under Gog to invade Israel. Israel will be a peace then; the events spoken of in Isaiah 24 say nothing of these latter things taking place before that punishment.
  10. Yes, I am locked in. The 7 years are in Revelation 12:6- 12:17. But it not stated directly as such. 7 years is stated nowhere in the text. The 7 years in Ezekiel 39 does not say in the text that it is the seven years of Daniel 9:27 either, but it is, by putting together a bunch of other verses and concepts. I don't feel like going into all of them in this thread, too much material to cover. You say material, I say presumption
  11. Acts 2:31 is a requote of Psalm 16:10, where hell is the grave. Bodily resurrection does not occur until the rapture or the second resurrection, the Soul and spirit went to heaven, the paradise of God. Jesus and the firstfruits (Matt. 27:51-53) went up bodily, and Jesus' Body never saw corruption. "Hell" in Psalm 16 is the Hebrew Sheol, the abode of the souls of the dead; equivalent to Hades in Greek. The grave is the abode of dead bodies; Sheol was the abode of all the soulls of the dead up until Jesus' resurrection. Hebrew has other terms for the grave. Jesus' body and soul did not rise until three days; he first went to Sheol/Hades to preach the gospel "to those who are dead." 1 Pet. 4:6; also 3:19, Eph. 4:9, John 5:25, Luke 4:18. Therefore, the day of the crucifixion and for three days afterward, the Paradise wherein Jesus was to be with the repentant thief could only have been in Sheol.
  12. But that army comes during the trumpets, not the bowls. And it is destroyed. Isaiah 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.
  13. Fine, then explain how the thief and Jesus was going to be that day in heavenly Paradise, when the scriptures explicitly state that Jesus had to immediatley descend to Hades/hell. For example Acts 2:31 He [David] seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
  14. But it also says that Israel is living in a state of peace in Ezekiel 38. Which certainly will not be the case at the time the 7th Bowl of God's wrath takes place. I am just expressing part of my "does it fit" or "does it not fit" thought process. It does not fit if you are locked into a 7-year everything happens. That is view founded on the widely-disputed single verse of Daniel 9:27. No other passage of the Bible mentions any 7-year timetable in the End Times. What will actually transpire is a long period AFTER the dual destructions of the seals and trumpets. Earth will be depopulated to a mere fraction, technology will revert to primitive levels, and armies will again ride on horses and use shields and spears and bows, exactly as we see described in Ezekiel 38-39. I believe it will take DECADES before the carnal nations will be able to reorganize and repopulate enough to mount the culminating, Age-ending invasion of Israel. That is why the returnees are living in the land without gates and bars: there hasn't been enough people alive to amass any army for decades.
  15. No, your study Bible is teaching churchianity. Luke 23:32 And Jesus said to him [the repentant thief on the cross], “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” 2 Cor. 12:4 ...how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Paradise is just another name for the Garden, for Eden, the place of the righteous souls in the spiritual realm. Also called "Abraham's bosom." Jesus "descended first into the lower parts of the earth..." Eph. 4:9 1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. Jesus descended to hades, preached to and converted the righteous souls of the dead, and built his church among them. The gates of hell could not prevail against them, and they ascended to the third/lowest heaven (they did not jump all the way up to the first!), which thereafter became Paradise. Hades/hell/sheol is now no more the repository of the souls of all the dead, as it was before the Atonement; it now only the repository of the souls of those who have rejected the Gospel.
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