littleladyinblack

The suicide count as been up since the last 45 years.

There is no more big wars.

The reason suicide is going up is because there is no war.

That is my humble opinion.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I hope you weren't being serious :-|

Hold on...

You guys can voice your opinions on how great George Bush is and everyone else is expected to smile and nod, whether we agree or not?

These are discussion forums...

M'Lady:

Well, I personally cannot see anything morally repugnant about killing an abortician.  I see it is illegal of course, but killing Joseph Mengele would have been illegal in NAZI Germany in 1944 too.  Yet if a German of conscience had killed Mengele, he would have been hailed in the U.S. as a hero (and quite rightly so!).  These aborticians are certainly no better than Mengele........

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And then everyone who has a cause will go around killing people they believe are being immoral and it will be some weird form of anarchy/chaos.

Yeah... that'll work.

M'Lady:  No.  Grammatically it is like saying, "Not all Christians kill aborticians, but almost everyone who has killed an abortician is a Christian."  That too would be a correct statement.

Re:  Tim Mcvey, what about the 'Middle Eastern looking men in blue jogging suits' who helped Mcvey carry out his dastardly deed?  The Middle Eastern connection to the Oklahoma city bombing is clear, so this actually chips away further at any denial of the given premise that 'almost all terrorists are Muslim.'

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So you honestly think those people who kill abortionists are actually "Christians"?

They give a bad name to Christianity, maybe.

Lady in Black; these concerns are addressed above in this and other threads.

SS,

If it is alright for a man to marry a man, and a man to marry five men, then is it not also alright for a man to marry a horse or a dog?

Where do we draw the line here?

If marriage can't be defined to just one man and one woman, then there is no reason to define marriage at all.

Grant marriage benefits to men and woman who choose to marry animals as well.

Why not marry your house or car?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Easy answer here...

Both men are able to clearly consent to the marriage. An animal cannot.

As long as it's consensual, it should be ok.

This would depend on your definition of "terrorist".

Some consider George Bush to be a terrorist.

What about Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold who went around terrorizing their innocent (?) classmates and teachers, killing over a dozen of them? They were American. What about Timothy McVeigh and his helpers who bombed a government bulding, killing dozens of innocent children? They were American too.

How about all the radical pro-lifers blowing up abortion-clinics?

What about the sniper? The dictator? The mail-bombers?

Hmm, I don't recall Hitler being Muslim either...

Oh right, Hitler was a Christian.

Don't be so racist. People make me sick.

suicide= a selfish act of self pity, also something that is a man made choice not a natural thing.

homosexuality= a selfish act of self-gratification, also something that is a man made choice not a natural thing

why are we suprised there is a link between the two?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow - I found that post VERY offensive, as a gay-rights activist and as someone who suffers from depression. Before you try to make some sort of connection there, I might as well state that I'm straight, not that it really matters.

I agree that suicide is a selfish act, my Dad attempted suicide a couple weeks ago and decided to leave a message on my answering machine informing me that he was going to kill himself, before he made his attempt. I don't think I could describe in words how upset I was and still am. It makes me wonder though, how much pain someone has to be in when they make the decision to end their own life. I've felt inclined to do so many times, but haven't because I don't want to do that to my family. But there are some people who's depression has clouded their thoughts so much, that they don't realize what they're doing or honestly don't think anyone would miss them.

I have a lot of friends who are gay or bisexual, and we agree that they are very lucky to be living in a city like Toronto where it's widely accepted. I can only imagine what it would be like to be gay and live in a place where everyone considers it to be an "abomination".

The movie "Boys Dont Cry" really hit home for me.

Anyways, I find it very amusing hearing Christians whine about people who heckle them, yet Christians are the first to show up at gay fests with signs stating that they're going to hell.

It's SO sad that so many of these teens are so insecure about their sexual orientation and being ostracized about it, that they would kill themselves.

What's worse, is that I don't see much empathy.

The Christians shouldn't be at a Gay Fest if they are opposing homosexuality.

