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Depends on how he plans on acomplishing those things. Most important though, what is he going to do to restore the constitution from all the damage that has been done to it. Is he going to limit government Is he going to reduce government is he going to return us to a lawful currency is he going to return the government to a budget that relies on taxation of import exports instead of stealing our money is he going to stop illegals is he going to eliminate the department of ed and return our kids education to the local communities and parents I can go on but those are most important right now. Ya know I dont know the answers to all that. Ya know what else That is some real good questions. But you know the thing that needs to happen for those answers is this I dont think you or anyone else for that matter would take my word for it. So I ask you to research it out for your self so that you can know the answers for sure. msg me for the guys name if you want it

Thanks FresnoJoe You seam to be the only one who understood what I meant by what I was trying to say. It amazes me that some many would defend doing something that is more than likly not a good thing to do rather than take a few minutes and look at ALL the posibilties. I did not mean to sound like I am predicting the future. But i do readly believe that as a result of either the prime democratic party or the prime republican party would directly resault in this country sliding further downhill. I believe that bible does predict that we as true believers will come under trials and tribulations. After what i saw happen the first time Mrs. Clinton had access to the white house she scares the life out of me. Maybe you think I am just some bone head trying to manipulate you. If I am anything of the sort I am trying to get people to see that if we dont stand for whats right today we wont be able to tomorow. I have remember back when Mrs.Clinton was in the white house with her husband. She was pro abortion She was pro homosexual rights. But the thing one of you misunderstood about my statements is this. Homocexuals deserve rights becuase they are people not extra rights becase they are homosexual. homosexual as a minority status is wrong. You see what none of you know is this I lost my kids to a child abuser. and no one gave a crap especialy christians. The only people that would help me was the homosexual agenda if I claimed to be a homosexual that is. Frankly that makes me sick. I lost my kids becuase I would not become gay. Gays said be one of us and you will get your kids back Christians said I will pray for ya for a while. I apreicate every prayer from every person but here is one thing. Do you know that I had muslims praying for my kids too. How should that make a christian feel that Christians are the same as muslims when it come to people in need. As a resualt of all this I relized that people just plain dont care. I thought if i were to say here is something you did not know about maybe people would take a look I had one person willing to take the time to go outside the popularity contest voting and look at something that just might be more of their accual views. The rest of you found falt with my words over samantics becuase I did not word something quite perfect. I will not ask you to even look at anymore of this becuase frankly most of you just dont care you have your lives that you want to lead. it does not bother you that your country is running away from the bible at maximum speed. How many people who have posted this have taken the great commision seriously. Those of you who have really jumped my case what books are on your shelves what movies are on your shelves? Are they things that fallow Phil 4:8 or are they things that would be found on any athiest shelf? The comon person in the church is doing things that is right in his own eyes. You have taken the time to read this but before you rebutle it and say how dare I? I ask you to watch this. and then call me a _________ whatever it is you want http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...amp;category=tf http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...amp;category=tf

This is a salvation issue. Do you have any idea of how many are walking away from Christ in asia becuase of pretrib teaching. do you know why they walk away becuase for them the tribulation is already at hand even if it is not the great tribulation it is still tribulation and these missionarys teach this stuff to them and the believe it but then there government comes and says your faith or your life. if this was a daily thing happening you would see thousands of christians rejecting christ in this country please view this and ask yourself if put in this situation God my Lord what would I say if I was hear. I can not stress enough how much impoortance this is that you watch the movie and put your self in this pastors shoes and read YZF statements becuase you are risking each persons faith that you teach this. if you read your bible it is unbiblical to teach things as for sure when you really dont know for sure. better to have a millstone around your neck it says. Pre Trib teach is less than 100 years old some people say that paul taught it what is interesting is that if he did teach it they never passed it on to any one Not one persen Paul personaly taught pass pretrib on. i wonder why. Maybe becuase he never taught it Historical documents other than the bible show that it was never passed down if he had taught it it would have been more clear in the bible and others who wrote books after being taught by him would have wrote it down in ther copy of ther own books (such as journals and any other type book that could have been writen during that time) http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...amp;category=tf quote YZF [u][b]I sure hope that you are right. You're betting a terribly high price. Because the biggest problem with the "escapist" mentality of pretribulational rapturism is that if the resurrection of the Church does not occur before the seventieth week, then She is woefully unprepared for the events She must endure.[/b][/u] YZF GETS IT SOME ONE GETS IT that is the point do you understand that is the point Read YZF

