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SINCE I AM THE CHURCH... IT IS ONLY ABOUT SIXTY YEARS OLD.. HOW ABOUT THAT????????

BROTHERS AND SISTERS. IN CHRIST MAY I ASK EACH ONE OF YOU TO ASK YOUR SELF THIS QUESTION.? AM I IN THE WILL OF GOD.? I KNOW THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN MANY TIMES IN THIS FORUM WANTING TO PROVE MY POINT RATHER THAN TRYING TO LOVE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST. NOW I HAVE STOPPED THAT I PRAY WELL STOP IT. I KNOW MUCH DISCORD HAS BEEN SOWN BETWEEN THE BROTHERS ANS SISTERS..... THA T IS ONE THING THAT THE LORD GOD HATES. NOW MAY I ASK U THIS ARE U IN THE WILL OF GOD. IF NOT WHY NOT???? Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service. Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

I DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS TIME TO END THIS DISCUSSION IT SEEMS AS IF ANOTHER ARGUEMENT IT ALREADY HERE DONT U THINK NOW WITH ALLOF THE SPIRIT OF LOVE OF THE LORD...... IF WE LOVE THE LORD AND I DO ........ IT IS TIME TO STOP DONT U THINK IT IS BEST TO DROP IT NOW

ACTUALLY ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS. WE ARE INSTRUCTED NOT TO DEBATE...... ALLIT CAUSES IS STRIFE AND HARD FEELINGS....... SO WHY DEBATE I QUIT THE LORD CONVICTED ME THAT IT IS WRONG SO BYE NOW

FOLKS GREETING SO YOU ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE LORD I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS LATEST INVASION OF PEOPLE FROM THE APOSTATE CHURCH... DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH . WHAT HAVE THEY CAUSED IN THIS ROOM ....... CONFLICT AND CONFUSSION....... IS THAT OF GOD. NO WAY IT IS FROM GOD....... SO I HAVE DUSTED MY FEET OF THEM ... ALL THEY POST IS SOMEBODIES ELSES VIEWS AND NOT THEIR OWN. SO IF YOU ALL ARE CHRISTIANS GOD BLESS U IF NOT MAY U BECOMED SAVED SOON BEFORE THE LORD RETURNS FOR HIS CHURCH AMEN AND AMEN

ENOUGH OF THIS AGRUEMENT...... I HAVE DONE ALL I WILL DO ON THIS FALSE TEACHINGS OF THE RCC........ MAKING MARY A god.... she was sinner just like the restof us bye now

HOMEBILD SAID THIS........ Traditonally, the Catholic Church has accepted a view that Mary remained a 'technical' virgin even after having been married to Joseph, citing the belief among Church fathers that Joseph was well advanced in age upon his marriage to Mary and thereby incapable of fathering children. (The Bible does not say one way or another how old Joseph was...). MAY I ASK WHERE THE SCIRPTURE TO BACK THIS UP IS PLEASE

YES I MADE THAT MISTAKE I DIDNOT CHRCK OUT MY SOURCE JUST MADE THE STATEMENT FORGIVE ME IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE BIBLES SAYS MARY WAS NOT A VIRGIN AFTER JESUS WAS BORN SHE WAS UNTIL BUT AFTERWARD NO WAY ACCORDING TO THE WORD