That's like a guy going around with a pro-Bush sign at a peace rally - of course its going to create a ruckus. Their fault, they're paying the price.

Chazy.

Since im not Christian, in my world, there is no Heaven and Hell. So the threat of me going to Hell is very minimal.

The threat of you going to hell is very real. Your belief of that may be minimal, though.

Trust God.

Nothing of this world is by accidental chance.

t.

Thats only your belief my dear. Everyone seems to have their own idea of where im going. Christians think im going to Heaven or Hell, Buddhists think im going to be reincarnated... theres also Nirvana, space and nothingness.

So apparently my own belief doesnt count :-)

Chazy.

littlelady....

i'm not pushing, i just really want to know. do you feel any resentment when people tell you that there is no second chance? do you occasionally, deep in the hidden parts of your heart, wish you could trust in God? do you really want nothing to do with Him at all?

nobody can judge your heart chazy. only God knows what you don't even acknowledge to yourself. i can't tell you God has turned you over to your reprobate mind, nor can i tell you you're only backslidden with a chance to be redeemed, because that is not for me to know, or to judge.

but i have a hard time believeing that you'd be hanging around with us here at worthyboards if God wasn't working on you.... and God doesn't work on anyone who's been turned over to a reprobate mind.

I dont feel resentment when people tell me there is no second chance. Actually, I feel resentment when people try to tell me that there IS something after death.

Im a Skeptical Agnostic, so thats implying that im not completely cutting off the possibility of God, but I doubt He exists.

Since im not Christian, in my world, there is no Heaven and Hell. So the threat of me going to Hell is very minimal. If people tell me that im going there or that im evil, I dont care. Its like a little kid telling me that Santa Claus is coming.

Hence the term "reprobate" doesnt affect me.

Chazy.

why did you say goodbye littlelady? i'm not being facetious here, there are many of us who would really like to understand why someone would know Jesus and then choose to reject Him. please share your experience with us.

I was apparently every Mothers dream kid until I hit high school (hard to imagine huh?).

I went to Church camp, my Mom was my best friend, I had decent grades... I was a bookworm, volunteer, girlscout, athlete, and I dreamed of becoming a Doctor.

Then I got to high school which was great for me socially, but I got caught in the hussle and bustle of a school with 4,000 people.

I barely passed all my courses and my stepdad left and moved to the US (which wasnt such a big deal to me... enter my disgusting apathy).

Grade 10 rolled around and I finally began to get annoyed at my father who always called when he was drunk or high (during that divorce when I was 4, he was given the choice of AA or me and he refused to go to AA... so my Mom and I moved to Toronto).

I failed some courses in Grade 10, was having attention problems, the classes I didnt fail I got 50s in and I found solace in rock and metal bands.

I began to self-injure that year, and I started reflecting my mood on my clothes.

Long story short, everything bad happened and simply waking up in the mornings was the worst part of my day because I wasnt dead. My last year of Bible camp wasnt a good one, because I was the odd kid out (no one talks to the Goth unless they are trying to "convert" them) and the councellors were annoyed at my skepticism. I started thinking that in reality, the chance of an all-powerful being was pretty unlikely. Id pray, something good would happen and id think "hey, maybe there IS a God".

Eventually the misery outweighed the happiness.

Too many Christians started to annoy me by continuing to try to help me "find God" when I didnt want their help. I could tell they were judging me.

My Mom became the worst, and still is. I try to be open-minded, and she always says "support your own!" when I learn about other religions. I am constantly being ranted at about believing in a God that I think is either non-existant or really mean.

Id probably get edited for mentioning some of the things Im into these days, but I like myself in some really weird on-again, off-again way. That probably doesnt make sense to you considering it doesnt really make sense to me.

Im currently very happy with my religion (Agnostic), because it has no defining lines. It doesnt try to tell me that there IS a God or that there ISNT. There are no rules, codes, judgements. Im comfortable where I am, and at times just a little bitter at everyone else. Anyways ive basically written a book and I dont think you got anything out of it except that I like to rant and complain.

