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Without one pre-trib rapture verse that has the rapture before the tribulation.

Then has the gall to quote post trib verses and then CLAIM they are pre-trib, for the disconnect!

1 Thess is clearly post trib and at the last day.

We shall NOT prevent them which are asleep.

And we all know that the resurrection is at the last day, not seven years before the last day.

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Even Jesus shows resurrection first and then the rapture with it in John eleven :25,26.

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PeterAV

Every word of God is pure:

Escape means "pre-trib rapture" to the folk that do not believe their bibles and love to opinionate over it and change it.

 escape in the bible is to flee, run for your lives. Genesis nineteen :17 - 20.

Please note that Jesus does not come until the sun moon and stars signs happen first, which is clearly after the tribulation.

On 12/7/2017 at 3:42 PM, Psalms37:4 said:

The rapture of the church and the Second Coming are clearly two distinct comings as different as night and day.

In the rapture, Christ comes at a time on earth when people are partying, celebrating, getting married etc. Hard to imagine any of this this happening anytime inside or immediately after the tribulation.

 

 

Meaning: I don't really believe God's word, so I will trump God's word with my own opinion as the final arbiture in this matter!

Please note how no pre-tribber never gives us this pre-trib rapture verse, that actually has the rapture before the tribulation.

2 Thess two:1 clearly shows them at the same time; namely that day!

Allah was only a name given to an ancient moon idol that was found. [chick]

Jesus is the one truth living creator, Saviour,and mighty God. [Isaiah forty three:10,11]

Plus : I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John eight :24

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PeterAV

Every word of God is pure:

100% of all scripture is clearly post trib. There is no pre-trib rapture verse.

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The righteous shall never be removed, but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

PeterAV

Every word of God is pure:

Boycott all these terrible taxes etc and government indiscretions on the 15th.

Never spend a penny on the 15th. Buy your gas the day before or after.

Send a message that we don't agree with unfair arbitrary taxes.

http://www.taxfree15.com/PrepareYourselves.aspx

The Evolutionists were the ones to come up with using the term Dinosaurs for all the larger animals that were close to extinction.

Dinosaurs were always called Dragons etc. before the 1800's.

Why, there are pictures of army men with those supposed ancient huge flying dino/birds from the American Civil War.

A couple of interesting quotes, for sure.

Namely:

All of this is really speculation. We have clear statements in scripture that apart from faith, salvation is impossible. We have no clear statements that love causes salvation. To speculate that a person could be saved by demonstrating love is not biblical in any sense of the word

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I would agree, but I don't think that is what the scripture is talking about when speaking of the primacy of love, its not about salvation or not, it is more about the entire reason for salvation, and also the reason for faith, and thus without love our faith does not really exist in any real sense.

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There is a difference between the condition of Salvation and the ground of Salvation.

Faith is one of the conditions as also is the moving of the Holy Ghost upon the heart of the individual, the pure word. The pure word preached.

But the ground of our salvation is completely swallowed up in the love of God. His love is the ground of our salvation.

Our faith is only a condition that needs to be met.

PeterAV

Every word of God is pure:

Jesus loves us.

God the Father loves us.

The blessed Holy Ghost loves us.

They work as one.

Yum! Yum! Missionary!

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Two canibals sitting on the beach,talking with each other about the last few missionaries that happened to come to shore.

#1 Canibal:The last couple of missionaries that came by have been really tough to chew,all stringy.I just can't get it to be tender.

#2 Canibal:Thats strange,my missionaries have been quite tender and tasty to boot.Tell me,how are you cooking your missionaries?

#1 Canibal:I boil them in a big pot of water.

#2 Canibal:Well, no wonder they are tough and stringy.You don't boil these ones,because the last few here have been FRIARS.

A YOUNG cowboy walks into a seedy cafe in a small town in west Texas.

He sits at the counter and notices an older cowboy with his arms folded, staring blankly at a bowl of chilli.

After 15 minutes of just sitting there staring at it, the young cowboy bravely asks: 'If you ain't gonna eat that, mind if I do?'

