GymRose

Simply because we are still human, and subject to all that entails. When we are saved, our soul is secure, but our bodies are still flesh. The spirit and the flesh are at constant odds with each other until that Blessed day when we meet our Lord.

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How can you put what I was trying to say in all that long post into one small line like that............................. ???????????????????? ROFL ROFL

A good preacher will encourage you to test the words with the Bible................ To tell you to check it out for yourself not just believe the words from their mouth.

Then there is the question of interpretation, which stumps me................... Somethings ARE cut and dried like sin is sin, none worse than another in Gods eyes and yet we play down our own, like we haven't murdered but we may have told a white lie..................... God says sin is sin.

But then there are some things not as cut and dried and there is also the question of culture and were certain laws for certain groups because of certain things etc.........

Personally I think the best teacher is His spirit in us.............. We all know what conviction feels like and as we read we should listen to our inner still voice.

I've sat in meetings before and had things that were being preached just not sit right but the fact is we are all human and don't get it right all the time and teachers and preachers are no different.

Make sure you get the chance to walk DOWN some stairs...................... Then you'll know they are sore.

ROFL :oww: ROFL :oww: ROFL

Hey Ya Yukon :hug: :hug: :hug:

You know where to find me ..................... Hey Darl?

I don't think you could ever miss out on exercise with the way you live girl. Dan still wants to come and visit.................. Dunno I don't think I'd ever get him to come home if he did but.

He is getting alot of exercise done with renovations at the moment. Wont be long before we have the place done the way we want it for people to stay..........HINT HINT

Tis nice you wanted to say hi. Thanks for thinkin of me............ Been a hard day and it was nice to hear from a friend at the end of it. :hug: :hug: :hug:

Eh, i'm going to have to ask for sources on that. Why would a company ban something after it was successful? That makes no sense in a capitolistic society. Something brings in a lot of money and they ban it?

It wasn't banned by the company but by the people who oversee how things are being marketed, to protect people...................... Something that is no longer around but was there during that period.

LOL................... I also said questionable lyrics......................

I was involved in a major accident years ago, I had a Jesus sticker on my car and was playing christian music at the time........................... I quite litterally should be dead from that accident............... Our cars hit head on driver to driver as I was doing 60 km/h ( approx 35 mile/hour ) the other car out of control flew over ( literally flew ) the medium strip at an even greater speed and killed the passenger and did massive amounts of damage to all occupants of both cars.

The officer investegating the crash after I was released from hospital said someone was deffinetly watching over you and your son................ I came awy with a broken elbow & cheek along with black, very black bruises and cuts all over, Rhys had a scratch on his neck and my friend who was with me had a cut on her forehead..................... The other car had one fatality, the driver took months to rhabilitate because of the seriousness of his crushed legs, 2 dogs and a girl that were in the back seat came away very shaken but pretty OK.

The officer also said all I have to do is check the tape or music people are listening to and look at the stickers on their car and in almost every case where drug use, drink or wild behaviour is involved the music in the car is heavy metal or music with questionable lyrics.

This man was not a christian at all but he could clearly see the link between music and behaviour.

Also with the marketing thing............. I think it was in the 70s or early 80s they tried putting a song on in the supermarkets at normal shopping centre level and just slightly quieter they put an add on at the asame time for Coke and sales went through the roof.......................... Thus it was banned!!!! It worked too well and a ban was placed on it.

Tis not only sound but look at the adds on TV and all the shows like CSI etc. Great shows and drama but what about the subtle desensitization to death and murder.

As I read many of the comments and perhaps down right hate filled comments from those that should realise we will never change someone to Christ is we attact them.

We have to show them a better way, and honestly most Christians today are not doing a good job of that. We talk about the JW or the Church of Jesus Chrsit of Latter Day Saints ( heck we don't even like to use thier real name) we attack the flaws in thier religions without ever taking time to see some of the good they also teach.

If we take it from the good points and show them something better, would not most peeople want the better. If you merely tell them they are wrong, and do it in bitter tones, how will that ever attact anyone. Even Christians.

I visited one of the other boards, and saw where the discussion was keeping the head covered for women in church. The almost complete agreement was that people were free to choice how they followed Christ. This has been the trouble for 1000 years, people have chosen thier own paths, declaring they are free from doing things as the New Testement declares. They want to pick and choose which part of the New Testement, they want to follow. Or they will pick one verse over another verse as being more important. And of course worst of all, take the verse at face value as to how it is used in todays English without looking how it is used correctly in the orginal langauge.