THE FIRST PART GOT POSTED BY ACCIDENT FORGIVE ME

well, i see we that a little diffeenct of agreement here as usual. May be i can clear this up. please be patient and read what i have to say. ok i to thank u for your time.. now we are all called to minister.... but not all are called to be ministers as in pastor, teacher evangelist etc. are we. no way . NOT ALLMEN ARE CALLED TO BE LEADERS.... IF SO THAT WHO WOULD FOLLOW. IT IS LIKE THIS..... I WAS CALLED TO BE A PIPEFITTER AND MY WIFE WAS CALLED TO BE A NURSE IN A HOSPITAL.. COULD SHE COME OUT AND DO THE WORK THAT I DID ..... NOWAY CLIMBING HUNDREDS OF FEET INT HE AIR WITH VERY LITTLE TO HANG ON TO. BUT AGAIN TO U THINK THAT I COULD GO IN TO A HOSPITAL AND DO WHAT SHE HAS BEEN TRAINED TO DO. HANDLING PEOPLE THAT ARE SICK AND ALL......... I PERSONALLY HATE TO WALK IN TO A HOSPITAL . BUT THE LORD EQUIPS FOR WHAT HE CALLS US TO DO IN THE MINISTRY LIKE THIS STORY ..... A MAN who all he was was janitor in the church . for years that was all he ever did..... week after week and year after year. however he was the happiest man in the whole church one day the pastor ask him why he was so happy......... this janitor said SIR,,,,, I AM DOING WHAT THE LORD CALLED ME TO DO. NOW WHEN WE DO THE LORDS CALLING FROM A JANITOR TO A PASTOR... WE THAN ARE WHERE THE LORD WANTS US..... SO WOULD THE LORD CALL ALL MEN TO BE EVANGELIST , PASTORS , TEACHERS , NO CAN WE ALL BE LEADERS NO........ DOWE ALL HAVE THE ANOINTING TO PREACH OR TEACH NOWAY ...... AND THOSE THAT GOD CALLED INTO THE MINISTRY SUCH AS PASTORS EVANGELISTS, APOSTLES DO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THE REST OF THE FLOCK. THEY SHOULD BE LIKE A SHEPHERD GUARDING THEIR SHEEP TO KEEP THE FROM THE WOLF...... ARE WE ALL CALLED TO DO THAT.? DID THE LORD ORDAIN EACH OF US TO BE A PASTOR EVANGELIST TEACHER. IF SO WHERE THE ONES WE ARE TO TEACH. NO WE ARE CALLED TO BE SERVANTS OF THE MOST HIGH GOD WHAT EVER HE WANTS WE DO......IS IT THAT NOW RIGHT..... OR SHOULD WE GO OUR OWN WAY AND DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO. . GOD BLESS YOU ALL

well, i see we that a little diffeenct of agreement here as usual. May be i can clear this up. please be patient and read what i have to say. ok i to thank u for your time.. now we are all called to minister.... but not all are called to be ministers as in pastor, teacher evangelist etc. are we. no way . NOT ALLMEN ARE CALLED TO BE LEADERS.... IF SO THAT WHO WOULD FOLLOW. IT IS LIKE THIS..... I WAS CALLED TO BE A PIPEFITTER AND MY WIFE WAS CALLED TO BE A NURSE IN A HOSPITAL.. COULD SHE COME OUT AND DO THE WORK THAT I DID ..... NOWAY CLIMBING HUNDREDS OF FEET INT HE AIR WITH VERY LITTLE TO HANG ON TO. BUT AGAIN TO U THINK THAT I COULD GO IN TO A HOSPITAL AND DO WHAT SHE HAS BEEN TRAINED TO DO. HANDLING PEOPLE THAT ARE SICK AND ALL......... I PERSONALLY HATE TO WALK IN TO A HOSPITAL . BUT THE LORD EQUIPS FOR WHAT HE CALLS US TO DO IN THE MINISTRY LIKE THIS STORY ..... A MAN

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. ARE U READY FOR BATTLE.... DO YOU HAVE YOUR ARMOUR ON.. Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: ARE U READY TO PRAY AT ALL TIMES. Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints ARE WE READY TO SPEAK BOLDLY FOR THE LORD. NOT ONLY ON THESE BOARDS BUT ALSO IN OUR WORK PLACE AT THE STORES WE SHOP AT. EVEN AMONG THE LOST OF OUR FAMILY ..... WHICH I KNOW SOMETIMES IS HARD. Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. ARE WE READY FOR THE BATTLE AHEAD OF US. IF NOT LET US GET READY .... PRAYED UP FASTED UP STUDIED UP. . FOR EACH DAY IS A SPIRITUAL BATTLE .... WE NEED TO BE READY TO DEFEAT THE DEVIL IF WE DONT KNOW THE WORD OF GOD WE CANNOT DEFEAT HIM...... SO CHRISTIANS I MUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO STUDY PRAY AND FAST .... SEEK THE LORD WHILE HE MIGHT BE FOUND...... GOD BLESS U ALL LOVE YOU ALL MAY THE LORD COME SOON LORD JESUS COME QUICKLY

COMPARE THE WORD KNEW IN THESE TWO SCRIPTURES... BOTH MEAN THE SAME THING.... Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Mt 1:25 - And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

THUS HE COULD MAKE UP THE MYTH ABOUT THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION MAKING MARY SINLESS COULDNT HE OR SAY MARY WAS A VIRGIN ALLOF HER LIFE BOTH ARE BLASPHEME AND CONTARY TO THE WORD OF GOD THE BIBLE