The older cowboy slowly turns his head toward the young wrangler and in his best cowboy manner says: 'Nah, go ahead.'

Eagerly, the young cowboy reaches over and slides the bowl over to his place and starts spooning it up with delight.

He is almost at the bottom of the bowl when he notices a dead mouse in the chilli.

The sight was so shocking that he immediately throws up the chilli into the bowl.

The old cowboy quietly says: 'Yep, that's as far as I got too.'

This will take time,but you can do it.

Find 30 books of the Bible

There are thirty books of the Bible in this paragraph. Can you find them? This is a most remarkable puzzle. It was found by a gentleman in an airplane seat pocket, on a flight from Los Angeles to Honolulu, keeping him occupied for hours. He enjoyed it so much he passed it on to some friends. One friend from Illinois worked on this while fishing from his john boat. Another friend studied it while playing his banjo. Elaine Taylor, a columnist friend, was so intrigued by it she mentioned it in her weekly newspaper column. Another friend judges the job of solving this puzzle so involving, she brews a cup of tea to help her nerves. There will be some names that are really easy to spot. That's a fact. Some people, however, will soon find themselves in a jam, especially since the book names are not necessarily capitalized. Truthfully, from answers we get, we are forced to admit it usually takes a minister or scholar to see some of them at the worst. Research has shown that something in our genes is responsible for the difficulty we have in seeing the books in this paragraph. During a recent fund raising event, which featured this puzzle, the Alpha Delta Phi lemonade booth set a new sales record. The local paper, the Chronicle, surveyed over 200 patrons who reported that this puzzle was one of the most difficult they had ever seen. As Daniel Humana humbly puts it, "the books are all right here in plain view hidden from sight." Those able to find all of them will hear great lamentations from those who have to be shown. One revelation that may help is that books like Timothy and Samuel may occur without their numbers. Also, keep in mind, that punctuation and spaces in the middle of the names are normal. A chipper attitude will help you compete really well against those who claim to know the answers. Remember, there is no need for a mad exodus. There really are 30 books of the Bible lurking somewhere in this paragraph waiting to be found.

How can "the truth remain the same" in the following examples?

No Doctrines Are Changed?

I often hear those who criticize the King James Bible and defend the multiple modern versions say: "Well, no doctrines are changed in the different versions." But is this true?

.......Which of these different bibles is really the inspired, inerrant words of God? Or have the complete, pure, inerrant words of God been lost in the shuffle and God has failed to preserve His words as He promised? Is it true that "no doctrines are changed" in the various conflicting versions?

Some Christians say, "Well, only the originals were inspired." Since we don't have any of the originals and nobody knows what they really said, how can we then say the Bible is the inspired word of God? Shouldn't we say the bible WAS the inspired word of God?

I and thousands of other Christians believe God has kept His promises to preserve His words and He has done so in the King James Holy Bible. In general terms the overall state of textual evidence and ancient versions is overwhelmingly on the side of the King James Bible readings as opposed to such versions as the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, and ISV.

However, one can argue back and forth over the textual evidence till you are either blue or red in the face, and prove nothing. For me and many other Bible believers, we clearly see the Providential hand of God placing His divine approval upon the King James Bible that has been universally recognized as THE BIBLE of the English speaking world for almost 400 years.

One of the clear and convincing proofs that the King James Bible is the complete, inerrant, and pure words of God is the purity and truth of its Christ exalting doctrines. Proverbs 14:5 tells us: "A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies." There are many lies found in the new bible versions and it is the accumulation of such lies that reveal them to be false witnesses to the whole truth of God.

.......Do you still think that "no doctrines are changed" in the various versions? Is the Bible the inspired, inerrant words of God? If so, what exactly are you referring to when you say this? Some mystical bible that exists in your own mind, or a solid Book we can hold in our hands, read, believe and preach to a lost world?

Will Kinney

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Great article there Will.

In short,folks,Look up the verses in the Holy Bible and compare your own translation and see the diference for your selves.

