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....sorry, y'all, but i dont get it!?!? can someone explain it to me?...thanks!!

i mostly agree with everything y'all are saying, but one thing keeps coming to my mind. i watched a christian movie once and its main point was what happens when we take christ out of things that may considered good? if we take Christ out of things just for the sake of "good" then why do we even try to "promote" him? people will do good anyway. .....i hope that makes sence. to me it seems like christians are just settling for whatever means that they dont have to go out there with the word of God..... i'm not saying that's so with anyone here....it's just what came to my mind while i was reading this.

i found this in a kids blog on myspace.com. i think it was taken from question posted on a christian forum and i want to see what others think about all this. if i didn't know Christ i would say that he has some very valid points. my questions are (1) how would you "counter" something like this, (2) how would you "witness" to somone like this, and (3) what are your beliefs in the bible; litteral or figurative and why? jakeWrote: Do you know what a dispensation is? The Mosaic Law had under its Law the provisions against relations with a woman while she was menstruating and not eating pork or wearing mixed linens etc. But, the question is "Are we in that same dispensation today" "Do those same laws apply to us today?" The answer is no. We are not under the Law any longer. We are under Grace, ushered in by Jesus who brought Grace and became the fulfillment of the Law. Do you understand? Secondly, how can you be a big fan of Jesus unless you accept Him as God? His teachings were that He was God in the flesh--so either He actually was and is or He is a lunatic. There is no middle ground when you consider who Jesus actually claimed to be--that is--God manifest in the flesh. LouisWrote: (byt the way Louis is the athiest) First of all -- you are quite the apologeticist -- kudos on a complete rationalization of your faith. As for the doctrine of dispensation...why would an omnipotent god change the rules? You say 'dispensation', I say 'contradiction.' A perfect, all-knowing being comes up with a plan for humanity that includes the radical reworking of his own law? That is the best solution? I am a mere human, and I could improve upon almost all of gods methods and actions...as could you, were you willing to entertain such conjecture. And Jesus...you are seeing things from a literalist point of view, here. Point out the passage in the gospels where jesus says this: "I am literally the son of the jewish god yaweh, and am their long-promised messiah, who, according to prophesy, will lead the jewish people from the very earthly subjugation of foriegn rulers. I am going to be crucified by pontius pilate on golgatha and buried in a tomb by Joseph of Arimathea. Three days later, I will arise from the dead, because I am god, and I am all-powerful." Such a passage does not exist, my friend. What does exist in our version of the bible are cryptic annalogies, hegography, and poor translations of 3rd hand accounts, altered for 2000 years until today -- lots of "I am the son of man" and "I am he that is" mysticism. There is NO WAY to prove that ANYTHING quoted by the authors of the gospels accredited to Jesus is accurate. However, if one looks at jesus from a socio-political standpoint, what do we have? A radical egalitarian with progressive, modern, and humanistic views of women, criminals, and social justice. We have the beatitudes. We have jesus' rejection of the bloated, corrupt churches. We have the 2 greatest commandments. We have the episode with the money changers. We see a political rebel, mocking ceaser by entering jerusalem on a donkey, lauded with palm fronds instead of laurels. We see that jesus most likely anticipated his trial (for political rebellion) and his martyrdom (what other sentence was there to be had for a dissenter of rome?) and, in order to protect his apostles and amplify his message of self-sacrifice, allowed himself to be killed, rather than flee. THAT I can respect. SO, to sum up: 1) God changes the rules almost schizophrenically half way through the bible, when it is supposedly in his power to execute his 'plan' in a much more cogent fashion. 2) The bible is either the literal word of god, in which case god is a horribly contradictory writer, the earth is 6000 years old and created in 7 days, and there was a flood that literaly covered all of the land on earth....or the bible is figurative, and therefore open to interperetation, and addmittably changed through translation and hegography, in which case the few passages in which jesus hints at LITERALLY being the son of god could have easily been changed. You can't have it both ways. 3) The either or fallacy comes into play when claiming that jesus was either the son of god, or he was a crazy liar. I don't agree with all of bob marley's agenda, but that doesn't mean I can't admire him for putting an end to the political strife in jamaica. Stop thinking in absolutes -- you sound like your god.

i dont think i'd consider creationsism vs evolution vs gap theory etc...as getting "bogged down". i think this is a very very important issue. it's a nice "coincidence" that NewPilgram posted a link to Ken Ham (who, btw, i'd never heard of until today). he makes a very good point as to why taking the first 11 verses litterally is important. btw, thanks, y'all, for the responses. they've helped. do you guys have any advice as to how to help my husband. he's not sure if he even believes in God and i think a major part of it is b/c he agrees with the theory of evolution and doesn't understand how God and evolution can "co-exist".... i was just wondering if y'all had any ideas. like websites or book or something. thanks.

i'm new here so if i'm asking a question that has already been answered... sorry!!!! it seems like this has been brought up a lot lately for me. for the past couple of days i have been getting a lot of questions about creationism vs evolution and how they work together. my own husband asked me yesterday where cavemen came into the picture if i believed in creation. i'm just very curious about what other people think about all that. do you believe that the earth was litterally created in six days? how is all this compatable with what science "knows" about the creation of earth and evolution? just curious. thanks.

my husband and i have been married for almost one year. i 19 and he turned 19 two weeks after we got married. so obviously i dont think it's all that bad of an idea! BUT it all depends! Tony and have been doing great, but we've also been friends with each other sence our frehman year in high school and dated for almost two years before we got married. I knew from the begining that Tony was going to go into the coast guard and that meant (financially) we'd be at least alright (if that makes sence). i guess it all depends on how you feel about what God wants! a week and a half befor we got married i started to ask similar questions. i was about to call off the whole thing. Tony wasn't even going to be 19 we he got married!!!!!! but one night i was out in the front yard begging God to help me and it dawned on me; Tony and i know that we love each other and i know that God wants us to be together. i just wasn't sure when he wanted us to get married, y'know? i wasn't sure if we could handle it yet or if we could even financially make it. then i realised that i was completely ignoring one of my favorite promises from God: " And surley I am with you always, even to the very end of the age". God promises he'll take care of you, he promises that He'll take care of your fiance, and more importantly God promises to take care of your marriage!!! (if that's what supposed to happen) Marriage is a VERY imiportant thing to him!!! from there all i needed to do was to make sure that Tony and I were really "mant to be". everything else in my eyes was in Gods hands. it would have been in His hands whether we were together or not!....i guess the point is (sorry it's so long, but i know what you're going through. at least you started thinking about this months befor the wedding, i only had two weeks )...anyway, the point is, if you know you're supposed to be with him (not whether or not you can offord it, or how you two are going to change over time, ONLY if you two are "ment to be") then everything else is in Gods hands and ALWAYS will be. however, if you realise that you two aren't then it would be wise to talk with him and consider canceling. anywho, Tonys standing over my shoulder and being a butthead so i gotta go. i hope this makes sence and helps. sorry it's so long!!!!! ~megan

when ever people give me a "scientific" or "symbolic" arguement the first thing that comes to my mind is, duh!!! God created it all so why wouldn't it prove His existance and glorify him? i think that if some one debated that with me id have to "counter" with the "God created it all so why wouldn't it scream His glory" type of thing....hope that makes sense and is helpful.