I just wonder would you pose much threat if I were to break into your house and decide what you got is what I want? I think it would be worth the risk for me to break into your house and take what i want. You know why your house becuase if I went to one of these other dudes houses to get what I want I just might get dead. A depraved man might ask you How good looking is your wife? Understand sir that we as americans dont like to many rules to well. Why becuase over ruled equals eventual terany. Our consitution garentees us freedom of bear arms and any law that takes that away from us is treason. And we know it. We also know that when it comes right down to it there are giys that would not ask you the questions I did they would just come in and take what you have yeah even right down to your wife. is that souly the US that has people that bad Naa they are every where in every country, Do you know that if you look at history you will see that as the gun laws have went up so has crime. THere was at one point in our US history that we the people were aloud to have fully automatic machine guns at that time crime was amazzingly low. Interesting that today we have hundereds of gun laws yet how many crimes do we have today. What american needs is guns in the hands of responcable fathers. and bibles and prayer in schools in combination together we might find our crime go to an all time low? This will never happen becuase people are so stuck in there own lives that the dont give a crap to look around and see the gun controll and the Christ control that is bearing down on this country. In case you did not know this country is in threat of being destroyed. We kill millions of babys and we let Gays run churchs and we pass laws that makes what I just said Hate speach punishable by life in prison. We hand over our guns becuase of laws and sit on our buts eating bigmacs then they come and take the bibles away from our kids in school. and we sit and watch latest sports game, we are not as a civillian country out killing people in the streets we are just to D*** lazy for that, We are not even out saving souls taking God serious about the great commission. We are to busy with idle banter on the internet. By the way I have shared my faith twice this week, I am reading books on how to be a better witness as well, This is 47 minutes long but if you truly want to be a servant of Christ you might want to watch it http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...amp;category=tf this one is only just over 6 minutes Please put your self in the shoes of this pastor make your self feel what you think you would feel in his place http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...amp;category=tf This one may come across as weird to a few it to is short But as the opening line says what if this really did happen to you. If it happened to me I would cry out the rest of my life and never stop ever. http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...amp;category=tf And the reason I posted what I did is becuase I am angry that I am so alone our here i have no one to share stories with about one day i shared with this person and one day i shared with that person I AM ALONE AND I DONT LIKE IT if any of you had the courage to watch and finsh all 3 of those movies. and your heart was moved.' Please goto www.markcahill.org he has books available to help those who get full of fear when the share there faith. They are by donation he sends them out with out you sending a dime. It is on you if you are going to contribute to his minstry by the way,,,, what he does every day he preaches to churches to get busy with the great commision and every other day he is out in the streets reaching out to save the lost. I am not saying how great he is although I think he has his priortiees much better than most. All I am saying is that when he read the orders in the bible to go out and spread the good news he did it. he is still a man and he most likely comits sin but at least he is in the field after souls and not sitting watching reruns of the Ateam. I want some thing he's Got and that is just plain his courage to go out of my comfortzone and share my faith

Did you know that there is a presidentual canidate that thinks that asult weapons belong in your hands? Do you know why he thinks they should be in your hand? Because he is conserned that at some point this government just might get out of hand and start hurting its people without cuase. Did you know this man also thinks that Man/Woman is the only thing that consittues marriage? Did you know this man thinks that abortion should be made illeagle? Did you know this man states that faith is a major part of his campain? Would you guys accualy vote for a guy that feels this way?

nevermind no really gives a darn if this country is run by hillary clinton When she has control and christians are murdered in the streets for their faith then maybe you will think about this

