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Clop clop clop clop. In times of joy, all of us wished we possessed a tail we could wag. W.H. Auden

Gee thanks, However: I still don't see the concept that God would have souls burn in hell for ever because they didn't accept his gift or were never exposed to his teachings anywhere near "justice" It is astonishing what force, purity, and wisdom it requires for a human being to keep clear of falsehoods. Margaret Fuller US Transcendentalist author & editor (1810 - 1850)

I find that definition of just a little off the mark somehow. The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. Martina Navratilova US (Czechoslovakian-born) tennis player (1956 - )

Then how did we get there before Jesus? or all these people burning in hell because Christ wasn't born yet. The dead might as well try to speak to the living as the old to the young. Willa Cather US novelist (1873 - 1947)

NO I think we have a basic disagreement. I say can see the light of Gods handy work in most of the religions that I've been in contact with making God less exclusive than you claim. You say you see God as having a hand in "the christian" religions only and access to God the exclusive right given to Christian believers. The rain fell alike upon the just and upon the unjust, and for nothing was there a why and a wherefore. W. Somerset Maugham, 'Of Human Bondage', 1915 English dramatist & novelist (1874 - 1965)

Well as usual forum hyjacked! Can't anyone stay on topic? If you want to discuss other things why don't you start your own thread? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree HST. I deleted all the silly posts that I saw. Report it if it continues. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> THX

Me too!!!! "Gotta disagree with you here. On the other side of the coin, the more you find out about other religions, the more you'll find that the keystone of the Christian faith is that we serve a risen Savior, instead of a dead leader, as most other religions now have... There is nothing "in common", in that sense, between Christianity and other faiths...ours has always been an exclusivistic faith (Paul's statements in Eph. 4, or Christ's own statement that 'no man comes to the Father except through Me' for example)." We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan, 1892, Act III Irish dramatist, novelist, & poet (1854 - 1900)

But a belief in God alone doesn't make you a christian! That also makes you wonder. My friend is one... who take me for what I am. Henry David Thoreau US Transcendentalist author (1817 - 1862)

Well as usual forum hyjacked! Can't anyone stay on topic? If you want to discuss other things why don't you start your own thread?

To start with I didn't say There was common themes with christianity I said "I believe that the more I know about other religions the more I will fine common themes of God in them." as to the rest let's just say we disagree and leave mit at that Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. Socrates Greek philosopher in Athens (469 BC - 399 BC)

A very narrow line isn't it Life is not so bad if you have plenty of luck, a good physique and not too much imagination. Christopher Isherwood

That's another very good question and a very detailed view to say the least. Dante was my first experience with a view of hell. Dante's vision of hell is so logical and and so organized that now I 'm not sure it fits with the concept of hell but would be a good thread to run with. However that's not what this thread is about and unlike most other threads here I'd like this one to try to stay on topic. The price one pays for pursuing any profession or calling is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side. James Baldwin US author (1924 - 1987)

No that's plenty. However it appears that you have proven your self wrong. as it stands and noting the examples you provided this would seem to fall in the fair use area of the copyright law. Section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified in that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include -- the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; the nature of the copyrighted work; the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors. (Emphasis added) The example below is not the exact condition we have here but comparisons can be made. In 1973, the plaintiff wrote a book based on interviews with women about their own pregnancies and abortions. The defendant wrote his own book on the same subject and sought permission to use lengthy excerpts from the plaintiff's work. The plaintiff refused permission, and the defendant proceeded to publish his work with the unpermitted excerpts. Purpose: Although defendant's book was published by a commercial press with the possibility of monetary success, the main purpose of the book was to educate the public about abortion and about the author's views. Nature: The interviews were largely factual. Amount: Quoting 4.3 percent of the plaintiff's work was not excessive, and the verbatim passages were not necessarily central to the plaintiff's market. Effect: The court noted that the plaintiff's work was out of print and not likely to appeal to the same readers. This case affirms that quotations in a subsequent work are permissible, sometimes even when they are lengthy. Implicit throughout the case is the fact that the plaintiff was unwilling to allow limited quotations in a book that argued an opposing view of abortion; thus, fair use became the only effective means for the second author to meaningfully build on the scholarly works of others. I look at this forum as basic education and a place to discuss issues. The difficulty lies, not in the new ideas, but in escaping the old ones, which ramify, for those brought up as most of us have been, into every corner of our minds. John Maynard Keynes English economist (1883 - 1946)

And you know this how? Those who become enamored of practices without science are like sailors who go aboard ship without a rudder and compass, for they are never certain where they will land. Leonardo da Vinci, The Wisdom of Leonardo da Vinci Italian engineer, painter, & sculptor (1452 - 1519)