I NOTICED THAT U SAID THAT THE CURCH DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THE POPE AS INFALLIABLE...... WELL IN THE EIGHTEEN HUNDREDS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DECLARED THE POPE INFALLIABLE.... COULD U PLEASE EXPLAIN IF THE CHURCH DOES NOT RECOGNIZE INFALLIABLE WHY DID IT MAKE THAT STATEMENT THANK U WILL WAIT FOR YOUR ANSWER AFTER I GO WORSHIP THE LORD

amen artslady...... now another one is this. ........ in genisus three is says that adam knew eve meaning having sex so that they could have children.... In MATTHEW 1; 24,25 is says that Joesph knew mary meaning that they had sex..... after JESUS was born...... a marriage is no legal unless it is comsumated by jewish law. thus they had to of had sex for them to be legally married. again proof that mary was not a virgin FOREVER

Wicca is a common and much older name for witchcraft. The term witchcraft has been defined in different ways. In the past it has most often referred to the human harnessing of supernatural powers for the malevolent purpose of practicing black magic. For this reason, witchcraft, sorcery, and magic are nearly synonymous. Witchcraft is not, however, synonymous with Satanism. Not all witches worship Satan, and in fact many do not believe in Satan at all. Nor do they believe in hell, evil, or original sin. These groups believe that Satan is an imaginary creation of the Christian Church. If they believe in Satan at all they will tell you that the devil is just another Christian diety. They also do not believe in demons, and their deities are considered to be "imminent", or within each of us, meaning that everyone is actually deity. Much like the New Age Movement, most Wiccans do not accept the belief that there is good or evil. They argue that there are only forces that must be balanced. Evil is just a necessary part of good and the negative can be transmuted into the positive (a basic belief of medieval alchemy). While political views are not universal among witches, most support neo-tolerance. There is no absolute truth. What's true for you may not be true for me, so everything is true, just pick one. They also are strong supporters of women's rights and matriarchy, sexual "freedom" (including homosexuality, polyamory, non-monogamy, sexual activity by teens), abortion, and the abolition of Christianity from public life, especially in schools and governmental functions. In recent years there have been lawsuits filed by Pagans against such things as "In God We Trust", student-led prayer in schools, the Ten Commandments, and Christian symbols, such as the Cross, in city and county seals. However, many are also active in getting the schools to teach the Wiccan holidays (Halloween, Winter Solstice, etc.), pagan elements of "Earth Day", and Pagan symbolism. An ally in the fight to introduce pagan earth worship into the schools is found in the United Nations as they are working to promote the Earth Charter in education, a document that contains much pagan tradition and doctrine. The definitive start of the modern witchcraft era began with Gerald Gardner (1884-1964). As an archaeologist, Gardner had accumulated an extensive occult background. While in Southeast Asia, he learned the secrets of the Malaysian magical knife and became a Mason and a nudist. In 1939 when he returned to England an avid occultist, he became a member of the Corona Fellowship of Rosicrucians where he met Dorothy Clutterbuck. Clutterbuck initiated Gardner into witchcraft. Gordon wrote two books, one of which he claimed was to record accurately the history and practice of witchcraft, as he felt it was dying out. J. Gordon Melton stated in his review of Gardner's book Witchcraft Today, "Research suggests that Gardner did not discover a pre-existing Witchcraft group". A paper by Gardner published by Ripley's Believe it or Not disclosed that Gardner took the magical resources he acquired in Asia and a selection of Western magical texts and created a new religion centered upon the worship of the Mother-Goddess." This was an important beginning in witchcraft, for it is the worship of the Mother-Goddess that has become the focus of modern witchcraft. From Gardner's writings, greatly influenced by Aleister Crowley, Theosophy, Freemasonry, ritual/sex magic, and numerous other occult sources, emerged modern day Wicca. NOW THEY DO BELIEVE A BUNCK OF JUNK DONT THEY ......