I'm A Coward Sweet Talking Brother You Have A Unique Way Of Gaining Votes For The Presidential Candidate Of Your Choice. Think You'll Have Much Success Selling This Fellow By Calling Our Beloved Brother A Coward. Unless Of Course, You Are Really Working For The Other Guy. I Have Been Voting Since The First Year I Was Allowed To Vote. You See, In The Far Far Dim Past In The USA You Had To Be 21 Or Older To Vote. After I Had Served Four Years In The USN I Was Finally Allowed. So I Voted For Barry Goldwater (1964). However My First Political Campaign Was As A Kid When I Worked In 1952 To Get Dwight David Eisenhower Elected President. Ike Was My Commander-In-Chief My First Year In The Navy. How Cool Was That! In My Heart I Truly Believe There Is No King But King Jesus. Daily I Pray For His Rule Upon Earth. As For Dragon Killing And Such, Coward That I Am, I'll Just Hide Behind My Lord.... Old Michael Jude 1:9 My LORD Zechariah 3:1-2 Have Fun In The Elections. Pray For The Peace Of Jerusalem Keep Your Sense Of Humor You Are Going To Need It. Keep The Faith. Philippians 4:8 Be Blessed Beloved The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Your Brother Joe You missed it. It was people like you who stood for this country when we needed it. It was people like you who stood for Isreal when they Needed it. You are a man who serves his country You are a patriot among people who dont realy believe in Patriotism. You sir were never a coward in the past So I ask you simply this dont pass on a president becuase of you are sure he will loose. How many men do you know went into battle knowing they were going to loose their lives but did it anyway. They were not cowards when they thought they were gonna loose many of them may have lost in those battles. How Joe Can you take the high road back then and stand for God and Country and then seriously look at takiing the low road becuase you think the best man for the job will loose. Take the High road again Joe This is a war and the enemy is inside our borders and they want God removed from america today. I never fot a war Joe like you have. But I do know that the stakes in this battle are just has high as any and every battle you fot for back then. Joe with Guys like you having a chance to stand for our rights and freedoms just one more time maybe just maybe we stand a chance to get God back in america again. Mike may loose this election But I trust God that he is the one that God would guide into making this country the great nation is what. You see Joe I pay some attension to current stuff and leaders things they say and do. These are a few things that popular leaders are doing in the states and want for this country 10 comandments gone from area's of views constitution gone Freedom of speach Gone Freedom of Religion gone Marriage Gone Please those things should be important to you fight to save them.

Ira, you are saying that if i cant vote for anyone in the next election and have a completely clear conscience for all that they stand for then dont vote for them, even if it means not voting at all. Ira, i can tell you, there is not going to be a canidate to ever run in any year that either myself or you will agree with fully. Maybe there are Christians that will run, and maybe during their campaign they will make great promises and speak of how convicted they are. But let me remind you of our current president, who in his first election promised such things, made his alliance with Christianity known and understood. And look where it has taken us. We've been at war with Iraq since 2003, trying to 1) Overthrow a tyrant, 2) Find Osama Bin Laden, 3) Set up a democracy in a country where democracy can never live. The country has been and always will be what it started out to be. So we got rid of Saddam. Ok, great, there's still millions of people who live in that country who will go on living the way they were raised. Let me also remind you of Ted Haggard. While he claimed to be a great man of God, and yes, did help many come to Christ, in the end, he didnt stand for what he claimed. So are you saying that the people who put Haggard into his position must one day stand before God and answer why? No. Inevitably, because of the way republicans have looked in the past 8 years, we will probably have a democratic president. I cant say that for sure, but it doesnt look good for republicans. So if and when we do get a president whom you dont stand for, and you didnt vote, will you still complain? Will you complain about what an awful job the new president is doing, simply because you didnt agree with what he stood for? If you didnt' vote, how could you complain? Even if there isn't a canidate whom we can fully support, as christians, we must vote. We must decide who will do the best job of running our country. Who will make the best diplomatic decisions. Who will get us out of the mess we've made in Iraq? I dont think God cares who you vote for. I dont think when Judgement Day comes that "Political Party" will be on God's checklist. We must vote for who we think will do the best job, not who the best christian is. I think voting based on religion principles is foolish. You missed the point If The Canidate is a lyer and you believe that lye you are not at falt. As far as bushes war on Iraq I suport it fully becuase I also suport Isreal. At the exact time you vote if you are voting with conscience then that means you are doing the best you can do with what you have it is not your falt that the last canadate lied during election. As far as completly agree with some one you are correct that will more than likly not happen HOWEVER. Would it not be better to do the right thing a vote for a guy that to date has suported Chistianity with his actions? I dont know who haggard is I am sory no clue as to what you are talking about. I can honestly tell you this if a person can vote for a democrat they are more than likly a false convert or not a christian at all. Voting pro gay rites is wrong Voting Pro abortion is wrong. And thinking that we only have the democratic party or the republican party to vote for is wrong, keep in mind that the major democrat running is Hillary Clinton to vote for her is to as well have satan take over this country with a welcome mat. THE POINT YET AGAIN There is at least one man who is running who stands for these things Faith Isreal Man and Woman marriage Constitutional rights I am saying Thoughtful Please be thoughtful of what you do. dont vote for 1 of the 2 who will more than likly win vote for the one that stands for the foundation of this country and the foundation that the bible states is most important. There is almost 20 possible people to vote for right now. and I am going to strait up tell you One of those guys is has God at heart. and if we as believers stand up for what is right and take action now NOW NOW This guy might just win. If you stopped arguing with me and found out who the guy is and then stood up and did what I am doing then we are both taking action Further if you have the guts to vote for Hillary Clinton with her past and preasant standing such as what they have been and are You need to ask God for a serious Truth encounter. That woman WILL lead this country to the point where God WILL do something MOVE OVER SADOM AND GOMORAH You havnt seen nothin yet of the rath of God. And The guy from new york whos name I cant spell I dont think he is any better. One man stand for God and Country dag nabit and if that is a lye well at least we did the right thing I cant second guess everything I take what the man siad at face value (i would the same for you.) and if he is a lyar then that between him and God not YOU NOT ME becuase we trusted a mans word does not the bible say a mans word is his honor or something simular to that. it does say say what you mean and mean what you say. So take it that is what is going on. Hillary is doing it she means what she says and says what she means. You vote for her you vote for women have rights but unborn do not To vote for her you vote for Homosexuals should have minorty status and are special becuase they are gay. Last thought most of us think we are in the end times and frankly that means this either we are the eagle that saves Isreal or we are destroyed. If we are the eagle our next leader needs to be a man of God if we are destroyed then it can be one of the major canadates. But I am telling you You have a personal Choice to make in wether this you particpate in the distruction of this country or the salvation of it. I will Choose the a way that makes us stand a chance at being that eagle that saves Isreal Lot begged God if I can find one person will you spare sadom and gamorah and God said yes. I WIL BE THAT ONE THAT WAS FOUND WONT YOU???????