How can we ever show the JW or the CJCLS, the correct method of Christianity, if we as Christians can not even descide amoung ourself, or even worship together.

We locally try to have some joint services, and at one month a year, a visit, where people from all the downtown churches visit the church of other groups on a Thursday at noon. Well guess what, certain denomnations will not go to other churches because 1. Some use music instruments ( surely of the devil)

2. Others speak in touges ( surely of the devil) 3. Others have statues of saints

( of the devil) 3. Some have women ministers ( of the devil) 4. Another allows homosexuals into the church ( of the devil)

Get the idea, it is easy to set back and declare someone we learn about fom other hate forums, or believe everything we read on web sites of hate.

How many people ever actually went into a JW service ???? Actually read , not what someone else said, but actually read the Book of Mormon.

I would say that in many ways, most denominations have about as much bad to say about other christian goups as they do these groups also.

I am saying, why should we talk like a bunch of old "wash women" about someone else, let us show them by example what Christian love and being a Chrsitian is all about. To them, they believe they have something better than we have.

And to be perfectly honest, I would find some of the teachings and acceptance in some so called Christian churches much worst than that of some of the cultss

Look perhaps not at thier doctrine for a moment, but at thier "works" I would say that those cults are acting, at least to the outside world, as much better Chrsitians than almost any of the christian churches, in their teachings on family, good works, helping one another. This does not of course save them, or even justify them, But it does show that we as Christians will have to work very, very hard to show them a better way of life than what we are doing in the world today, and esp on this board.

Amen to all that.

We do the thing with all the different churches in our area getting together too and it is amazing how different groups with different ways of worshiping the same God can come together and worship as one.

I don't agree with JWs but I must say the links posted are really hype of those that don't understand them.

We live next door to a beautiful elderly couple who are JWs and I also was very briefly involved with them with my ex.

I don't agree with their method of disfellowship as my ex suffered greatly at the hands of this and lost many close friends, simply because he met me.

However I don't agree with this type of degrading of them either. The pics where they have smiling faces are about this world being over and being as they believe in paradise, it needs to be in it's correct context. Not taken out of context as these sites have done.

As for pedaphelia............ Can I say one thing.................. The Catholic Church!!! Really no one here would accept this being put on here about the Catholic Church and nor should this type of hype be taken into account just because it is a religon people like to snear at. JW and Mormons are definetly not main stream but well know religons just ( context ) like Christians. Catholic Churches are always under fire for sexual crimes within schools etc. This link and site needs to be put back where it belongs ......................... In the bin.

BTW I am a penticostal Christian not a Catholic but I'm sure there have been plenty of non Catholic Christian churches accused as well.

I had no idea Shadow, Dove and LadyC were gone too!!!!

These are some of the people who welcomed me as well as sharing wonderful testimonies & personal challenges with me through PM to encourage me through very difficult times along with LCP. I can't believe this................... :down: :down: :down: :down:

Tis good to see you like helpein out just to see someone happy and achieve a dream. I'm sorta doing that with a friend right now, she is my guinie pig for one of my assignments LOL.................. But it is nice to help just for the sake of it. She is about to go on a cruise and wants to look great for hubby................. Tis amazing what one person can do in about 8 weeks.

If you do want to make it a paid job another soultion is a mobile service. There are alot of people ( men & women ) who don't feel comfy in the gym but wish they could get the weight off.

I'm ganna start out mobile and we are slowly getting our way sorted to have a small home / commercial gym in our home. I intend on making it very exclusive with only 3 people training at a time.............. 2 working out by themselves and me training another. But when I say exclusive I don't mean outragesly priced............... For me it is about helping people and a bit of pocket money. I'm one of those who hates the gym by myself so I know how many others out there feel totally intimidated by it, including others studying to be PTs. I wont go unless I have booked in with my PT. I tried to overcome but ended up having panic attacks in the changerooms, belting through my workout & coming home and sleeping for the day because it took so much out of me......................... There are a lot of people out there that feel like I do.

I don't know what it is like in the US but I'm sure it would be simillar to here cause aren't our populations the most obese in the world.

Just something for you to ponder.

