Manji

So, not even Jesus could be consoled from God because all chance of that was ellimanated by original sin. Now it is possible to be consoled because Jesus did the deed of dying without sin and being foresaken by God. Is this correct?

I think Jesus said this because he had to be foresaken by God to do the deed of bearing the weight of man's sin. What our your thoughts or that which is taught about this line in the Bible?

Do you have to be baptized to be right with God? If you do not get baptized and do everything else will that be okay with God? Or is it a neccessity to all Christians for all Christians to be baptized?

It seems that if we did not have the ability to not choose God then we wouldn't be as we are. We would be more like robots and less like something greater. Am I on the right track? It was not temptation that lead Eve to sin, it was ignorance of. Eve was very innocent? If only she knew the truth about what would happen. This lucifer makes me more angry as I speak. Without lucifer deciet we would still be an allie to God but because of that evil deception we became like an enemy. God could have destroyed us. Maybe start over. But instead, a redeemer was in order. I wonder would've happen if Adam refused to disobey God and left his wife as it was. Does anyone here agree that by Christ, we can practice letting go and dispassion from worldly things through mindfulness and meditation? Does such practice make us allies to God?

I am sure this question has been asked here ten thousand times and over... Is it the story of Genesis that explains why we are born with sin or with the nature to act sin? In life, we experience, desire and temptation and we might act on it and commit an act of sin. We are all born with these sort of forces going on inside of us. But through Jesus Christ, spiritual cultivation, we attain liberation, freedom from, and spiritual maturity. If we fail, we ask for forgiveness and change are ways with courage. The wage of sin is death. This is can be a motivating factor although I do not think we should practice spiritual attainment out of fear alone or mainly because of fear. But, I can imagine others saying that we are denying a nature that we are. Why would God create us with this nature only having to deny it? The only answer I can think of is the story of Genesis, but even then that does not work because we fell into temptation and disobeyed God. The fruit had its impact. We were casted into a world of suffering as a result for punishment. But surely God did not create us for the sole purpose to deny a nature that we are. Adam and Eve weren't made that way were they? But then, they did disobey, the temptation was there. As if we were designed to deny a nature that we are. Then of course the tree was there. If it was not there then paradise would still be with us. So, what is the cause for this sinful nature?

That clarifies much. So, it really is effort and process and choice. It is not to say that in life God's forgiveness has limitation. To make effort to accept Christ and reject temptation is a spiritual process that requires effort. To fail only means to ask for forgiveness and continue to change one's ways in Christ our lord. We keep doing this until we get it. Sin is disobeying God, unwholesome acts, unethical conduct. God's forgiveness is not gonna stop after the first time. Probably will stop until after your dead. I have to keep trying. Not pray once and act perfect from there on knowing that if I sin once again God is not gonna forgive me. It isn't like that. Rather, it is endless effort and time to try to be spiritually mature and reject sin not fall into temptation with Christs help.

To be sanctified, born again, to live a life where you never sin once more, depending if sin only is about the keeping the 10 commandments or more than just ethical conduct, will not happen in an instant. There is no action or prayer that can cause any person to be perfect or Christ like forever through out their life? It really is a matter of effort on every person part to attain that nature. Is it possible to live any fleeting moment in existance without sin? Is it possible to lead a life of never sinning again? How likely is this? Does it take time or is right away?

My room mate has mentioned to me his perspective of what Heaven is according to the Bible; and he mentioned that it is not a place we go to after we die right away. Rather, we die, wait for judgment, then live on a new earth that God will prepare for us. But, the New testament talks about it as a kingdom that we do go to righter after die, and right after God judges right after we die it seems to me. So my question is, from everyone's expertise on the Bible, how would you describe it? Is there any chance to argue this possibly contrary idea of Heaven just being paradise on earth after God judges all souls etc? Or not? Please share your thoughts. Thank You.