Chazy.

I dont think so.

I asked Jesus into my heart once, then I said goodbye.

According to many Christians, theres no way im getting into Heaven these days.

Chazy.

Pfft. Ive got piercings, I dont regret one.

There are many beautiful religious tattoos that ive seen on people. Many Christians have their ears pierced... I dont see how eyebrow, nose, lip etc. is much different. Its all according on how you personally feel about it.

Chazy.

Athiests are people, and citizens too.

No matter WHAT George Bush says.

Chazy.

Whatever happened to Christians being non-judgemental?

All im seeing is prejudiced hatred happening.

The world is dying, so are we.

Chazy.

Get over yourselves.

If you people took any time to actually learn a little bit about the actual religion of Islam, you would know that terrorism is NOT a part of their religion.

Its not like your history has been perfect.

Chazy.

I dont know much... ok I dont know anything about the 10 Horns.

But it sounds kind of important?

So I will smile and nod :-)

Chazy.

Its very hard to arrest someone who is already dead, in the case of suicide-bombing.

I wouldnt trust the judicial system if my life depended on it.

I dont know if you are familiar with the West Memphis Three, but it is one of MANY cases in which someone was sentenced to death without enough evidence to even raise an eyebrow. Then there are the high school students who go around killing their classmates because they've been submitted to a life of physical/verbal abuse.

To the cops, students getting beaten up and laughed at every day isnt a good enough reason for them to eventually snap, so naturally the cops blame it in ridiculous things like clothing, music, video-games etc. Then we have a bunch of kids being detained because they were reported as being "anti-social" (Oh my goodness, not anti-social?! What are we gonna do?!).

Apply this to a larger scale and we are in trouble. Going after the wrong people, jumping to quick conclusions, letting emotions get in the way.

Its hopeless really.

Chazy.

Shadow2b... I was talking about religious persecution...

Rather than certain countries being stupid.

Chazy.

"Thou shalt not kill."

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

Say some idiots from the US decide to plant a bomb on the London Tower Bridge.

The Bridge blows up, many innocent people die, and England is fuming.

What would you do if England started bombing the US or targeting Americans?

Who, in their eyes, are the "evil-doers". Just because there are some complete morons in Iraq, doesnt mean that there arent just as many (or more) innocent people.

And someone please tell me, WHAT the deal was with the POWs being tortured?!?!

Chazy.

I was at a peace march :-/

Contrary to popular belief, we think 9/11 was an absolutely horrific thing...

We just dont want to see it end in WWIII.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein

Marilyn: Not all Muslims are like that.

I went to a Mosque as part of a study that I was doing in a World Religions course a couple years ago. I had to wear a hijab and conservative clothing (long skirt, concealing top) and all that. The visit was sometime after 9/11 and the man who was showing me around stressed to me that 9/11 was NOT an act of Islam. He told me it was as much an act of Islam as the holocaust was an act of Christianity. Some extremist got an idea in his messed up head to do something "in the name of religion" and got a bunch of followers to help him out. In the Qur'an, it is stressed that a Muslim should not kill. So in the eyes of many Muslims, Osama and his followers are NOT true Muslims. I enjoyed the experience and learned a lot about Islam.

Need I even bring up the Salem Witch Trials Marilyn?

Chazy.

Christians havent been persecuted as much as they have persecuted others.

I would like to see Canada become a country where anyone can be free to be themselves, and worship who they want to worship, when they want to worship.

I am actually quite happy that gay couples are finding refuge here. There arent many countries in the world who can claim to have this much tolerance.

Imagine being gay and living in Iraq or something.

Ive heard people on these boards refer to us as "Pagan Canada" simply because our belief system is so different from that of the US's. If we are forced to say prayer in public school, and live as a country under God... I would think that THATS a lack of freedom. Freedom to believe in what one wants.

Chazy.