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Are you showing love for the victims by denying justice? Are you showing love to God when you deny justice? Are you showing love for society when you deny justice? As for forgiveness, I do not know how much clearer I can get. Forgiveness does not equate tabula rasa, there are still consquences. Correct, but this is taken from the Talmud and not the Bible. Thus when in conflict with the Bible it falls short. God ordered us to kill those that murder. Ok, then you kill. I,ll forgive and obey Jesus. PS: I do not use my emotions when dealing with my heart. For HE is my heart. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. JER 17:9-10 I don't trust my heart. I will SUBMIT to HIS LAW which shows me how to LOVE in HIS LOVE. HOLY SPIRIT, HOLY LIVING LAW, LIVES HOLY WRITTEN LAW through me. I put HIS HOLY WTITTEN LAW in my mind to have the MIND of the MESSIAH so that I will know WHO HOLY SPIRIT IS, WHAT HOLY SPIRIT IS SAYING, and WHERE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOING. =-=-= AMEN!!

Hi, Thank you. I personally want to grow strong in the Lord. I want to grow Spiritually. I would love to practice humility and love, especially to those who are my enemies. I would also love to practise forgiveness and patient. In short, I would love for the fruits of the Holy Spirit to be exercised in me. God bless!!!

Hi, I honestly have no more to add to this topic. I still stand for forgiveness of this man anytime or day! Am not going to argue just to see who wins or who can answer better or qoute the verses. All I care is for another brother be given the chance like we had to repent. Am glad God shall not judge like man because then some of us would never know the joy of Salvation. If God judged like we do, none of us would go to heaven. This man is a plain murderer so the law says he should be murdered but then what would we be called then, won't we also be murderers. OK, he is a murderer by killing innocent people, but we then are murderers by killing a guilty man. In the end of the day we are all murderers. I stone someone to death today, then tomorrow you stone me to death as purninshment, at the end of it you are just as much a murderer as I was. What surprised me is the way we here in this forum respond, we feel, think and do like the world. I thought we are suppose to stand out! you know! We are the light of the world, what separated the disciples of Christ from the disciples of the Pharasees and Saducees was the compassion. The whole point of this topic was to see how we respond to other peoples mistakes. Its obvious we are very quick to condemn others and think we have less sins or less guilty than murderers but hallo we aint. God bless!!!

No, you are not making sense - in both argument and your typing style. This isn't Chat - please[/] type normally. The "i" "2" "4" "b" and such are to read. As for your arguments - I am still waiting for an answer as to how life in prison is sufficient justice for cold-blooded murder. And why should the government cancel the debt of a man who has not repented of his crime? Hi, Sorry about the tying error, I'll definately correct that, Thank you! Well since am not making sence to you; I'll answer for the sake of someone who seems to get the point. Offcourse we all are sinners redeemed by his blood, we were all guilty of sin, but God gave His Son to die for us on the cross so that we might be saved and not die both physically and spiritually. So the same way he gave you the chance to get saved not by your power or might but by His spirit, why not let this man get life imprisonement, he might repent and get born again while he is in there. I dont know when you gave your life to Christ and got born again, but am I glad for you that God gave you the chance to repent because if it was not for Christ dying for your sins you would go straight to hell. As for your second question, WE are not the goverment, WE are born again christians here, we are talking about us forgiving the man like Christ asked us to. The goverment is not born again, they are non-believers thats why we dont blame them for their decision, the difference between what the world does and what we Christians do and feel should be very different. Then if everyone here thinks and does like the world, then are we really born again? or just claiming to be Christians.

Hi, Good morning to you all. I can see you all still argueing about all this. By their fruits you shall know them.

Hi, God bless you "Avidan" I second this!!! Luke 7:47 "Therefore I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven- for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little." No offence but yall have 2 understand really what this means.

So then, it's righteous to forgive a man who murdered four people? We should just tell him, "Okay, we all forgive you for taking the lives of four people and ruining the lives of his family and friends. Here's a few bucks to get you back on your feet. Have a great life." What about justice? Hi, Did u read what i just posted 45 minutes b4 or did u just over look it. I suggested that death penalty is 2 high, mayb sentensing a long period of time would do. And by the way if u dont feel sorry 4 this guy that he'll go 2 hell 4 his sins b4 repenting, then mayb u need a heart of compasion because if our Lord had compation, if u claim 2 b a believer and His follower, then may i ask, where is ur compasion? Well to begin with, my response was to Avidan. Secondly, no, I do not feel sorry for him. Why should I feel sorrow and compassion for a man who murdered four people in cold blood? Why should I feel sorry for a man who co-founded the strongest, most brutal, and most criminal organization that the county of Los Angeles has ever known? To me that's like asking if I feel sorrow or compassion for Hitler. Hi, No offence but r u really born again. If u r then u would forgive ur brother everytime he sins. U know u seem to have forgotten that Christ died for us while we were still sinners. If Christ did not die for your sins, do you know that you would b just as guilty in Gods eyes as this man????? I know you were not responding to me directly, but then this is an open forum, if you need to only post to a particular person pliz use pm, no offense. I still love u like my brother in Christ and am actually going right now to church, i am very glad to give my piece of mind on this topic. We r all one body in christ. We all need each other,and we should all have a teachable heart. Correct me where am wrong. 1. Forgiveness is not the absence of consequence. The Bible teaches that there are consequences for sin. Nowhere does God promise to remove the consequences of our sin even though he forgives us. i.e., God does not promise prisoners that they will be set free, even if they get saved. 2. You mentioned Jesus dying for your sins.... That is good point, really. Jesus died for your sins. You were under the sentence of death, according to God's law. Now, Jesus did not remove the death sentence, He bore the death Himself. SOMEONE was going to die for your sins. Death was enevitable, because God's justice had to be satisfied. So someone was going to die. It should have been you. You deserved to die for your sins, and God would have been within His Rights to treat you with utter contempt, and destroy you. Instead, God showed you His mercy by sending His Son to die in your place. Instead God, in His mercy took all of His hatred, and contempt for sin, and aimed it squarely at Jesus. He layed all of His Judgement upon Jesus, and Jesus bore the death you deserved. So not even God is opposed to the death penalty, but used it Himself. Hi, So Jesus who died 4 ur sins and mine, must have also died 4 his sins 2 OR ?