Hasn't anyone asked that yet?

Wouldn't you ask that if you had remembered to ask that?

You are very knowledgable Big Steve.................. Some good info there. Thanks for that. I'd love to see a pic of you................. We did that earlier in the thread. Not sure if ours are still up or not.

Ganna throw a spanner in the works on the cycling for women :suspect: :suspect: :oww: :oww: . What if she no longer has a cycle through either menopause of surgery should she go 4 or 8 week cycles with Trib? Just curious.

The feeling from helping others is amazing hey???

That is how this all started for me............... I found an excellent PT who helped me lose 30kg and feel like a new person with an amazing amount of new found energy and confidence. I wanted to give that feeling to others and that is why I decided to do my Certificates in Fitness to be a PT myself.

It's so amazing what helping others feels like.................. Giving is so much more rewarding than receiving.

Quite seriously the way this world is I think they have it completely right and if it weren't for the fact I have parents who are unwell who I need to be close to I would our family out woop woop and live the most simplistic life possible.

A non christian friend said to me the other day have you noticed how all our evening veiwing is murders at the moment, we have all the Law & Orders plus all the CSIs, Real Life murder solving, Lost Without a Trace, Cold Case............ etc. That is through the week every night on unpaid TV.......... not much time for anything else. On Pay TV can anyone point out a show that doesn't include sex, homosexuality, murder, abuse or some form of off adult content besides DIY shows. And really when you think about it the shows about the murders these days are really DIY murder shows for those that have a tendancy. I mean show the wrong person HOW TO and they WILL. Electricity in itself isn't evil but there is a lot of evil coming from it.

I get bombarded day after day with telemarketers and now if they can't get me on fixed line they try the mobile, sms and email.

Cars well I really don't need to say much about road rage and the fact that when we get home from where ever, we are steamed by the lack of care by other drivers and angry with ourselves for behaving in a similar matter due to getting so fed up.

We drive our kids here there and everywhere so they can fit in and play all the sport then have lil or no time for family and even when the sport is scaled down other things creep in.

Kids are confined as far as space goes to run because we have small back yard and you can't allow your kids even to go down the local park cause you just don't know who is lurking.

Oh for a more simplistic loving life where we know our neighbours and I don't mean just the ones next door if you get that opportunity but I mean our community of neighbours.

And amoungst all this where is our quantity of time with God.

Yup I think they have it right.

Do you not know that I am all bark and no bite!

Pssst...you're not supposed to admit that are you?

Prolly not but shouldn't we let our guard down and show our humility sometimes?

Or should we just stay cooped up in our own lil worlds and never venture outside of our selves to let another in?

Hey Ya Big Steve how much Trib do you take?

Most supps are cheaper in the US than here.

http://www.vitaminking.com.au/?page=shop/f...&product_id=44&

This is the one we use and the price. I certainly notice the difference, even for a woman I have extreemly low testosterone levels................ To the point it has been suggested by a specalist that I have an injection to sort out levels and that was after using Trib for a couple of weeks. So with me I don't know if it is more of a plecebo or if it gives me an increase I need for the workout. Either way I don't really care................. It makes me lift heavier and build muscle faster so I don't mind. Although I do find it hard, like at the moment, I need to keep my weights down and reps up to burn a lot of excess fat I have put on . Thats hard because for me doing weights is about how much I can challenge myself with how heavy I can go.................. But hey ya live and learn and the fat is coming off.

Dan says he can't feel any difference through his workouts but when he is taking Trib properly there is a big difference in the gains he makes.

I'd like to know what you take or what you recommend others take. And what your thoughts are as to weather or not women should take it every day or just on workout days.

I love the subject of supps it can get interesting.................... We had a heated debate during one lecture of the course those for and against............. :oww: :oww:

I too am glad this has taken off I missed no BB or health threads.

Hey Ya Steve

Ephedra was banned here cause the truckies used it to stay awake form what I understand. Caused too many deaths on the roads. It does all take away feedom of choice. In fact while doing the courses I have done in fitness certificates they were talking about testing for Creatine in athletes............ . But then that brings up the argument of how much meat athletes can eat too because one person might not eat much and have low creatine nbut the big meat eater is then penalised because they have higher creatine levels from their diet. Crazy stuff...................... It isn't going to happen but you can certainly see how it gets out of hand with all the banning.

