endure4salvation

Howdy all! You knew I would chime in here! I don't know why, but for some reason the forum allowed me access today. I emailed George again to see if it is a problem on my side or what, but I am having a lot of trouble logging in. Anyway..... Baptism is a direct commandment from the Lord Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16, Matthew 28:19-20). Baptism is the way that we are united with Christ (Romans 6:3-6, Galatians 3:27). Baptism saves us and gives us a clear conscience before God (1 Peter 3:21). Baptism is an elementary doctrine in Christianity (Hebrews 6:2). Also.......... For emphasis sake......... Look closely at the conversion story of The Apostle Paul (then Saul). Acts 22 records the story. Acts 22:8 tells us that Jesus told Saul who He was. Acts 22:10 shows us that Saul BELIEVED and CONFESSED that JESUS IS LORD. Yet, in Acts 22:16 we read that Saul was still unbaptized and was told to be baptized.....why? TO WASH AWAY HIS SINS AND CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD!!!!!!!! This and Romans 6 are clear that tells us that BAPTISM is HOW we are UNITED with Christ and HOW we call upon the name of the LORD to be saved. Be blessed all.

Well, I am still having a lot of problems logging in here. Sorry again for being gone so much. God bless each of you. I will stop by when I can---when the cpu lets me that is!

Philippians 4:3 has a reference to a person named Clement. He wrote a few letters that may have made up part of the original texts that were to be selected from to complete the Bible. Here are two quotes from him: These two passages are complete and irrefutable proofs that OSAS was not the original teaching handed down by Paul and the other apostles.

I have asked this many times and it has gone completely ignored. How can a doctrine (OSAS) be true considering nobody taught it for 1,500 years?

Hey all! Sorry I have been away so much lately. I keep getting this message that I am not able to log in. I talked to George about it a while back and he said it was a glitch and that I should reboot and try again. I keep doing it, but it keeps messing up. Only once about every 10 times does it work, and as you could guess, this is the 10th (or so). If anybody wants to stop by my new site, click here and you should make it. Love you all!

Hey all. Sorry I have been away. I have been unable to log in for several days, and this has happened several times. Plus I am busy working on my own website and forum. Time consuming, but well worth the effort! The forum looks great IMHO~!

I was about 5 seconds away from committing suicide (self-murder). I know fully well that even though I was saved when I was young, I would not be allowed to enter heaven if I had.

John.3 [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Rom.5 [8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Yes Calamity! You are on the right track. God still loves sinners, yet he doesn't love sinners. How can we make these verses not be contradictory? Well, it seems that there are two types of love that God must have. A general love for all of mankind, and a close-knit, devout love for those whom are his children. Here is another verse: So according to this verse, you must obey Christ's commands and remain in His love so that you will remain in the Father's love. Again, if this person turns away from obeying Christ's commands, and then doens't remain in God's love, will the Father's love remail in him? No, it won't. But this person will still be loved by God. So it must be decided that there are two seperate loves here. A general love for all mankind, and a different love for those who love and are devoted to Him. Can God love someone and still cast them away from His presence and into the lake of fire?

Welcome back endure. I have to disagree with you on this. God loves us - period. He loves those that do not even believe He exists. Rom.5 [8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. It matters not one iota what your or I think. The only thing that matters is: WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY? If the Bible says something that contradicts what we believe, then we need to CHANGE WHAT WE BELEIVE TO LINE UP WITH GOD'S ABSOLUTE AND UNCHANING TRUTH. And, what does the Bible say?

I am back!!!!!!! There are times when I can't log in for a few days for some reason. George says to re-boot, but it still took a few days. Anyway..... God's love IS conditional based upon our obedience. If we turn away from God, he will no longer love us. Reference Hosea 9:10-15

WOW! I sure have missed a lot here! I have been away----starting my own forum (if anybody wants the link PM me). I think that I am glad that I bowed out of this discussion.

The Apostle Judas Iscariot became a murderer, and 1 John 3 tells us that no murderer has eternal life in him. How it must greive God that he was so close to entering heaven and yet will miss out.

I say that because I heard on TV when they quoted from an old Hindu book that was written by a non-messianic Jew who was living under the roof of an Islamic descendant (although not an Arab, but an Asian) that it was when someone was able to mutter the phrase, "Big bad and bored Buddah brough books by borrowing blue glue from you." If you don't agree with me, you are unsaved.

Hey Wayne. Yes, you are right. I will also no longer post about OSAS for a while (unless people are asking sincere questions). I mean, what happened to the old covenant? It was broken by man!