Here is the list that Will worked at;

Corrupted in this version and others,

Psalm 78:36 NASB

John 7:8 NASB

Micah 5:2 NIV

Luke 2:22 NASB

2 Sam 14:14 NASB

2 Peter 3:12 NASB

1 John 5:19 NASB

John 12:31 NASB

John 14:30 NASB

John 16:11 NASB

1 Cor 8:4 NASB

Hosea 11:12 NASB

Dan 9:26 NASB

The list is much larger than this,but this is just from this one article of Will's.You owe it to the promotion of the truth and the love of the truth to investigate without gander,but genuine concern for the truth.

There is only one true Holy Bible.

AV 1611,KJB,AV,Originally known only as the "Holy Bible" until 1920.

PeterAV

Thy word is truth,

therefore thy servant

loveth it.Psalm 119:140

Yes, I do think it can happen. That's why I asked the OP whetehr he would burn his Bible or not. Some believe that the "Sacred Scriptures" are contained in the King James Version and only in the King James Version. To some this amounts to an unhealthy exaltation of this particular translation. I personally have seen the KJV position argues with such virulence that it practially amounts to the kind of worship that Doulon described here. Now, I personally would not intentionally burn a Bible - any Bible - because I just love the Bible! But I do not love it to the extent that I would worship it. The Bible points us to Christ. Only He is worthy of worship.

I don't know of any that think that the scriptures are only in the Holy Bible AKA AV.They all agree that the modern versions have legitimate verses in their covers.But they are not the pure words of God.Only the AV is that.Jerimiah said that God's word was more important than his necessary food.Is this idol worship?I trow not.

David meditates on it all the day,how more zealous can one get to the word of God.Is it an idol?I trow not.

Face it Ovedya,If God exalts his word above his name,who am I to do any less?

I burned By fake Bibles that had poison in them.They were not all the truth.I did it once.I still use many Bibles,but I only believe and live by one.

Since when is it unhealthy to believe God's word and believe what God said in his word about his word?Exactly.Does not the word say "I hate every false way?"The modernversions are exactly that.

They show errors on almost every page.The sources that they come from, came from heretics,like Marcon,Origen,Eusebius,Jerome,Westcott and Hort.

That is a big ouchy.

Those that don't burn their Bibles is fine with me.Those that do not use the KJB is fine with me.It is a free world out there.But I will show the corruptions that are in those versions that are touted today as the new discoveries,and updates.

There is only one Bible.The others are fakers.

Matthew 1:25,1 Timothy 3:16,1 Corinthians 2:17,check and compare and see the truth.This is only a couple out of hundreds.

Next time you falsely accuse others of worship and froth,it is only that they consider the Holy Bible to be the Holy Bible.Most others have no Bible that is considered errorless,and they contradict each othere in so many places.

You, however,have errors in yours.I thought that God's word is to be without error.So why in the world do you defend the fakers?

I am,of course,taking for granted,that if you are not posting in favour of the Holy Bible that you favour more than one version.Or at least "PREFER" one version over others at various places.

Thy word is very pure,therefore thy servant loveth it.Psalm 119:140

Holy Bible

There is only one.

I believe that God's Word is infallible.

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And what is God's word?

w as in the words of God.

Not W as in the Word of God who is Jesus.

PeterAV

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Would you burn a Bible? Would you tear out pages from a Bible? Why or why not?

Peter AV. This is for you. Please answer. Quote

That is a question out of the blue.Have you been doing some looking?

No I do not Burn the Holy Bible.

But I have burned many books that claimed to be bibles and were found out to be charlitans,fakers heretical and just full of plain error on every page.Some of them are doctrinal.

After learning about the garbage in the new versions,my wife and I pulled an Acts 19:19 and we burned all our fake Bibles,such as the niv,NASB,EB,etc.,including our NKJV wedding Bible.Fifty pages at a time were placed in the fire,as we repented of allowing garbage to be in our lives.We wanted the truth not man's opinions,so the choice was quik and easy.It was a happy day when the LORD shewed us the truth.

I would that all fake Bibles would be burned, in church after church,but people have their free choice to do with their lives as they see fit.Plus I am not being dogmatic about it,but simply recomending that you only trust one book,namely,the Holy Bible,now renamed the AV or KJB.