Zadox Rox Please understand I am not TELLING any one who to vote for. Just that we NEED to do whats right by biblical standard. What is the difference between lying stealing and murdering or opting to put some one as the head of this counrty who does thoughs things. TO thoughtfull I am saying that if you can not vote for any one in the next election and have a completly clear conscience for ALL that they stand for dont vote for them even if It means not voting at all. But I will also say there is a christian running all the issues he stands for Christs ethics. For instance He says that this country should stand with Isreal no mater what. That is a XTREEMLY important issue considering the war on terror isue. So again vote for some one who you can vote for and KNOW that you could go before God and God would not be able to say "Why did you DO this?" Put all your Christian ethics first and then find a person to vote for. JESUS FIRST JESUS WILL FOR OUR LIVES

Hope is a Christian beliefe in things unsean in others you can really only have hope for those things that God has lead you to or to do with faith building This has nothing to do with hope IT is more about being obiedant to the word of God no matter what. If you can honstly belive that voting for Mr Rudy or Mrs Clinton is a obedient thing to the cuase for christ then do it. But I am implying that we can do better. And I am going to tell you what the country is more like Sadom and Gamorah The few Christians that we have in this counrty seam pasfied with sitting and saying Lord await your return Please Lord this world is bad. How many Christians today are lieraly saying Lord we are scared our country hates you as a general please Lord heal our land. The bible never says sit and wait for HIS return. And those that do I wonder if they are false converts or not. So I believe in doing the write thing Christians need to strive for Gods wisdom and not there own. So that is why I placed this here Do you have the courage to do whats right in the eyes of God or are you a coward so you do what is popluar in the eyes of man

