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  1. WilliamL

    Help with Revelation 12:17

    Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. This refers to the law of Moses, which included the 10 Commandments, but added other statutes and ordinances. Jesus' affirmed God's 10 Commandments: Matt. 19:17 ... if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother... But they will have the testimony of Jesus after they have seen Him coming in the clouds: Zech 12:10 ...they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn. Rom. 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
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    Image of the beast question?

    My suspicion is that the image will be some kind of high-tech robot, having feigned life, but certainly the ability to speak the words of the Beast. A counterfeit, ala "lying signs and wonders." The Beast from the Abyss is probably too gruesome of a being to want to be seen in public. One must project an acceptable image before the public. Being only an electronic device, and thus without real life, there is no point for it to be thrown into the lake of fire. Maybe auction it off on ebay when everything settles down in the Millennium.
  3. WilliamL

    The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days

    I had another article ready to go, but my OpenOffice program flat out lost it when I tried to copy it over. Will rewrite it from notes for next time. One thing I remember off the top relates to the above. 1290 days works out to 43 lunar months + 20 days. There are 43 lunar months between Rosh Hashanah/Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, 3-1/2 years later. Add 20 days comes to Nisan 21, the last day and second special sabbath day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This was the day the Israelites crossed through the Red Sea, being finally delivered from Egyptian bondage. Also, in my understanding, the day the dead rose (were delivered) from the graves "after His (Jesus') resurrection," and "entered into the holy city." Matt. 27:53 Adding 45 days to Nisan 21 comes to Sivan 7, potentially the day of Shavout/Pentecost, depending on the year. Rabbinical Jews celebrate Sivan 6 every year for this Feast Day, the original day God gave the 10 Commandments from Mt. Sinai. The next day, the 7th, was when the Israelites entered into their blood covenant with God to keep His law. Ex. 24:1-9 All these numbers possibly being coincidence, of course.
  4. WilliamL

    The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days

    I studied out your article Chronology of the Last Days, and this is my response: You write, “The first seal was opened after the gospel was preached to all the nations, completing the times of the nations, or gentiles. When it was opened, the evil angel beast was released from the abyss and began implementing the plan that would lead to the man of sin’s rise to become world dictator. … The reason I place it’s opening circa 1900 is that about that time, we saw the emergence of things that today have matured into things of prophetic significance. … When these things have sufficiently matured, the man of sin will be revealed, something that begins in earnest with the second seal.” The only time Scripture speaks of the sealed Abyss being opened is at the 5th Seal, by an angel who is “given the key.” Rev. 9:1 Whereas the 1st Seal says nothing about either the Abyss or the Beast. So your thesis seems to be established purely upon personal rationalizations. Likewise, you posit that at “the 4th Seal…the man of sin…declares himself to be God.” And at the 5th Seal, the image of the Beast (Rev. 13:14) is set up. Neither of these things is mentioned at all in Rev. 6, nor anything like them. Revelation 7's “great multitude” of saints “before the throne,” so large as to be innumerable, is not mentioned at all in your thesis – where do they fit in? You mention no Rapture of the Church at all, and put the Second Coming of the Lord at both the 7th Trumpet and 7th Bowl, which “is completed in one day. The millennial reign of Christ begins and His kingdom fills the earth.” So at best, no Rapture into the clouds of anything more than a fraction of a day. Your thesis thus requires the Church to remain on earth throughout all of the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls, and to go through the whole period of the Wrath of God, 1 Thes. 5:9 notwithstanding. Sorry to say, but because so many of your conclusions lack Scriptural backup, I see no reason to address what you present about the prophetic time periods.
  5. No, it is YOU SAYING this is Jesus Christ. With no substantiation at all other than literary rationalizations, which have been equally refuted. You have no second witness. Same with your other "messages from Jesus."
  6. WilliamL

    The Most Important Sign

    Why, shameless plug, that just so happens to be the title of the four-part blog of mine on the subject. Starts here:
  7. WilliamL

    The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days

    Allright! another short-tribber! Got to this late in my time online today, so will download it on my laptop, study it out, and get back to you next week.
  8. WilliamL

    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    I am in complete agreement with the first 9 points, which were well and succinctly stated. That said, I see some problems in the last three: 10. As I have written on extensively before, nothing in Daniel 9:24-27 says anything about the End Times. There is no Scriptural second witness that tells of a 7-year period in the End Times. This long-held dogma is therefore pure speculation, and thus may lead many to false perceptions about the End Times. 11. True, the GT will include the violent persecution of the Church (5th Seal), but it will also be a time of great tribulation for unbelievers. The worldwide chaos will effect everybody. 12. Presumes the same interpretation of Daniel 9:27: that there will be a week of years in the End Times for which there will be a "middle." A potentially dangerous presumption.
  9. WilliamL

