Brad

it is a "yod" which is the smallest letter in the hebrew aleph-bet and the first letter in the name of Yeshua and YHVH it is also the number "10" and represents the hand of God. In the synagogues the Cantor will use a wooden hand with a pointing finger to keep his place as he sings the Torah passage for the week. This is a yod also.... When Yeshua said "not one jot of tittle of the law will pass away".... the word "jot" is more correctly interpreted 'yod' Interesting Yod, is Yod your real name? My name mean a small thin nail. Not much glory in that name but Jesus has a new name for me.

Acts 2:32-36 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Jesus was NOT sitting in the clouds in 70 A.D. He will remain at the right hand of the Father until He returns and the RESURRECTION occurs. Blessings, Dad Ernie Ernie Dad, You said my doctrine is flakey because I said Jesus was in the clouds when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. You deny that Jesus was in the clouds whether figuritively or literially by saying what I said was flakey. You are right by saying He was seated at the right hand of the Father in Heaven. But the clouds represent heaven where Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. Quote: Jesus was NOT sitting in the clouds in 70 A.D. He will remain at the right hand of the Father until He returns and the RESURRECTION occurs. Here is proof the the Father is in a cloud Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!" How about this one where Jesus is seated on the cloud, was the seat where He was seated at the right hand of the Father? Revelation 14 Reaping the Earth's Harvest 14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. 15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You[1] to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. Reaping the Grapes of Wrath 17 Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. If Heaven is not in a cloud then the scripture must be wrong according to your doctrine. Gen.1 6Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. Ernie just out of curiousity what was it that caught your eye and what was the it that showed you how flakey my doctrine is. I would like you to tell me of what Spirit my doctrine is. Is it of the Holy Spirit or a lying spirit from Satan?

No, Brad, I find humor in everything and therefore my reference to Hank, Jr. who used to be a big no-show at his concerts. It's still the same philosophy. If someone hasn't shown, they haven't shown-that's simple. As for the JW connection, that's something VERY valid I would like to hear your opinion on-nothing complicated about that. Thanks in advance. Let me put it this way. In the Old Testament when God manifested His works did He show up in a physical body? Or if Jesus did not appear in 70 AD where was He when Jerusalem was destroyed? Was He not in the clouds of heaven that received Him according to Acts 1:11. When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD do you not think Jesus was still in those clouds. Would Jesus have been there or was He somewhere else not paying attention. Just what do you think Jesus was doing sitting back and letting the Roman army mess with His people. What is your perspective on this? I did not see Jesus in 70 AD I was not even born yet. However I see the aftermath with Jesus in His people sharing His glory with us right now. Your probably going to tell me it is impossible for two people to live in the same body according to how you see scripture being fulfilled with the coming of the Lord. :c: :prayer :dove :whistle: :sleep:

Hey Ronald I know that you are just trying to drive me around in circles.

Right on Bro, Btw you can buy me that cheeseburge today. Got to run off to work right now. :flowers: uuuummmmmmm cheeseburge

Wow! You were part of that great revival? I was not saved until 1990 but I've seen the fruits of that tidal wave of the Spirit ever since. I am sure that you knew some of those jewish kids who were saved and started the jewish remnants return because Jews For Jesus started there. The main office is still there in San Francisco. I would dearly love to hear your thoughts about what happened there. Were you a former hippy? My respect for you just multiplied tenfold at least. Honestly, I didn't understand or trust your motives for calling Jerusalem "babylon". I really thought you were only interested in strife. I now see that I was wrong and apologize for ever being harsh with you. You are a huge part of the Israel of God! The part responsible for pointing them to their Messiah....provoking them to jealousy for their God! How awesome a calling is that???? yod Posted: Jun 7 2004, 10:48 AM I remember us thinking it was cool that some Messianic Jews were around but that is about it. I remember talking to a few and wished I could team up with some of them but I never have heard of the Jewish remnants return. I was a hippy, but more or less a hippy biker you might say. I owned my first Harley at fifteen, and wanted to join the H.A.M.C. but started going to Church at 18 in 1974 so that ended that. Jimi Hendrix died on my birthday when I turned fifteen in 1970. My brother and I had dropped some purple acid that night and turned on the radio and got the news. Hendrix was my favorite guitar player at the time. The last concert I went to at the Fillmore in Frisco was the Grateful Dead. In 1972 when I had dropped eight hits of acid and saw the Beatles play while listing to them on my stereo in my parent

Thanks Yod this is a keeper. I'll post this one for the Preterist forums so that they can be updated. 1967 was the year I moved from Canada to the San Franciso Bay area "the Summer of Love" I was saved during the Jesus People Movement but did not have a clue to what you just posted. If you see any of my postings in the future that seem to rub the wrong way take no offence. It's most likely a posting from what someone else wrote. I hope that the Preterist can come up with a true understanding with what you posted and with what they believe. Peace Bro and to all Messianic Jews Can I be one too. Brad

Hi JDJ, wow that a long list of questions. Seeing that I have to hunt and peck out these letters this may take me a day or two. Tomorrow I have to go back to work for 12-14 hours everyday. I may beable to do this next weekend. But then I would really like to go hiking in the Rocky Mountians.