Religious humanism maintains that all associations and institutions exist for the fulfillment of human life. The intelligent evaluation, transformation, control, and direction of such associations and institutions with a view to the enhancement of human life is the purpose and program of humanism. Certainly religious institutions, their ritualistic forms, ecclesiastical methods, and communal activities must be reconstituted as rapidly as experience allows, in order to function effectively in the modern world. -- Humanist Manifesto Humanism is an ideological, political, and religious belief that denies the existence of God. Atheists are humanist, as are new-agers, and many others. The theory of evolution was developed by humanists to create a world devoid of God. Humanism today is prevalent in our media, schools, and government. The religious humanist believes, as the Humanist Manifesto states, that the religions of the world are outdated due to a vastly increased knowledge and experience, and are powerless to solve the problem of human living in this time. Christians know the power of God, but to the humanist the human is divine and must be responsible for furnishing adequate human goals and providing for the spiritual needs of today. Because humanists believe that the universe and its peoples are self-existing and not created, they believe humanism is the only religion capable of leading humans along the evolutionary path to "Christ Consiousness". In humanism there is no right or wrong, only experience and an endless struggle to become enlightened, to evolve. CONTENDER MINISTRIES .COM MAY THESE HELP U TO UNDERSTAND WHERE SOME ARE COMING FROM IN THIER LIVES AND JUST MAYBE U CAN SEE A WAY TO HELP SOME GET SAVED

well , young MAN ..... The LORD loves you and wants you not to go to hell ... that simple. THE LORD SAYS NONE ARE GOOD NOT ONE.. meaning not one of us is good or could ever begood enough ot stand before him. all of our righeousness is as filthy rags to him..... We all are sinners and we ll need the saviour JESUS CHRIST . JESUS CHRIST ISTHE SON OF GOD.... THE ONLY GOD THE CREATOR. . YOU CAN CHOSE TO BELIEVE IN HIM OR REJECT HIM. YOUR CHOICE. BUT HE LOVES YOU JESUS BORN OF A VIRGIN CAME TO THIS EARTH TO BREAK DOWN THE BARRIER OF OUR SINS,,,,,, WE ALL ARE SINNERS U AND I AND EVERY PERSON WHO EVER LIVED BUT JESUS. BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST WAS PERFECT HE BECAME THE PERFECT SACRIFICE FOR OUR SIN..... HE PAID THE PRICE FOR OUR SINS. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. OUR SINS COME AT A VERY HIGH PRICE.... VERY HIGH. FOR GOD TO COME AS A MAN,,,,,, JESUS , AND DIE ON A CROSS, WHICH IS A CURSE. IN ITSELF.... HE BECAME OUR SINS.... HE TOOK ON ALLOF OUR SICKNESSES...... SO THAT WE MIGHT HAVE LIFE ETERNAL... YOU SEE GOD BEING HOLY CANNOT BE IN THE PRESENSE OF SIN... BUT JESUS PAID THAT PRICE THUS IF WE MAKE HIM OUR SAVIOUR.... WE ARE CLEANSED FROM OUR SINS...... WE THUS CAN BE IN THE PRESENSE OF GOD NOT IN HELL BUT WE MUST REPENT OF OUR SINS AND ASK JESUS CHRIST TO BE OUR SAVIOUR..... THERE IS ONLY ONE CHANCE IN THIS WORLD.... Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: FAITH IS THE ANSWER.... TO IT ALL YOU MUST HAVE FAITH IN THE ONLY TRUE GOD.... THAT HE LOVES YOU AND WANTS THE VERY BEST FOR YOU........ NOW IT IS YOUR CHOICE. ..... REMEMBER JESUS LOVES YOU AND WOULDNOT HAVE U PERISH

THE WORD SAYS Pro 18:22 [Whoso] findeth a wife findeth a good [thing], and obtaineth favour of the LORD. Now I WOULD PRAY TRIBUTE TO MY WIFE. I know that the LORD looked on me very favorably a few years ago when we met. and ended up married.. We had both lost our spouses to death. and were not planning on getting married again but I feel from every fiber of my body. That the LORD saw us as two servants in need of companionship.... Someone who loved him as muich as the other one does and soneone who would pray for the other I PRAISE THE LORD GOD FOR A PRAYING LOVING WIFE ... THE WIFE OF PROVERBS 31 ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY DARE BABY, I LOVE YOU AND I WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW IT... PRAISE YE THE LORD FOR YOU AND EVERY THOUGHT OF YOU

What the Mormon Missionaries Won't Tell You -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mormonism Links.... MormonismA Comparison of Mormonism and ChristianityMormon views of God and ChristWhat the Missionaries won't tell youQuotes from MormonismSecrets of the TempleSalvation in MormonismQuestions Mormons will AskFalse Prophecies of Joseph Smith Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about: They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: "The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. "I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. "Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) "I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. "..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125) They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) "But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land. http://www.contenderministries.org/mormoni...issionaries.php