Say that a draft was passed. Should I go to war or should I go to jail? If I kill another person in war, am I pardoned by God in some way for doing that, or am I absolutely in no way excused for killing another person in war.?

Does Lucifer anywhere in the new testament temps Jesus? What did Lucifer Temp Jesus with? Where is it located?

I do not understand - the Bible is the Christian Canon. No offense taken. Thanks for you reply. I missed typed. I wanted to say if the movie was accurate according to the Bible. Thanks for the clarifacation from the first poster I read about the movie on Wikilpedia and now understand what I was looking at. THank You.

I remember watching a movie way back where Jesus in this movie secludes himself from the city or people, goes alone in the desert, draws a circle and sits in the center vowing now to leave until God instructs him or something like that. Jesus is then tempted and defeats the temptation like a beautiful woman as one for example. I was wondering if the Bible was accurate according to the official Christian Canon or accurate to any other literature no matter how unorthodoxed. If it is in the Christian Canon could someone clarify where cause I would not like to read it, if not I just wonder more about where it came from. Thank You.

There's no way you can argue that by floatingaxe saying this, "As I seek to serve God with my whole life, I just have no time or inclination for anything like that. Furthermore, why would a martial art like Judo have any attraction? Throwing a fellow human being down is considered a joyous occasion and God-honouring? Hardly." that he/she will not do it because of what it might be based on. But because God has him/her to be this way. He she is saying, I do not do Judo because, because it is not interesting, not because it is related to other religion, but because of God. Now let me explain in more depth.... Read carefully. Floatingaxe told me in a msn messenger conversation there form floatingaxe, he/she would not do Judo because it is a sin for him/her. Not because of its relationship to the other religion. but because of God. I explained to floatingaxe that it is not related to foreign religion and that person still said they wouldn't do it because they want to give their all to God and not a part. Well, there you have it. Floatingaxe said he/she does not do certain activities because of God. So my question is, is this possible from a Christian perspective to have this from God? Or is it just plain old silly? Please share your expertise. Thank You. manji, i have no expertise. but as i said, i don't think it was devine revelation from God to understand where she was coming from. if i can grasp it, then it can't be too difficult a concept. furthermore, your personal conversations via msn are personal. thank you for pointing out that i should never have a private conversation with you if i don't want it to be publicized. i do not see anything wrong with a christian practicing the PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE of judo. but you're wrong in thinking that it has no relationship to any other religion. if you'll take some time to do even the most basic research on judo or other martial arts, you'll find that i'm correct. for HER, she feels that judo would hinder her spiritual walk. and for her to do something that would hinder her walk with Christ would absolutely be a sin. for her, it would not glorify God to engage in this activity. it does not mean that she is unable to glorify God in other activities. nor does it mean that other individuals can't find a way to glorify God learning judo... even if axe has trouble with that perspective. i believe you are singling axe out to pick on her. i don't know why, and it doesn't matter why... i'm just saying that is what appears to be happening. I understand now that it is not silly to you for a person to consider that Judo practice is a hinderance to a spiritual goal is a personal descision and that just because someone does does not mean it is hindering their spiritual goal. I can now understand this and go on with a clear conscious. Thanks for clarification and sorry about the picking on. I did not want it to come off that way.

OK there is my quote. Where was I referring to basketball? I wasn't saying that you were talking about Basketball in that quote but that you were talking about Judo in that quote that what was how I started the thread if memory serves me correct.

No. It is about my conversation with Floatingaxe that has gotten me perplexed. I mean, look at floatingaxe's latest post. Do you agree with this or not?

