sheya joie

I grew up Baptist; was saved at age 16 in a Baptist church. Shortly after that, the pastor of my Baptist church was preaching/teaching through various books of the Bible, and he worked his way through 1 Corinthians. I distinctly remember him teaching on the first half of 1 Cor 11, the passage on headcovering, and what a row that caused among the women of the church.

And then he hit chapters 12 and 14. That caused an even huger row, so that the whole church divided, some (mostly the younger people) saying that if it's in the Bible, it's so - while others (mostly the older people) saying that the pastor had stopped being Baptist, and gone over to being charismatic.

During all this, there was one Wed night service I remember in particular, where one women stood up and said hotly that prophecy and such had died out with John the Baptist (???) - and another women turned to the first and said, 'Don't blaspheme!'

The upshot is the pastor got fired. Those who believed as he did left that church and scattered to the four winds.

The next Baptist church I attended, the pastor was preaching through Psalm 150. Knowing that the Baptists (at least, the ones I grew up among) do not approve of dancing, I listened closely to hear what he would say about verse 4: Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

You know what he did? He skipped over it. He went straight from 'praise him with the psaltery and harp' to 'praise him with stringed instruments and organs' - as if the part about 'timbrel and dance' wasn't even in there.

I know traditionally the Baptist have been called 'the people of the Word.' But I also know by experience that even Baptists are not above pretending certain parts of the Bible aren't there, rather than rock their own boats.

With respect,

Two years is not very long still. How she died - whether it was sudden and unexpected, or perhaps a lingering illness - can be a factor in how he is dealing with it. Everyone grieves differently. The boys may be still dealing with her death also.

I'm not sure how much help I can be to you, but I am a widow. My husband passed away 3 years ago.

Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

These verses are later quoted in Hebrews 2, with the explanation:

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hope that helps.

I just now ran across this thread, and my immediate reaction to the original question, about what the various words in the kind of church it is mean - was, how about ask the pastor to explain all of it?

1 Corin.11:14 Every man praying or prophesying,having his head covered,dishonoreth his head.

The covering of the head represented authority.Who is the authority in the house of GOD?Man or GOD?

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The verse above is the one in question. And it is not talking about hair, but about a covering over the head and hair. Until about 30 years ago, it was well understood that it was a sign of respect for a man to remove his hat when entering a church (or any building). Men also removed their hats in respect when the flag was going by, etc.

Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Ok, I finished reading the first one. Mini review time.

I enjoyed it. Trying to remember the course of 600+ pages - but I don't think there was any cussing. Maybe 4 'sex' scenes - NOT graphic, discretely handled in my opinion. Two are positive, between a married couple. One is adulterous, and the woman goes through a lot of mental anguish afterwards. The last is a bad guy being a bad guy.

This is a spy/military/high-tech novel, so it is something like a Tom Clancy. Some of it moved me to tears; some had me frightened for the characters. It was well-written, I thought.

And... there was more than one clear presentation of the Gospel - including the Roman Road.

I would reccommend it.

I voted 'Finished my taxes and have sent them in already' - yeah, sent 'em in Wed!

Paid no tax, got no refund - breaking even ain't so bad, eh?

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but then again Im not blind either, and I believe as the body we can discern the times. Just being wise as a serpent but gentle as a dove if you know what I mean. Be Blessed.

Hey One Accord, I dont think we have to look under our bed for any communist, there are plenty of those living in this country. Saw one on Fox News the other night. Did anyone else see her. Her Tee Shirt said it all! Shalom

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which has me wondering now what the tee shirt said...

I've been drinking an entire half-gallon of orange juice most days lately - water otherwise. Really trying to not drink sodas anymore.

Oh, and I hate coffee and teas. Weird me.

Sheya

I'm glad I brought the subject up since quite a few people have not heard of the books.  What Bible translation are they using?  I'm thinking of buying these for someone and they want only one certain translation.  Please let me know ASAP!  I wondered if it had any Bible verses at all so I'm glad you brought that up.  Is there any romance at all in it?

Thanks!!

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The translation is NKJV. I don't yet know about romance, since I haven't had time to read much further yet. I am hoping the adulterous wife will come to the LORD, and repent and go back to her husband...

Sheya

After reading this thread yesterday, I checked the local library's online card catalog, and found that both Oliver North novels are available there. So I have checked out 'Mission Compromised.' I've read about 150 pages (out of 605) and like what I have read so far.

What does it tell you about a novel, that on the copyright page in the front there is a notice that all quotes from the Bible, unless otherwise noted, come from a specific translation of the Bible? How many novels have such a note in them?

Oh, and as I was reading chapter two last night - I was in tears. Very moving.

Just from what I have read so far, I will give it a .

Sheya

Not a native Texan, but my kids are.

Sheya, in the southernmost part of Texas

I feel terrible. I used to know some good riddles. Now I know none. I seem to have forgotten them all.

1)

Rich people need me.

Poor people have me.

If you eat me you will die.

2)

I cannot be heard.

I cannot be felt.

Don't say a word,

or I will melt.

3)

A flower, a network, a duck and a duke. What am I?

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1 - nothing

2 - silence

3 - no idea

sheya

Aha!

4. The following number is the only one of its kind. 8,549,176,320. Can you figure out what is so special about it?

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Yes, I figured it out!

eight

five

four

nine

one

seven

six

three

two

zero

The digits of the number are in alphabetical order!

hehehe

Sheya

2. What do these three things have in common? Dogs, Diamonds, Double Plays.

My guess is: baseball. (And the dogs are hot dogs.)

Sheya

Yay! I did it! And before I saw Ovedya's answers too!

Sheya

As was given in an earlier reply:

Rev (was it chapter 11?) verse 6: These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

My thoughts:

Elijah was famous in the OT for praying to shut up the sky, while Moses was famous for the plagues on Egypt (not that either man actually did such things, but they acted as the LORD told them to do). So I assume it is from that, and from the pair of them appearing with Jesus during the Transfiguration, that people have thought that perhaps the two witnesses would be these two men.

I don't think necessarily they would BE the two men come back from the dead. Jesus said that John the Baptist fulfilled the prophecy about Elijah coming before the Messiah - so men who are LIKE Moses and Elijah would be enough to fulfill this. IMO

Sheya