what is sin? If I lie am I a lier? If I steal something am I a thief? If I kill some one am I a murderer? If take someone else wife or husband am I a adulterer? If I stand silent when someone is falsly accused am I a lyer? If look away while my friend takes something am I a thief? If I hate some one am I a muderer? If I look in lust am I a adulterer? If I allow a lier to lie what am I? If I allow a freind to steal what am I? If I allow some one to kill what am I? If I allow someone to hate what am I? Should I speak up for what is right? When should I speak up for what is right? This next year many of you will vote most of you will vote vote for either a democrat or a republican which ever you feel is closest to what you feel is most important? If you think abortion laws are the most important you might vote republican. If Jobs are more important you might vote democrat. Truth of the mater is this Bible says you cant serve two masters either you love one and hate the other or love the other and hate the one, If I steal something i am a thief if I let my friend steal something and dont tell them "hey thats wrong" Im not much better than a thief. If you vote for the lesser of two evils you are still voting evil. You are taking part in a evil action. It would be better if you did not vote at all then to vote for a lesser evil. I will not tell you how to vote. what I will do is show you this site it is the has links to the myspaces of all the 08 canidates. You search it out http://impact.myspace.com/ All I care about is that YOU DO WHAT IS RIGHT IN THE SITE OF GOD NO MATER WHAT. as much for what is right as what i think he does I am asking you to do what is right when and if you go to a voting bothe this next year I am also including this letter i sent to a pastor who write for News With Views web paper What I am about to say you may find very ofensive, but becuase of the position you are in and I am not I think it needs to be said You have a listening audience and I do not. I will not cuss at you or anything like that BUT I will ask you some very hard questions that make you very very angry at me, and that is ok with me. 1st Do you have any teaching that some sin is ok? Is abortion every right for any reason type thing. If you can see that sometimes sin is the corect thing to do. Such as abortion is ok if the woman was raped. Then I ask you the next question. 2nd If you are ok with some forms of sin are you truly a believer in the biblical truth of Jesus Christ? Is the bible the inerrant word of God? Do you fallow the scripture to the best of your ability? 3rd I will assume that you are very angry by now but the answer to the 2nd line of questioning was all yes If it was no to any of those questions I then I guess it is best to disreguard this whole letter. But saying it was you do agree with all staments above in questions 2 I move to 3 Voting for the lesser of evils is not right. anyone that can call themselves a republican or democrat should automaticly be disqualified from a christians ability to vote for them. To vote for the lesser of 2 or 3 evils is still suporting evil. To suport evil in any format is wrong I am sure that God is black and white when it comes to doing the right thing every time. My point is this If you are a true bible believing man that believes in ALL biblcal truth, I would rather vote for you then the other primary canidates. I dont care if by voting for you or some one like you is waisting my vote to most people. I am out to do the right thing and please God. I dont care what any man thinks about it. If a person can honstly set aside some of thier christian ethics to vote for some one that has one or more things that are against biblical truth I would honestly ask them are you truly a christian, are you sure of your salvation? To vote for a lesser evil is the only way I can see that we truly throw away our vote. So I believe that we should vote with our conscience. And that might just mean that we vote for some one who more than likely will loose but at least we did the right thing before the only one who makes a difference. I encourage you sir to pray about this heavly. Can you in good conscience suport a man that does not suport God all the way to the last action he makes. Please sir consider where you are leading your readers. Please take a stand for truth. I am sure there is one guy that is going to run this next election who is a honnest sincere Believer in Jesus Christ. In my research of canidates for this election and tracking down the offical websites from myspace I found one that stood a little more hard line for Christian Values and ethics and the Constitution of this country even saying that faith belongs in politics that may make some of you mad but you need to relize that seperation of Church and state was never consitutional it was in a letter please forgive me i forgot the author of that letter it was for sure one of the founding fathers of the US But seperation of Church and state means that government should not control Chruchs it does not mean though that we as believers should not Control government In another post as soon as I get it ready you will see how Gods system would work versus what we currently have and I dont mean a theocrasy that is later. I mean a bible believing system that is run in a way to glorfy God and have a few freedoms left at the same time. I hope and pray that by the time you read this that you all will either hate me or you are ready to do what is right not in my eyes or yours but Gods No man is perfect but Christ especialy politcians but this guy as near as I can tell is as close and a non deity human can get believe me if Jesus was runin I would vote for him cuz he is perfect but since hes not I will take a regular dude who says God first as much as any human can http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?Fuse...&Issue_id=9

