Bob Dole

Bob, God sent his judgment on Israel many times over, not because they did not believe in God (they did), but because they chose to follow after other gods, as well. They did not make God their One and Only God. They allowed themselves to follow not only after other gods but the patterns of the world around them. They adopted the customs of people who followed after other gods. This, I believe, is a picture, not only of America but of the Church in America. We have become too worldly and we have adopted the culture of the world even in the Church. We have forsaken our first love and God is not our One and ONly God in America and in the Church in America. We are following after the gods of this world; the gods of our stomachs. We have become apathetic to the sin condition of our nation and of the Church. And, we follow the teachings of men more than we do the teachings of God. Case in point: Your response when I asked you where you learned methods of prayer. You learned them from the teachings of men, not from God and His Word. But, that is where you need to learn how to pray - from His Word. I don't recall the statistics, but there are more abortions done in the USA than in the rest of the world. I think it is like 1/3 of the population of NYC that has been aborted, or something really close to that. We don't know all the things that are going on in the government, either, but God does. There is so much going on in America and in the Church in America that we don't even realize, but God does, and he is willing to show you what he sees through his eyes if you will let him show you. You see, my knowledge of what God thinks about America does not come from my own thinking, it comes through His revealing it to me through time spent with him at his feet daily. The Bible says we have the mind of Christ, and God is willing to show us what is on his mind if we will just ask him. Why not take some time with Him and ask Him what he thinks about all of this? Ok I went through a lot of passages and found where God lets the Midianites rule Israel for 7 years because the Israelites were worshiping the god of the Amorites (the god of the people whose land the Israelites were inhabiting.) I think that applies to us when we start worshiping the god's of the Native Americans. I don't understand what you mean when you say we follow the gods of our stomachs so I can't really reply to that. I learned the method's of prayer from the teachings of men who have studied the word of God. Then when I find these methods I look for evidence in the bible that backs them up and I found nothing saying how to pray so these method's should be fine. If these methods are wrong, please explain why. The U.S. has a low abortion rate compared to other countries in the world. There are a little under 23 abortions for every 1,000 women. In Vietnam (the country with the highest abortion rate) that number is 83 for every 1,000 women. I found the numbers from this website - http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2504499.html If you truly believe I've been asking God his opinion of this nation incorrectly, please explain the proper method as I have not found it anywhere in the bible.

No. It is the judges job to enforce existing laws on the books, and not rewrite the laws My Web Blog You mean the laws that say the government should not show preference to one religion over another? The kind of stuff that would prohibit putting the 10 commandments in a courtroom (which would show government preference of a particular religion.) Show me where THAT law is please. I think you are referring to the 1st Amendment which states the following: Amendment I: Freedom of speech, religion, press, petition and assembly. Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an "ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION," or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It says NOTHING about separation of church and state! IT SAYS "CONGRESS" NOT THE SUPREME COURT, which made the law of separation of church and state. The supreme court is to interpret the constitution not MAKE NEW LAWS!!!! You have to understand the history behind the first amendment to understand what it means. Preferential assistance to a church would have fallen under establishment of religion in the United States back in 1791. That's why today the government won't post the ten commandments in a courthouse, it'll obviously show preference to a particular religion. It was originally going to forbid establishment of a national church, but in forbidding that you allow the government to still give preference to a church, they wanted to make sure that wasn't possible. The supreme court interpreted the first amendment correctly and made no new laws. I don't see how that letter shows "Separation of church and state" was not the intended interpretation of the first amendment. I don't see any mention of the first amendment at all, but I might not be looking in the right spots. Smoking isn't a right given to us in the first amendment, freedom to practice any religion we'd like is.