A Christian Response to Wicca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The person involved in witchcraft may claim that the Bible does not condemn witchraft, since they assert that the real interpretation of the Hebrew word for "witchcraft" should be sorcery, divination and those who practice such things. Response: The Bible categorically denounces any and all occultic practices. Deuteronomy 18:10-12 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your god will drive out those nations before you. The New Testament also condemns such practices (Galatians 5:20). In the city of Ephesus many who were practicing in the occult became believers in Jesus Christ and renounced their occultic practices. "Many also of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of all" (Acts 19:19). Another encounter with the occult can be seen in Acts 13:6-12 And when they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. But Elymas the magician (for thus his name is translated) was opposing them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. But Saul, who was also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixed his gaze upon him. And he said, "You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and not see the sun for a time." And immediately a mist and a darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking those who would lead him by the hand. Then the proconsul believed when he saw what happened, being amazed at the teaching of the Lord. The Bible in the strongest terms condemns the occult and those who practice it. The road of the occult is broad and leads to destruction, while the way of Christ is narrow and leads to life eternal. Other Verses: Ex. 22:18; Lev. 19:26,31, 20:6,27; 1 Sam. 15:23a; 2 Kings 23:24; I Chron. 10:13; Is. 2:6, 8:19-20, 47:13-14; Ez. 13:20-23; Dan. 2:27-28, 5:15-17; Acts 13:7-10a, 16:16-18; Gal. 5:19-20; Rev. 22:15 They may argue that sorcery is black magic used for evil, and that they practice white magic, magic for good. Response: The Bible makes no distinction between good or bad magic or sorcery. All sorcery comes from the same source and is abhorred by God. See verses above. Many non-Christians see the return of Christ as a horrible thing. Witches will scoff at this saying "Our Goddess isn't some spiteful deity that will one day wipe out the Earth. She loves us enough to let us do what we want and make our own choices". Response: Love implies a relationship. If the goddess is in us, if the goddess is us, and is the earth, trees and that rock over there, it is impossible to have a relationship with her and it is impossible to be loved by her. God can be separate from you and be closer than anything else. The holy spirit can be in you, yet you are not God. It is this separateness that allows Christ to strengthen us. We are weak, but through Him we have strength. Because He is distinct from us He can provide us guidance, he can listen to us, he can love us. He couldn't do this if he were only another aspect of our being or of nature. Pagans believe there is no absolute truth, therefore, there is no right and wrong. Response: This is immediately a contradictory statement because people who believe in an absolute truth such as the Bible must then be wrong. The pagan will admit they believe Christians are wrong, forgetting they don't believe in a right way or a wrong way. The chances of doing something in this life that doesn't affect someone else in some way at some point are very low. Without guidance or a set of moral standards, we will negatively affect someone else. This is a fact and it is sin. The pagan will argue that we shouldn't impose our beliefs on them. They will also say that we shouldn't harm the environment. But, if I'm an atheist and believe the Earth is just a rock, I should then be able to do anything I want to the environment. To say I can't, is to say my belief is wrong. The point is, it is not possible to say all ways are truth and there is no right or wrong. For the Pagan to say there is no right or wrong is to say the Earth is Goddess, but the Earth is also not Goddess because the atheist is right too. Realizing this impossibility should alert the Pagan to the reality that there is truth out there. As eternity is at stake, it is a good idea to seek it out and listen with this new appreciation for truth. Jesus gives us a clear vision of how He wants us to live our lives. We may not always like what he says, but that doesn't mean it isn't good for us. As God gives us moral guidance, he also gives us the Holy Spirit to help us. When we accept Christ, the Holy Spirit works in us making us want to do good. Having a relationship with Christ is not a set of rules and regulations meant to punish us. It's a new life and a new appreciation for the truth. And God is there to help us. Witches believe in endless reincarnation and Karma that is passed on from life to life as you struggle to reach enlightenment. Response: There is no Choice in Paganism. No matter what you do or what you believe, your life is heading toward the same truth, the same goddess. This goddess offers no end to the wheel of life cycles and has nothing more to offer you than a broken record and eternal punishment for past mistakes. Jesus offers so much more. He loved us so much that He died on the cross so that we can spend eternity in heaven. He gave us choice. The choice to choose Him or not to choose to be with Him. Jesus does not demand that we spend life after life trying to improve our karma, while not remembering what we did to deserve the less-than-perfect karma rating that led us back to earth again. He does not expect you to be punished for a previous life's karma only to pass your karma on to another life for more endless punishment. All he asks is that you believe in Him and accept his free gift of an eternity with Him. For many Pagans the Christian belief in hell is a major obstacle. They see Christians as Cruel and heartless for believing that humans would go to hell for not believing in Christ. This usually comes from an incomplete understanding of what hell is and the free will that God gave us to choose our future. Response: First of all, Hell was created for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41, 2 Peter 2:4). The devil is a sinner and has sinned from the beginning (I John 3:8). So, hell is a place for sin and death. Why would God create a place for sinners to go, they might ask. Why would God create sin? God didn't create sin. It is a natural result of giving us free will. We are not robots put on earth and allowed only to do what God would have us do. God gave us freedom to choose and to enter into a relationship with Him freely. A relationship is no relationship at all if a person is forced to love. Pagans will also argue that no one would choose hell, so it is only because of a lack of knowledge that they would go there and that is unfair. Response: Throughout our society we see many people make bad choices with severe consequences and they were fully aware of their actions. People drive drunk, do drugs, and break the law. There are consequences for those actions and we don't assume they didn't know what they were doing. It all comes back to choice and freedom, something we all cherish and wouldn't want to live without. It is not unfair to be punished for our actions. Even nature shows evidence of consequences for our actions. Believing in Christ is an action. It is the basis for how we live our lives, and there are consequences for those who choose to live apart from God just as there are consequences for those who make bad choices in society. It really isn't so foreign. Christians are those who choose to live with Christ for eternity. Non-Christians are those who don't. Heaven is a gift to those who choose it. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life". Hell is a place for those who have chosen to live apart from God, to whom God will say "Your will be done". Why doesn't God give us a second chance? Response: Again this comes back to free will. If God manipulates the choice it isn't really free will is it? Choosing to follow Christ after experiencing the reality of hell is like choosing to bet on a horse race moments before the winner crosses the finish line. God made the evidence of His presence overwhelming. He gave us His Word in the Bible, He sent his Son to die for us, and he created the amazing universe we live in. He also gave us guidelines to live by because He wants peace and happiness for us. He didn't want us to live in chaos without Him, only to accept Him when the race is finished. God is a personal God who loves us and wants us to have hope, a hope that he freely gives. But, it is up to us to choose eternity with Him or apart from Him. God is honoring the right of those he created to make their own choices. We are not just a means to an end. He loves us and created us as unique individuals. He will reward us and receive us with open arms if we choose Him. FROM CONTENDER MINISTRIES.COM