what is sin? If I lie am I a lier? If I steal something am I a thief? If I kill some one am I a murderer? If take someone else wife or husband am I a adulterer? If I stand silent when someone is falsly accused am I a lyer? If look away while my friend takes something am I a thief? If I hage some one am I a muderer? If I look in lust am I a adulterer? If I allow a lier to lie what am I? If I allow a freind to steal what am I? If I allow some one to kill what am I? If I allow someone to hate what am I? Should I speak up for what is right? When should I speak up for what is right? This next year many of you will vote most of you will vote vote for either a democrat or a republican which ever you feel is closest to what you feel is most important? If you think abortion laws are the most important you might vote republican. If Jobs are more important you might vote democrat. Truth of the mater is this Bible says you cant serve two masters either you love one and hate the other or love the other and hate the one, If I steal something i am a thief if I let my friend steal something and dont tell them "hey thats wrong" Im not much better than a thief. If you vote for the lesser of two evils you are still voting evil. You are taking part in a evil action. It would be better if you did not vote at all then to vote for a lesser evil. I will not tell you how to vote. what I will do is show you this site it is the has links to the myspaces of all the 08 canidates. You search it out http://impact.myspace.com/ But I am going to tell you one thing as I looked through it all and chased the official sites down One man stood a little higher by my book below is his offical site opening directly to his issues page. As you read you will note he takes a real hard stand for what is right on EVERYTHING even our constitution. All I care about is that YOU DO WHAT IS RIGHT IN THE SITE OF GOD NO MATER WHAT. Even if you think this guy that I like has something that makes him not stand as much for what is right as what i think he does I am asking you to do what is write when and if you go to a voting bothe this next year http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?Fuse...&Issue_id=9

and Jesus says "I have lost none of them"....God's Elect cannot be lost Better yet yzf (Do you care enough to make a change in the eternal destiny?) yep I am a Mark Cahill fan as well Infact I am changing my whole life as a result of those questions it is about Dang time someone gives a rats rump and takes some action and i want to be one of the first to vollunteer I watch the gab of this room and wonder How many PEOPLE have you reach out to for Christ today? Yzf If you feel like it drop me a line I have some information you might enjoy if you dont already have it that is ......

So here is the real question today every second 7 people are going to step of this planet into eternity with or with out Faith in Jesus Christ. 1st question Do you even give a darn?

IF you look back aways in this topic you will knowtice that two people Debated this on this board some time back. I was one of the 2 debaters. Akabu was the other. We bacame friends as a result although i dont think either of us change our minds. But we did become friends for sure So I begin again on this topic To those that believe Pretrib Rapture. F 1st we find that as we study the word The concept of rapture is there but NOT the literal word. But that is ok becuase trinity is not there either and that is true. So here is the point as mentioned below Paul did mention the thought of Rapture in Theslonians I will assume that he is talking about 1st Thes 4:16 The descrition there sure sounds like Pretrib. But wait,,,,,,,WAIT WAIT WAIT what about 4:17 YOU MUST READ 4:17 I sincerly beg you to read 4:17 The Dead in Christ must raise 1st OK Now Read Rev 20 Read all of it When are the dead in Christ raised acording to Rev 20? Final thought READ THIS PLEASE If you are still totaly convinced that PreTrib Rapture is the way I have to ask you this. ARE YOU SO SURE OF PreTrib Rapture YOU WILL RISK MY SALVATION ON IT. Becuase if I change my mind about this and believe you that puts me at risk. You take a new believer reading this or getting taught in your church this. They believe it and then the anti Christ shows up and says fallow me take this mark. I just might do it becuase after all This man claiming to want to save the world can NOT be the anti christ becuase I am not raptured yet. Listen I really dont care if you believe in this or not......BUT what i do care about is this. WHAT IF I AM WRONG? Then I get raptured and find myself looking down on the world kinda confused but happy that I am on my way to heaven. RIGHT? WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG? That puts you having to deal with the anti christ unsure if he IS the anti christ and may assume that this ID thing he wants you to take is most likly NOT the mark of the beast and so you take it. Can a person who takes the mark still go to heaven? Not only that Picture this you are driving down the road with me siting right beside you. Sudenly I say turn here RIGHT NOW there is a wreck ahead you turn on the exit and get off the free way will you still brace for impact NO becuase you avoided the wreck. What if I yell watch out. You will brace for impact and try and be ready for impact. Meaning just this If Jesus comes 1st and you are ready for the wreck this world is going to turn into You might save a life (store food store bibles Store Salvation Tracks) If Jesus does NOT come back before Tribulation then you have this stuf to use your self. Last week a man told me God will provide my needs when I told him that. So I asked him about this verse Consider the ants you sluggard. it made him think AINTS PREPARE FOR WINTER. Joseph of the old testament went to the king and told him what it ment. 7 great years of plenty then 7 realy bad years of famon SO KING STORE UP FOR THE BAD YEARS. Does God ever expect his children to go through the hard times with preparation He did not take Joseph away from hard times he brought him through hard times and used him to lead other to TRUTH Becarefull friends becuase if you are wrong about this one thousands will pay the price by taking the mark. And GOD WILL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY ONE THAT YOU LEAD TO THIS BELIEFE AND THEY TAKE THE MARK AS A RESULT. i love you all and dont want to see anyone in hell becuase they made a mistake based on something they did not understand ignorance is no excuse according to the scripture