With the KJB one has the 99% majority of manuscripts to back it up,while the new versions are choosing the family tree that has only 45 and namely 2,the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus.These two manuscripts are of the worst kind,they abound in errors,so much so,that one is hard pressed to find any two verses in a row that are the same.But if you go to the manuscripts that the AV was made from ;those 99% of manuscripts,well they virtually agree throughout,and throughout time.

Can't say that for ther modern versions manuscripts nor the modern versions themselves.

So,no,I do not burn the Holy Bible,but I do burn fakers.Written by heretics such as Westcott and Hort.And Origen and Jerome and Eusebius.Amongst others.

They deminish the deity of our LORD countless times,ommit scriptures,twist words,change doctrine at will.Despicable work.Satan is alive and interested in the words of God.

I answered your question,now may you show the same courtesy and answer mine?

Do you believe that the Holy Bible is infalible,without error and has a name?

PeterAV

I have no conviction to use the AV.

Unless the Lord lays it upon my heart, I shall use the Translations I have now.

Thanks!

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And the translation you have now are all corrupted including the NIV and the NKJV.

Whenever one has More than one authority you know that they have a trick to play.

They play one against the other and then they decide for themselves which one they "PREFER".They are in the place of God,arbitrating against the very words of God.

Both your bibles contradict each other and the Holy Bible in so many places it is rediculous.

Why the NKJV has made some 100,000 changes to the perfect text.Many are of the doctrinal nature to boot.

The NIV [the Bart Simpson Bible] has some 695 erroneous readings that are corrupted,including 17 whole verses that are missing and many others earmarked as ingenuine.

Simply dispicable behaviour.

Peter

I have no conviction to use the AV.

Unless the Lord lays it upon my heart, I shall use the Translations I have now.

Thanks!

O but he has,and you are tuning him out,because of your own opinions.You are the final authority,not God's word.This is what Satan sucked EVE into doing.

You can be your own aithority and arbitrate against the very words of God,and add and take away and deminnish them.

Never stand in judgement against the very words of God but allow God's Holy words to have that function.

to tell you the truth,

the KJV you are reading today, is not the original KJV...... it also has been updated....  and updated and updated..... and missing books compared to the original.... the original has 80 books and was only authorized by a man, yes, King James the first authorized the People of the country to have an english printed Bible.... whether it was the one people claim as the 1611 king james or it was some other english printed Bible....

I have personally seen reprints of all these versions, and would love to see some one that is a KJV onlyist, read the actual print for the 1611....

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Sorry there Mr.And Mrs.Mike Irish,but that is not the truth at all,but only your opinion.This is not a game of "I PREFER".

I brought up the 1611 version on the internet for my six year old son to read and he did fine.All I had to do is shew him that "U" is a "V" and a V is a U. And it came out word perfect.

Anybody can read it.

http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/print...&PagePosition=1

Talking about word perfect,one can read the 1611 and the 2005 edition of the 1611 and they come out word for word.All that is diferent is the spellings and fonts and typographical errors that all have since been corrected.

Plus Will just shewed you that the extra books were not part of the cannon of scriptures like the corrupted Alexandrian manuscripts have ;that the new versions use for their manuscripts.

King James never authorized it.He just gave them permission to do the work.

It was simply called the Holy Bible for a great many years.It was a general accepted FACT that the Bible was "THE AUTHORIZED VERSION" for the English speaking world and then bore that name.It was not until the begining of the onslaught of fake usurping quasi pumped out versions by heretics like Westcott and Hort,that the AV finally got the name of KJV.But I still call it by the name of

The Holy Bible

There is only one.

PeterAV

Don't go on Safari with a New KJV Translator

I can easily list a hundred bad translations found in the imposter called the New King James Version, but here are a few that should cause any serious Christian who trembles at the words of God to cast this poor imitation in the waste basket where it belongs. .....

.....It should be obvious that the NKJV is not just "updating archaic words" in an effort to be more accurate, but is rather introducing thousands of unnecessary word changes just to be different.