Don't know what Big Steve thinks of this but I suggest pre and post workout shakes.

Before your workout have a shake with Creatine and L-Glutamine plus any other supps you choose to take then do the same after.

With the Creatine though I've read alot about how it doesn't like being in fluid so take a spoonful of the powder and then wash it down with water quick ............... Don't know how the syrums are supposed to work then but anyways that is what I've been taught so that is how I do it, you can also put it in your shake and throw it back quick but don't let it sit in the water.

Also just have water through your training.

When you say alternating aerobic is that day about or through one work out.

If you have fat to burn off incorperate cardio in the workout but if you don't have much fat to lose spend about 5-10 mins warming up and then hit the weights and do any extra cardio you want at the end of your workout.

Yukon Darl :hug: :hug: :hug: Be prayin for you.

Yeah supps were covered previously somewhere here but it doesn't mean we can't talk some more about it I find it fasinating. And we haven't heard the thoughts from you guys.

Dan and I use Creatine, L-Glutamine, Tribulus, Thermogen & of course the good ol Whey Protien. We are pretty empoverished here in Australia as far as supps goes I was told recently that the thermogen you guys have has Ephadra (sp? ) that is illeagal here so ours doesn't have that in it but it does give a good kick.

Creatine is the most widely studied supp available which every now and then appears to have a new spin on it and then seems to go back to the same research results again.

You'll have to let us all know what your thinking.

I'm sure Steve will have good answers.

Do you know that everyone of those things can be used for good? People with pasts like yours can often be the greatest witness to another.

Have you turned from all those things and has the difficulties you face with your body stopped you from coming to God.

If you can survive all you have and end up being physically challenged AND still turn to God YOU ARE NOT A FAILURE!!!!!!

Failure is giving up............. Failure would be saying it is too hard to believe God could love me for all I have done and been..................... NOT A FAILURE AT ALL.

Don't ever think you are. The greatest testimonies come from people that are so hard to believe they could change their lives and turn to God............ Usually pasts like yours.

You HAVE so much to give.

Not kind words at all Darl, just honest................ Lettin ya know the truth about yourself. :hug:

Oak I haven't met you yet............... I've had a lil break with house moving and all but you do belong.

I understand what you mean but honestly your life experience gives you what you need to have something to give to others. I'm no theologeon either but I do know what is in my heart and the experiences I have had that I can use to help others.

Please stick around and give me the chance to get to know you and show you that you do have something to offer others. My hubby Dan aka Man of Work spends time here as well and I'm sure he would like the opportunity to show you as well.

I looked at your profile and saw you are 41. In 41 years of being on this earth you would have an abundance of life experience be it good or bad you can use it all especially if you only became a christian not long ago.

Don't be ashamed everyone is still learning............. Even the ones that have been christians for a very long time. I'm almost 32 and became a christian at 13 and I too feel so inadequite at times. Don't ever think that what you have or know isn't enough there are peopl who come here that don't know Christ at all.................... YOU BELONG.

You certainly are not having an easy time Yukon but you are such an encouragement with your strength within................... You just keep powering on girl.

Besides, the biggest part of physical toughness is mental toughness. Your mind quits well before your body ever does. Once you've trained your mind, your body will follow.

Tis all about the ZONE MAN ROFL

Sorry Steve had to say that...................... LOL but you are right. If you think you can't you wont. A determined mind can take you a long way in a lot of areas.

Hope that shoulder comes good for you.

The prep of a low carb diet would certainly help cause that is how it will be on the show I guess................ You'll be used to fish and any animals that can be found instead of having the sweet cravings from giving them up just before the show like most others would probibbly do................... I'd be thinkin gimmie some chocky before I go but that would make it worse.

It is interesting to see what the contestants bid on with the auctions for food, some just want the taste of the goodies but there are others who know there are certain foods that would sustain them through the time and go for that.

Even if you don't get in you'll have done yourself a real lot of good anyways.

I'm with you on the cardio. I hate it but it's the only way to show off the muscle.

LOL WIP we are the same I call Dan Lovee' ( with a Cockney accent ), Hubby, QT ( sounds cutie ) etc. We both call each other Lover, Babe, Hun and like you other unmentionals. But we arely call each other by given names..................

Not weird at all WIP .........................it is a real spech thing to do. It shows love