    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    "The standard" according to you only, not anything that Jesus or the Apostles required. Two witnesses from Scripture is two witnesses, whether from OT or NT or both. As far a "having the Torah requirement," nobody in OT times had any NT witness, so by your reasoning that means that those folks were not able to confirm anything at all! so the Torah mandate was therefore unusable for 1500 years, because "The standard therefore is every position one espouses must be confirmed in both NT and OT."
  10. The standard interpretation of Rev. 2-3, which you obviously reject, is that the 7 historical churches were also to be types and shadows of seven church ages, ending with the fat and self-content Laodicean Church Age; being our present day. Rev. 1:19 “Write [1] the things which you have seen, [2] and the things which are, [3] and the things which will take place after these things." [1] The things which John had seen: Rev. 1:20 “The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches." [2] The things "which are" at the time of John's vision: Rev. 2-3: the state of the 7 churches. [3] The things which will take place after these things: Rev. 4:1 and following. Nothing in the text indicates that anything John saw after Rev. 4:1 spoke of anything else but the Latter Days. Your so-called revelation of Jesus Christ notwithstanding. Nothing in rev. 4-5 says that John was "looking back in time." It is your entirely-unsubstantiated word. [1] Ps. 110:1 The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I place Your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Jesus was to sit at the right hand of God, as Steven in fact did see, UNTIL the time when his enemies were to be placed at his feet. Which debasing of His enemies commences when Jesus comes before the throne to receive authority from God via the scroll given to him in Rev. 5. This is why Jesus was no longer seen sitting at the right hand of the Father, because the Father commences Judgment in Rev. 4. This is the same judgment that was seen by Daniel in Dan. 7, when Daniel also saw 'one like the Son of Man brought near before God to be given dominion and glory and a kingdom..." Dan. 7:13-14 Jesus cannot be seen at the right hand of God and coming before His face at the same time. The latter is what takes place only in the End Times: this tells us when Rev. 4-5 takes place. [2] But a Man was found, as Rev. 5 explicitly tells us. Jesus. The transition from the Age of Grace into the Age of Judgment is the subject of Rev. 4-5. [3] Who told you that THE Holy Spirit is not One, but 7 spirits? Another one of your unsubstantiated revelations from "Jesus"? People pop up from time to time on this forum who claim to have special revelation from Jesus or God. But when those "revelations" do not find Scriptural support, then all we have is a single unsubstantiated witness. In this case, you.
  11. WilliamL

    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    Says what Scripture? The Bible says no such thing, you are making up your own doctrine. Recompense includes authority, as Jesus clearly stated in the passage in Luke.
  12. WilliamL

    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    Paul clearly shows here that in the resurrection, there will be different levels of rewards: 1 Cor. 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward [lit. wages]. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Thus salvation will be for all of the faithful, but there will be rewards above and beyond salvation, based upon one's works while in the flesh. Other verses say the same: 1 Cor. 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward/wages according to his own labour. Matt. 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward/wages; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward/wages. 42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward/wages. Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 1 Tim. Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. Rev. 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward/wages with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Luke 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. Dan. 12:13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance/recompense at the end of the days.” All of these scriptures say that the faithful are to receive varying levels of recompense, including levels of authority, based upon their works while in the flesh.
  13. WilliamL

    The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days

    I posed this question (in red, below) to the Prophecy Exchange, but they whiffed on it. So now am posting it here. The 1260 and 1290/1335 Days Dan. 11:45 And he [the King of the North] shall plant the tents of his pavilion between [the] seas at the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. 12:1 And at that time…there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time… Matt. 24:15 Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place… 21 …then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time… The above passages describe the key events that lead to the Great Tribulation. The passages below describe the ensuing time period, that of the persecution against the Israelite peoples. (The Book of Daniel says nothing about the Church, which was a “mystery” yet to be revealed to both Israel and the angels. Rom. 16:25; Col. 1:26; 1 Pet. 1:12) Dan. 12:6 …How long [shall it be to] the end of these wonders? 7 …[it shall be] for a time, times, and an half [= 3½ times/1260 days]; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished. … 11 And from the time [that] the daily/continual shall be taken away, and an abomination of desolation is set up, [there shall be] 1290 days. 12 Blessed [is] he who waits, and comes to the 1335 days. Dan. 7:25 And he [the Little Horn] shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they [the saints/holy people] shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time [= 3½ times/1260 days]. Rev. 13:5 And there was given unto it [the Beast] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and authority was given unto him [the Mouth/spokesman] to continue forty [and] two months [= 3½ times/1260 days]. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, … 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them… So now to the question: we see above that the period of persecution of Israel shall be for 1260 days, but the period from the beginning of the Great Tribulation, commencing when the Abomination of Desolation is set up, shall be 1290 days until Israel is delivered. Or possibly 1335 days. 1290 – 1260 = 30 days. 1335 – 1260 = 75 days. Is not one of these periods, 30 or 75 days, therefore the length of the Great Tribulation, “immediately after” (Matt. 24:29) which the Lord descends to gather out His elect in the Rapture? (For a different look at why I believe there will be a “short trib,” see my blog post Forty Days.)
  14. WilliamL

    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    This is a clear denial of the Word. Jesus said that some would rule 10 cities, others only one. Paul talked about various types of crowns that could be earned. Etc. etc.
  15. Rev. 4:1 After these things [Gr. meta tauta] I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after these things [Gr. meta tauta].” After what things? The events of the 7 Churches of Rev. 2-3. Those churches were not founded until long after 32 AD. So for you to presume that John was "looking back in time" to before those churches were founded is a clear and unmistakable denial of Scripture. I don't know who the Jesus is that has been talking to you, but it certainly isn't the Jesus that gave John the Revelation. The events of Rev. 4-5 come only after the events of Rev. 2-3 have been completely fulfilled. The events of Rev. 4-5 are the same events foretold in Daniel 7:9ff., which are undeniably End times.