I hope this little comparative study allows you to see that the NKJV has changed far more than just a few "archaic" words found in the King James Bible.

Will Kinney

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Those thousands of new words has to do with "Copyright laws".

You are completely correct in saying "little comparative study",for I have found many more over the years.Many of the changes that may appear sincere or non-threatening at first,are full of doctrinal error.

PeterAV

....I really didn't think it was that hard to figure out.  Are you brandplucked's lawyer? Or maybe you are his debate coach. I tried to answer it as plain as I could. It appears as though others get it. Perhaps you should study it again and write a thesis on it. Why don't we move on.

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?Does this mean that you have no Bible?Just opinions?

There is only one Bible.

The NKJV is a terrific translation of the Bible and is much improved over the KJV. The differences" in the NKJV vs. the KJV are merited by the original languages and improve the understanding of the text.

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Is this fact or just your opinion?

The facts bear it out that the NKJV is not as accurate as many make it out to be.

To start with they DO have the Satanic LOGO on the cover,namely the disguised 666.

I have found that the NKJV translators lied to the publick,saying that they followed just the Textus Receptus just like the AV did.

But when you check out the key verses for the corrupted versions,you will find lots of agreement with the NKJV.They literally used the TR,but then inserted corrupted Alexandrian readings itno the text.

The NKJV crew were put up on charges by the securities commission,and I do believe that there was the sum of $400,000.mentioned.

Since when did they improve the understanding of the text in 2 Corinthians 2:17?

Why hide the fact that they corrupted the words?Very revealing if you ask me.

Fealing a little guilty there are we?

Sure the NKJV is a terific translation,if you go for corruption,but not quite as much as the NIV or the NASB,etc.

Yes they are different, but which one is more correct? Let's use Proverbs 11:16 as an example. The KJV uses the adjective "strong" for the Hebrew word "ariyts", which Strong's defines as "tyrannical" or "violent". NKJV, ASV, NLT, and Amplified all use the adjective "violent" while NIV uses "ruthless". Which one do you think is more accurate? Taking it in context with the verses that follow, it is clear to me the the newer versions are more accurate. This verse is talking about ruthless men taking riches, not Godly strong men being rewarded with riches.

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Now that IS stretching things a bit.

All you offered was opinions.This is not a game of "I PREFER"

There can only be one Holy Bible.For the English speaking peoples it is the AV.

You don't go running to an unbeliever to verify your stand.Such as Strong.He introduces Pagan defenitions to Biblical verses and words.

The Bible itself will interpret itself.

If you compare scripture with scripture,you can find much more than just a man's definition in the scriptures,but you can find God's definition in the scriptures.

If you go to Genesis you will see the first mention of "strong",namely "stronger".

Here stronger has to do with a Godly man AND his deceitfulness.So God says it can cover both the good and the Bad.Now that is much more accurate than the Strong's concordance.

Plus tyranical may include someone that is strong,but a strong man does not NEED to be tyranical.

A strong man does not need to be violent to retain riches.He can just go to the bank and be a strong citizen and save his money and invest it.

The modern versions have gone overboard here and have all but deleted the real truth of the verse;for it is not the other verses that determine the meaning,but the very verses that determines the meaning.Take a look at THE verse.

It is showing the contrast between the ways of a woman and the ways of a man.

The best is the combination of the two.The woman gains strength by the man,and the man is tempered with grace from the woman.

Each atribute is good in its own way,but a combination is the perfectness of temperment.right?

It is imparative that man challenges himself to cultivate grace,tenderness and all that is charming.This is not done with mimicry,but with the aid of the Saviour,the word and the guidance of the Holy Ghost.This takes purposeful study and honesty,including a lifestyle of repentance.

On the flip side,how uncool it would be to see a woman vying for power and not living a life of a gracious vesel of honour.

J.Parker once said;

"It is not good for the man to be alone,for he is without grace;it is not good for the woman to be alone,for she is without strength;when men and women stand to one another in the right christian relation they will complete one another,and together constitute the Devine idea of humanity."

PeterAV