There is no scientific evidence of evolution though, fossils, whats funny is that in fossils dates you will find older fossils on top of the newer ones with carbon dating, Evolution is not based on science, but the philosiphy of man, and mans word, everything in the bible is accurate, and as far as carbon datings predating the bible, really search it, cause the carbon datings just prove moreso that the bible is accurate, but from an aithiest point of view, take God out, and you get we came from monkeys, Hey God is real, not just our minds, if your doubting, and falling away, ask him yourself. ...there's no scientific evidence of evolution? There are the fossil records, any situation where an older fossil is above a newer one has been explained (if you doubt this, please point me to an older fossil above a newer one, and I'll do my best to explain how that happened.) Evolution is absolutely based on science. The theory was developed with the scientific method, it has plenty of evidence backing it up, and it explains so many things we see in nature. Stuff like organs or bones that exist in animals that aren't used, because they're left over from whatever creature the animal evolved from. I haven't seen how carbon dating proves the bible at all, could you please show me where you get that idea? We can still come from monkeys and God, God could have started life and the process of evolution, why must the two be seperate?

Elton John is proof positive that homosexuality does breed anti-Christian bigotry. His whole argument for banning religion is that it breeds hatred for homosexuals. In addition, I am very much pro-Jew and anti-Nazi. While I disagree with their political beliefs, a large part of my hatred for Nazi-ism is the way they treated the Jewish people. There is an old song Elton John sang called "Tiny Dancer." One line says, "Jesus freaks, out in the streets." I have said they need to change the line to say, "Homosexual freaks, out in the streets," and see how they like it. His argument is that because of organized religion there is bigotry and hatred towards homosexuals. I'd have to say that's true, they can't marry, it's hard for them to adopt, they're often tormented and sometimes there's physical violence against homosexuals just for being who they are. He's not against all Christians, just the ones that want to dehumanize him and organized religion helps breed those people by telling them homosexuals are wicked evil people who should be punished. Even if you believe that they are evil, it doesn't give us the right to punish them, it's up to God to pass judgment, not us. You also seem to mention that you're anti-Nazi and the reason why as it is some sort of surprise why anyone would hate Nazism? Just thought that was kind of weird. The lesbian/gay community has God to blame for their discontent, not Christians. We didn't make the rules...we just follow them. The Jews have every right to feel animosity towards the Nazi's given their treatment by them. Your comparison is ridiculous. I don't remember any compassion being shown by the Third Reich? At least we attempt to have compassion for these societal deviants. J.M.O. We don't make the rules, but sometimes we follow them a little too extremely, the people who do are the people he has a problem with. Plus the rules say nothing about denying equal rights for gays, but we still do it. My point was that many Christians show hatred against homosexuals because they were taught to do so in church. Homosexuals are going to naturally dislike people who are against them. Elton John knows that Christians aren't the only groups against homosexuality, he says "I would ban religion completely" not "I would ban Christianity completely." Elton John actually agrees with the teachings of Christ, he doesn't like the church or organized religion though. A homophobe would be someone who is afraid of homosexuality. A gay person may not scare you, but if the idea of your children being gay scares you, you're a homophobe.

Homosexuality breeds anti-Christian bigotry as much as Judaism breeds anti-Nazi bigotry.

I'm confused, are you actually saying your scientific process is really to call something a fact, then change the rules to fit that "fact"? Why was there radiation in the perfect world that existed before Adam sinned (although, Eve did sin first)? For the half life of radioactive materials to have changed, there must have been radiation that was decaying. Eden had no death, so radiation couldn't have decayed, if it couldn't have decayed it couldn't have had a half life. Maybe after sin destroyed the world it could have decayed with a very short half life, eventually becoming longer and longer as years past. That would mean in 1,000 years if the half life of carbon-14 hasn't changed then the half life had always been the same and carbon dating actually does work. That is a long time to wait, although for now I'll assume it works because there are so many problems with a changing half life. There would be some method of detecting the change that someone would have been able to prove it by now.

No. It is the judges job to enforce existing laws on the books, and not rewrite the laws My Web Blog You mean the laws that say the government should not show preference to one religion over another? The kind of stuff that would prohibit putting the 10 commandments in a courtroom (which would show government preference of a particular religion.)