Hi, So i get the point, everyone is 4 the fact that he should still b sentenced 2 death. Then if he still should b sentenced 2 death, then we should all b sentenced 2 death with him "for all have fallen short of his Glory".

I realize that you're pretty new here, sis, and you'll get used to how these conversations flow. Although this is an open forum and discussions are for everyone to read, when you use the quote function it is usually for the purpose of addressing the specific comments of the person that you are quoting. Although your original comment added to the discussion, my response to Avidan needn't have taken your comment into consideration. In other words, I didn't ignore your comment, I just didn't respond to it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi, am back and have seen how far this topic has gone. Is my being new here change the fact that i might b making sence?

Hi, There r some things that r not always qouted in the bible, like there is no place it says we should forgive a murderer but i know God forgave me my sins and loved me first. He choose to save me, by his grace i am saved, not by my might or strength. If it was for me to save myself i would not even do anything about that. I feel very sorry for this man. I see myself in him b4 i was trully born again; blind, so ignorant, full of pride and Lost. Thats what i see. God bless!!!

So then, it's righteous to forgive a man who murdered four people? We should just tell him, "Okay, we all forgive you for taking the lives of four people and ruining the lives of his family and friends. Here's a few bucks to get you back on your feet. Have a great life." What about justice? Hi, Did u read what i just posted 45 minutes b4 or did u just over look it. I suggested that death penalty is 2 high, mayb sentensing a long period of time would do. And by the way if u dont feel sorry 4 this guy that he'll go 2 hell 4 his sins b4 repenting, then mayb u need a heart of compasion because if our Lord had compation, if u claim 2 b a believer and His follower, then may i ask, where is ur compasion? Well to begin with, my response was to Avidan. Secondly, no, I do not feel sorry for him. Why should I feel sorrow and compassion for a man who murdered four people in cold blood? Why should I feel sorry for a man who co-founded the strongest, most brutal, and most criminal organization that the county of Los Angeles has ever known? To me that's like asking if I feel sorrow or compassion for Hitler. Hi, No offence but r u really born again. If u r then u would forgive ur brother everytime he sins. U know u seem to have forgotten that Christ died for us while we were still sinners. If Christ did not die for your sins, do you know that you would b just as guilty in Gods eyes as this man????? I know you were not responding to me directly, but then this is an open forum, if you need to only post to a particular person pliz use pm, no offense. I still love u like my brother in Christ and am actually going right now to church, i am very glad to give my piece of mind on this topic. We r all one body in christ. We all need each other,and we should all have a teachable heart. Correct me where am wrong.

Hi, So ur saying that the church and the goverment r 2 different parties. When our Lord spoke to man; he was not only talking 2 man in church but man in the whole earth. Well, we r not suggesting that they should not convict the man 4 the death crimes but we r saying that the death penalty is abit 2 strong. As in they can sentence him, but not to death. Who r we mare men 2 convict another brother. Let me ask you something. By what authority did this man have to take the lives of four others? Who was he to judge whether the persons he killed had the right to live or die> Hi, The man is a non believer. He does or did not have the compassion. But we Christians r the ones Jesus was talking 2. We r to show the world love like Christ would or then we would only end up being hearers and not doers of the word.

So then, it's righteous to forgive a man who murdered four people? We should just tell him, "Okay, we all forgive you for taking the lives of four people and ruining the lives of his family and friends. Here's a few bucks to get you back on your feet. Have a great life." What about justice? Hi, Did u read what i just posted 45 minutes b4 or did u just over look it. I suggested that death penalty is 2 high, mayb sentensing a long period of time would do. And by the way if u dont feel sorry 4 this guy that he'll go 2 hell 4 his sins b4 repenting, then mayb u need a heart of compassion because if our Lord had compassion, if u claim 2 b a believer and His follower, then may i ask, where is ur compassion?

Hi, Where am at is 29F-36F which is equivalent to 1-2

Hi, R u 4 forgiveness or execution? God bless!!!