Can you Please tell me the location of where Paul thought pretrib. I have done a major study in the bible and found no evidence of that. I also have talked to some historians and found that is common knollege that Pre trib beliefe has only surfaced in the past 100 or so years. If Paul did beieve that why is it that only the last 100 years worth of people figured it out. And NOt the 2000 years precdeeding it. Why did Paul not tell people of his day that he felt that way. Paul talked to many people I am sure some of them wrote NON biblical books. That does not mean the books are bad just not the bible But there is no mention that he (Paul) believed that. At least that I am aware of and why if he did did he only mention it a time or two in the bible. The last thing is the most important this is where I started it is where I will stay. To those of you who believe Pretrib Rapture. I ask you study the events that are Post rapture. KNOW them well So that JUST in case you might be wrong you will see the event and change your mind becuase there is SOLID evidence. For instance If the Temple that is to be built in 3 days gets built consider that maybe the rapture did not and is not going to happen PRE. If you see a man make a agreement (abomination of desolation) Please be where Rapture was skipped. Final thought If I am wrong and you all are right I will find my self seeing the rapture. and being in heaven. BUT If I am wright those of you who are so devout to this beliefe would naturaly assume that this wonderfull man is wonderfull and think he is not the anti christ. Hence I believe the great falling away. Please just keep your eyes open if I am wrong GOOD GOOD GOOD GOOD Got it GOOOOOODDDDD If I am wright My heart goes out to you becuase I dont want you to be duped by that evil man. You could say Dont worry You are wrong so that wont happen please look at the arogance of that thought if you felt that just before you saw this. I am not here in agument but in I cant stand the thought of my brothers and sisters falling for the enemies traps. As A foot note In the last years that has been many people sent to Asia as you know Asia is very abusive on Christians. There has been many teachings that Pre-Trib is true in Asia This has created MANY MANY Asians turning away from Christ becuase of what is going on to christians over there as far as they are conserned tribulation is not a thing of the future it is NOW and Rapture is a fairy tail. If you fallow the Christian News media at all you will find many children being killed by parents for there faith. And many others I have seen so many emails of young girls killed becuase they fallow christ.13 - 17 year olds beheaded becuase they will not turn back to pagan beliefes. Please consider these thoughts Pray about them. Dont ask God to confirm what you already believe Just ask Him for the TRUTH The preceeding is from a man you cares greatly about the souls of his fellow brethern Well that's your "opinion" and you are entitled to it. However, the apostle Paul taught the Pre-Tribulation Rapture in 1Thessalonians long before John Darby existed. I'm constantly amazed how people go to extrabiblical sources to argue against that which is biblical. Peace CJ

thomas I dont believe in any of those 3 nore do i say i am right about what i do thnk

Akabu The Man after Gods own heart No matter whos right You got what it takes to make it either way.... I like your atitude and would like to call you a close friend!

akabu What you have said is streat from the bible no disagreeing with that. What i missed was whare I am wrong or maybe you were not trying to say that not sure. Here is the one and only mistake you made in what you did say. You assume I dont believe in preTrib rapture. The truth is I DONT KNOW! i did for some time but now I am not sure. So i want to let people know be prepaired for the anti christ dont succer for him if we dont get to go......am i absolutly right about this I dont know maybe maybe not....... I want you and every christian to be prepaired for what if.....that is all...The bible does say we should prepare . there is a verse i cant remember where that says consider the ants you sluggard.....in other words ants prepair for things all summer I dont need to be right i realy realy dont......all I want is you the reader. to say to the anti christ if you face him and the likes to say I choose JESUS CHRIST NOT YOU YOU ARE THE FALSE CHRIST This is important to me.....this is heaven or hell issue. So please forgive me.........I dont want to start a fight I want to save a soul from taking up the mark

