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Was Jesus' words spirit or flesh? ... or does God count as a man? What if the bases of the question is wrong, like (to connect another thread) Nicodemus' go back into your mother's womb ...

Jhn 3:3-4,10 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? ... ... Jesus ansered and saith unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? A word like God has boundless depths to us/all ... an ever increasing truth in us/all ... but it starts for us with one word ... and even Jesus had to come to this reality as part of the plight of mankind ...

(On your 1st bullet point) ... I find for good or bad that we are mostly taught by what we see and hear ... which reinforces the way we perceive others as well as ourselves in relationship to the proximity of God ... and this ever increasing kingdom ... most of what is reinforced by the institutions of the day is contrary to truth residing in us ...

For me, the only place the word can rightly be divided is at the cross ... which to left or right of hangs a thief ...

(I'm sure this will seem off topic but ...) When Jesus' words are taken in the context of "without" it becomes confusion, and we begin to miss the ever increasing depth of his words in relationship to the stone that is becoming a mountain within us ...

In christ there is no decimation ...