I haven't ignored anything you write here, Bob. But let's be realistic. The Word of God is a double edged sword, and you seem to look at it through rose colored glasses, and only see one side of the sword. No where does God teach us to tolerate sin in the Bible. While God is a loving, kind, patient, compassionate and merciful God, and true to His Word, without repentence and a turning away from sin, God gives stern warnings in His Word of what will happen. It is written Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction. Gal. 6:7 My Web Blog Again, gonna just make this quick, here's a quote from the bible (the one you don't quote, that follows "Plus the bible teaches us tolerance -" - But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

You seem to ignore a lot of things I write so I'll keep this short. The bible shows us cases of God sending down his wrath on nations that are primarily unbelievers and sinners. There isn't one case of him sending down his wrath on a nation where such an overwhelming majority of people are innocent believers.

I looked up "Methods of prayer" and found info on St. Simeon who wrote on three methods of prayer. There are plenty of websites on it too.

Do you make this up as you go along or is there some science to this all? I hope the scientific process isn't just - Step 1 - Come up with fact Step 2 - Change the rules so science supports the fact Step 3 - Profit! Ok, perhaps you leave out Step 3. Also, geologists take into account natural events (such as a volcanic eruption, of which there is plenty of evidence.) They can tell you if there was an eruption, when it occurred, how powerful the eruption was, just by studying the area around a mountain. If the universe was really as young as you say it is, scientists would actually have really good evidence to show it.

Deists, now that's funny!! If you were to actually read the articles themselves instead of quoting what other people have said about them, you will find that they weren't "deists," but Christian. The definition of Deism is as follows according to Merriam-Webster online dictionary: deism : a movement or system of thought advocating natural religion, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe Here is the article about the Thanksgiving Proclamation: By THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me

undone, is it breaking the third commandment because I'm posting it on Saturday? The people who wrote the Mayflower Compact weren't the founders of this country, they're loyal to the king. Also, George Washington was probably a deist, not a Christian. Most of the founding father's (the real ones, that wrote the declaration of independence, the constitution, bill of rights, that stuff that made America what it is today) were deists.

I'm saying your question doesn't make any sense. I ask about the paint because carbon dating tells you how old organic material is. Paint using crushed berries as a transfer medium would affect the results of the carbon dating. I ask you where the sample is being taken from because the paint may affect the results depending on what the paint is made out of. Carbon-14 is constant through the entire organism so carving the wood won't affect the results (unless you contaminate the sample to be dated with organic material on the blade.) Basically, if you have a pure sample of just the wood you're trying to date with no contaminants at all, you'll find out how long the wood was dead for (it won't tell you how long the tree lived because the carbon-14 doesn't start to break down till after the tree dies.) The main reason I say your question is confusing (other than some required information being left out), I just don't understand the relevance of the question. Were you just curious or does this actually pertain to the thread? Carbon dating is flawed. Many samples are thrown out for having dates that dont meet their expectations of the age of a site. Moreover, I know of sites in Alaska that carbon date to 50,000 years in the future. (That was told to me by the site researchers and is not in any report.) Read any archaeology report, and they should list the carbon 14 samples and the dates they got. They should then state why they discarded the samples that didnt match their preconceived notions. Dont believe me? Here is a portion of one article I found online quickly. Measurements of the marine reservoir effect on radiocarbon ages in the eastern Bering Sea / Dumond, D.E. Griffin, D.G. Arctic, v. 55, no. 1, Mar. 2002, p. 77-86 The marine reservoir effect is known to skew radiocarbon dating (marine samples appear "older" than terrestrial samples of equivalent age), but the magnitude of this effect is not the same in all locations. Dating of marine samples from the Bering Sea should thus either proceed with the expectation that age determinations may not be accurate within several centuries, or be approached through experimental measurement of reservoir effect among restricted faunal species in limited areas. Didn't I just say exactly that? Shellfish remains are common in coastal and estuarine archaeological sites, but dating these samples require a correction for the

How do you know this? Because the bible doesn't tell us to post the ten commandments in courtrooms?