Akabu I will share with you the answers that can be looked up (I however have just gotten back from one realy long trip I got stranded 250 miles from whare I was to be and had to walk to much of it and realy dont feel well enough to look it all back up in my notes. Maybe when i dont feel like I got hit by a truck Q1 Who raises first A A1 The dead in Christ Q2 When do they rize A2 They will be riased streat into the Great white throan judgement. Q3 when is the Great White throan Judgment? A3 Right after the milleniums end and the final war is over. Closing thought. My fears: If you are right where does that leave m? Answer. A little confused but Glad of it in Heaven. If I am right whare does that leave you? Answer. Possible staring at a world leader not thinking he is the anti Christ So there fore doing what ever he says. It is my understanding that the bible talks of a great falling away. My worry is that people good normal church going people will be saduces by this monster they will say he is not the anti christ becuase we are still here so this man is ok their hearts will slowly poision and they will make dissions that such as taking the mark thinking it is not the mark. After a time he will say he is christ and I fear that those people will be so harderned of heart they will fall into his way. One thing that really Bugs me about this is that Pretrib rapture beliefe is proven to be less the 150 years old. If it is true why did so many not see it back when? Such as Peter and Paul and those. You will find no indacation that they really taught a pretrib rapture IE using a form of the word rapture. This does not occur untill the late 1800's when people started believing this. In fact I am not sure about this but it may have started in 1914. That bothers me Why becuase many bad religions (not worshiping Christ as GOD) were started then. Am I right? I dont know I just know I want to Hope for the Best and prepare for the worst.

akabu Please take the time to aswer these questions for your own self you do not need to respond unless you want to. What I am talking about is not dates it is events. such like this 1st you parents got married 2nd they had you or a sibling 3rd they had you or a sibling Q when did they get married A 9 months before you or your sibling was born. Who is called first? (in the rapture) when are they called? (the Next event) When does that occur? (the event that ended before the above event happened.) This is not a brain teaser or me being a jurk. If you take the time to read it out and find the answers to these questions. You will read it yourself and may give it some thought. I did not include the answers or the versus. becuase I want you to look it up and not find arguments where how or why I am wrong. Mabe I am but what if I am not final thought to all those that read this find the txts and get mad at me. If you are correct where does that leave me? If I am correct where does that leave you? You see I dont care if I am wrong it is ok with me. But if you could be wrong then it is time for someone to care.

Hi Failed It pains me so greatly to see that name on these boards. I to have been wounded by the church it goes on every day what the church continues to do or I should say not do. I understand that pain all to well. I have one request for you though Please Oh Please ad the prefix UN to your name. I have been studing the bible and the church I can say this it is the church that is failing. Chruches dont believe in what is right anymore. Every whare I go i find people who are in trouble in one of 2 ways they are in need and the chruch says go to the state for help. (whares that in the bible) OR I am findiung a diamond in the rough who is getting yelled at by the church for helping the poor. There is a widow on this board crying out for help. She needs a a man from her church to help her out she may or may not need a new husband but she does need the men of the church to stand. She needs the acountant of her church to stand up and say I need your bills and check book consider the bills paid. I know she is be buried with all the things that she once shared. SHe needs some one to take the kids for a few hours to sit and think and pray. She needs a church to function as God said. Its not going to happen she is alone and the church will not stand with her as the bible says she may get a food box a hi how are ya I will pray for ya. Some times Gods people should stop praying and start doing (this is not about any one at worthy) Prayer is good But action is better. God did not tell us to just pray for our friends needs help them as well. If you have 5 cars and only need 2 give one to the man down the street so he can get a job and feed those 4 kids. Heck ask him a week later hows the gas tank Ill fill it . If you have it start giviing it. This poor man calls himself a failed Christian not becuase He has failed God any more than the rest of us he feels like he may have failed more I believe because He was failled by the church. To failed Christain Go find a church even maybe Go back to the old one tell your wife she needs to Go as well. Make a stand say this to the church I am one ....One man who...will NOT let the poor go hungry or homeless.... One Man who will NOT let the widows sit alone and scared and unsure...... One man who can open his wallet and tythe to that church and alm a little to. Sir read what a church is in the bible go to the pastor and tell him this is what a church is this is what the bible says and pastor I am here to FUNCTION as the church join me Or fight me I dont care. I am one man who WILL SERVE GOD. TO the rest who read this If any one does at all. Please oh Please stand with God for a new functional chruch. Dont let any more men and women feel as failed christian Be ONE the ONE that stands for the meek stands for the lonly stands for widow stands for the poor.

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