JAKE . i know what u mean about leading someone to the LORD AND THAT IS THAT..... WELL, WHEN WE WERE FEEDING ON THE STREETS OF HOUSTON AND PREACHING IT WAS A JOB TO GET PEOPLE IN TO CHURCH OR EVEN STABLE LONG ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING HOWEVER ONE DAY MY PARTNER RAN IN TO ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE FEEDING..... HE HAS GOTTEN SAVED BUT REMAINED ON THE STREETS FOR A WHILE BUT HE EVENTUALLY FOUND A HOME A JOB A CHURCH AND GOT MARRIED. I AS A STREET PREACHER IN THOSE DAYS SAW VERY LITTLE OF OUR EFFORTS BUT THERE WAS SOME. MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU ........ KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK FRIEND AND BROTHER . RICH

well, our prayers have been answered JEB BUSH PULLED SOME STRINGS AND THEY PUT THE FEEDING TUBES BACK IN TERRI TO DAY....... DONT KNOW MUCH INFO BUT SHE IS EATING AGAIN PRAISE THE LOIRD HOWEVER LET US KEEP PRAYING FOR HER HEALING AND RESTORATION TO FULL HEALTH..... AMEN MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU ALL RICHARD

now i have a question for each one of us that are saved Did we not know that we were sinners and needed the saviour... when we got saved........ did we not repent right than....... i know i did.. I was in a motel room in AMARILLO TEXAS and i knwo thati ask forgiveness and turned away..... repented ..... from my sins...... i know that i did that..... for a fact.... and i knew that i was clean and my sins wer forgiven....... i know that DONT YOU...... WAHERE EVER YOU WERE. LOVE YOU ALL GOD BLESS U CHRISTIANS richard