Quote: There will be a time when the gentiles will lay hold on the tzit-tzit of a Jewish brother and say, " We know God is with you, teach us!" Dont wait lets go, brothers and get our identity back and put the truth first, not the world and its views. God is with us now as we abide in Christ, and He in us. But that is only if your in the faith.

Luke 17 23Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[1] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. just remember this Shadow2b if there seems to be a physical manifestion of Jesus do not believe it for He shall be seen spiritually as the lighning which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. just like when God came in judgment in the OT. I know you have read other postings on this topic like every eye shall see Him or in like Manner so why bother. :upsided:

If your going to resort to digs at me then at least chose something less pathetic... but the 1948 israel becomming a prophesy fulfilled was in fact in the BIBLE read the minor prophets...which means it was some one HEBREW...but you know..i first heard of this...from an american(look if you can be childish then so can i) seriously though...your missing 1 VITAL point...WHO GAVE THE PROPHETS THESE PROPHESIES...God...do you know what the requirements for a prophet was...read 2 deut and 2 kings...they had to be moral...they needed patience.....they wrote down very carefully word for word what was TOLD them by God. at the end of the day...its not me your arguing against...its God...put the prophises in CONTEXT....then learn to count using the Jewish calander at that time....then put into place the Jewish custums and symbolisms that match up with the last days...and use consistency when doing so. 1 final thing...please take you anti-samitic talk to those few deluded fools who are interested Linda I would appreciate it if you would leave out the anti-semetic accusations out of this tread. No one here hates semetic people. We are just talking about who the real Jews are.

The True Israel of God. What is the essence of being a true Israelite? It is not the literal fleshly descent from Abraham, but faith in God.

-YOU MEAN THERE ARE "SOME"THAT ARE BETTER STEEPED IN MYTHOLOGY?? - IN CONJECTURE??STEEPED IN {MOST--LIKELY}THEOLOGICAL- -SUPPOSITION??THESE PRESENT MORE??HOW & WHERE DID YOU DIG THEM UP -FROM--BRAD-??- ssssshhhheeeesssshhhh- :suspect: -YUPP--{AT IT} IS THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY ALRIGHT--- I meant to say they also more time. As far as a nation being born in a day I would say that the Royal Priesthood and Holy nation was born in a day. It's a spiritual nation that is not seen with the eye. The True Israel of God. What is the essence of being a true Israelite? It is not the literal fleshly descent from Abraham, but faith in God.

Yod, the Jewish brothers that you are referring to are they Christian brothers or not. This is what I'm having a hard time with trying to understand you and others. Because from the way I've heard things presented is that they are not believers in Christ as of yet, but God will saved them anyway and then they will be Christians. please answer as simply as possible so that what you have said already will be more clear.

Oh Okay that makes alot of sense. :whistle: G-ds mountian Peace

I would say that you have failed to see scriptural fulfillment and that is why in your opinion nothing much has been fulfilled. I do not know if you have been reading all the things I have posted about Preterism but I have covered this questions in the postings. If you really want to know read them where you see my name. Lately I've been posting only in eschatology. I've been working 12 to 14 hours a day hauling concrete so there is not a whole lot of time to answer questions. Maybe one thing at a time. If you really want answer from a Preterist view better go to a Preterist forum like New Jerusalem Ministries. There are some who have the time and are better then I at it.

Yod I take it then that all Christian gentiles are also Jews or Israeli because we are in Christ. The True Israel of God. What is the essence of being a true Israelite? It is not the literal fleshly descent from Abraham, but faith in God.

What do you mean NO. Do you mean it never happened or that what the Jews when through was not such a big deal.

yod I believe this to be speaking of in the Spirit or in Christ. In the Spirit there is no marriage as such in the OT when man owned the woman. In the NC man and woman still marry but not as to one owning the other as in the OT times. This is what I believe it means in when it says they will not marry in the New Heaven. In Christ we are married to Jesus Christ. We know no one according to the flesh so the physical or fleshly things do not matter. We are to forsake all connections to the flesh whether jew or gentile because without Christ we are nothing. I think what your saying is that a jew maybe like a hand and a gentile maybe like a foot in the body of Christ and that one is no more important an the other. They just have different fuctions. If Jesus chooses to manifest Himself through a physically so-called Jew from lineage only Jesus would know. Is there any way of proving original heritage of a Jew nowdays seeing all records were destroyed in 70 AD? If so please let me know, I'm all ears. I'm not trying to get your goat man. Just posting this stuff to see if it stands the test of being true. If what I posted proves to be false I'll drop it from my list as fast as lighninig.

It was all fulfilled back when they rode in chariots.

John 3:16 Who are the real chosen people of God? Are the so called Jews today God

The Parousia The Parousia: Defining the Second Coming by Don K. Preston American presidents Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter and George Bush have believed that we are living in the last days before Christ

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