Aviator227

Hey I think all of you are going around the long way. I typically read from the NKJV (MacArthurs Study Bible) but read other versions also (including NIV and NET) and this is far more benficial for me in my study, as I can compare translations, get different view points on things, and most of the time find a truely fulfilling interpretation of a certain piece of scripture that I'm reading. I don't think its all that smart to take only one tool to pull apart a car engine, and the same goes with studying God's word. There are plenty of great resources and tools around that we all should use in our study. Things like Commentarys, Study Bibles and even different translations. Even the Apocrypha can be of benefit, mainly for historical background, although understand this, that the Apocrypha is not totally accurate, so don't depend on it for your doctrinal interpretations. Aviator

Don't be so quick to judge. Here is an article that shows the KJV to be in error: click here Cool, very descriptive. Anyone else who's stuck, make sure you click that link and have a good read of the stuff there!

I will check this up tonight, and get back to you about this. I would say that the KJV is correct in this passage because NIV follows a thought by thought translation, not word for word. Hey I just found this on NET Bible - http://www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm 34sn The Hebrew text as it stands reads, “Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite.” Who killed Goliath the Gittite? According to 1 Sam 17:4-58 it was David who killed Goliath, but according to the MT of 2 Sam 21:19 it was Elhanan who killed him. Many scholars believe that the two passages are hopelessly at variance with one another. Others have proposed various solutions to the difficulty, such as identifying David with Elhanan or positing the existence of two Goliaths. But in all likelihood the problem is the result of difficulties in the textual transmission of the Samuel passage; in fact, from a text-critical point of view the books of Samuel are the most poorly preserved of all the books of the Hebrew Bible. The parallel passage in 1 Chr 20:5 reads, “Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath.” Both versions are textually corrupt. The Chronicles text has misread “Bethlehemite” (בֵּית הַלַּחְמִי, bet hallakhmi) as the accusative sign followed by a proper name אֶת לַחְמִי (’et lakhmi). (See the note at 1 Chr 20:5.) The Samuel text misread the word for “brother” (אַח, ’akh) as the accusative sign (אֵת, ’et), thereby giving the impression that Elhanan, not David, killed Goliath. Thus in all probability the original text read, “Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath.”

I think it is very important that we give back to God on a regular basis to show Him our gratefulness to everything He has given us and is giving us. Also giving of time and/or finances to God helps to extend His kingdom. You could be paying for someone who doesn't know Jesus to have a bible to read so they have the opportunity to come to know God, and thats just one example. God wants us to be wise with both our time and money. Heres a quick thought, go into your house and look at where your money has been spent. Are the things you spend your time and money on glorifying to God, or to something else. Just something for you to think about.

Hey all, I think that this is one of a great number of small issues we face today in this world mainly because it isn't totally and directly related to salvation. Whether or not the whole global warming thing is true or not, our salvation is not affected by this at all. If you do believe that global warming is true (which I believe is your personal choice) then it is likely to be as someone said, because of sin entering the world. To me, its just another thing I learnt in high school, and I don't think too much of it. Remember that plenty of clear warnings are given for us against false teachers and teachings. We need to be discerning as believers as to what is true or not, and where something such as global warming isn't spoken much of in the Bible, I label it is pretty much irrelevant.

It works like this, If Jesus is not God, but just a man, he would have sinned, like the rest of mankind. Being a sinner, he would not be heaven's perfect lamb, that is not a worthy sacrifice to pay the price of man-kinds sin. So without Jesus as God, there is no salvation. Without the Holy Spirit, there is no change after salvation (the change is often referred to as a person's sanctification), where there character is changed and they are molded to conform to the image of christ. The Holy Spirit makes this possible.

I like it how you stated that from Romans 1, Awesome!!! Just be careful about your wording, God doesn't give up on people, because He knows who will come to repentance and who will reject the truth. Better put would be that God kills the opportunities that the person has for repentance. Remember how God sent moses to pharoah, He was giving Pharoah opportunities to repent, but Pharoah didn't. There is another passage in 2 Tim 2:20: "2:20 Now in a wealthy home there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also ones made of wood and of clay, and some are for honorable use, but others for ignoble use." There is another passage somewhere that even links this to the Moses and Pharoah situation, but I can't remember where it is. Its all to do with God's divine election of the saints. No one is saved who isn't called to salvation.

For any of those who believe that Gods Son, Jesus Christ, was an Angel, and not God, read Hebrews 1:5-14: "5 For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say:

Hey Awesome, I just joined worthyboards and this is the first post I clicked on, and i just wanna say that I'm glad I joined because I see already that there are people here who love the Lord and meditate on His truth, trying to figure out the mysteries of scripture. To tell the truth I haven't thought about this topic so much, the way I saw it was like the passage with the rich man and lazerus, where those who are saved go to be with the Lord in paradise (the thief of the cross), and those who aren't go to hell, like the rich man in the parable. The lake of fire would be God's divine eternal judgement for everything tainted by sin, that is everything but God, the holy angels, redeemed man and the new heaven and the new earth. Hope this helps, sorry I don't have my Bible out, I should use more references. I'll make another post with some for those who want to see where I'm coming from.