Stop it, Manji--I have never said anything about BASKETBALL! Sheesh! What is it about God that makes anything unattractive?--you don't make any sense. I didn't say that floatingaxe, you did. Here's you statement exactly, "As I seek to serve God with my whole life, I just have no time or inclination for anything like that. Furthermore, why would a martial art like Judo have any attraction? Throwing a fellow human being down is considered a joyous occasion and God-honouring? Hardly." Sheeesh! Iwas talking about Judo, etc...not wholesome sports like basketball, swimming, bicycling, baseball, soccer, badminton, volleyball, tennis, curling, football, hockey, rugby, lacrosse, racketball, handball, golf, jogging, horseback riding, polo, etc etc etc No, you said that knowlingly that Judo is a wholesome sport but would not do it because of God. Cause your first statement was this, "As I seek to serve God with my whole life, I just have no time or inclination for anything like that. Furthermore, why would a martial art like Judo have any attraction? Throwing a fellow human being down is considered a joyous occasion and God-honouring? Hardly." You even said on instant messenger you wouldn't do Judo because for you it is a sin because of you wanting to give all to God. That a Christian can do it and still be right with God but you personally have an understanding to give all to God. So I ask all here, is this silly or not? Please respond, I would love to read your posts.

There's no way you can argue that by floatingaxe saying this, "As I seek to serve God with my whole life, I just have no time or inclination for anything like that. Furthermore, why would a martial art like Judo have any attraction? Throwing a fellow human being down is considered a joyous occasion and God-honouring? Hardly." that he/she will not do it because of what it might be based on. But because God has him/her to be this way. He she is saying, I do not do Judo because, because it is not interesting, not because it is related to other religion, but because of God. Now let me explain in more depth.... Read carefully. Floatingaxe told me in a msn messenger conversation there form floatingaxe, he/she would not do Judo because it is a sin for him/her. Not because of its relationship to the other religion. but because of God. I explained to floatingaxe that it is not related to foreign religion and that person still said they wouldn't do it because they want to give their all to God and not a part. Well, there you have it. Floatingaxe said he/she does not do certain activities because of God. So my question is, is this possible from a Christian perspective to have this from God? Or is it just plain old silly? Please share your expertise. Thank You.

Stop it, Manji--I have never said anything about BASKETBALL! Sheesh! What is it about God that makes anything unattractive?--you don't make any sense. I didn't say that floatingaxe, you did. Here's you statement exactly, "As I seek to serve God with my whole life, I just have no time or inclination for anything like that. Furthermore, why would a martial art like Judo have any attraction? Throwing a fellow human being down is considered a joyous occasion and God-honouring? Hardly."

You can't escape your first statement floatingaxe. You did say because of God this activity is unattractive. Not because of its philosophy it might be related to, not because it doesn't interest, but because of God you are this. So you can't escape what you said. Your second post conflicts with your first post. So as they say, if the shoe fits WEAR it.

Yeah, it seems that maybe there is an understanding and closeness with God that things like, going out for a swim, playing basket ball, or jogging become unattractive since it has no attraction due to your desire to serve God with your whole life. I dunno if Judo is unattractive because you are naturally that way or because you're telling yourself that. I wouldn't do it unless I was naturally that way but that's me. So I have simple question floatingaxe. Is basketball, swimming, and jogging unattractive too? Would it be a sin for you to induldge in those activities pesonally? Simple pleasurable activities which are good for the body like those mentioned are great! I love to have fun! But if they stem out of some mystical philosophy, I don't want any part of that. It is an identification issue. I want to be identified with Christ alone. We need to weigh all things in the light of Christ and let the Holy Spirit indwelling us light the way. Now your new statement I think conflicts with an ealier statement. you said. this, "As I seek to serve God with my whole life, I just have no time or inclination for anything like that." Now yur just saying if it is related to a philosophy other than God. But, according to your first statement you are saying you personally have no inclination to do any physical activity because you seek to serve God with your whole body. That's where I got the idea from. Understand? What! No where have I stated that I do not do any physical activity! I love to swim, and I work out at Curves gyms, and I dance before the Lord daily. I did say I have no time or inclination to participate in any activity that stems from some philosophy of man, or some false religion of man. I will not link my body or my mind with a false doctrine of any sort. Understand? No, your first statement does not say that. in the first statement the idea of it being related to a foreign philosophy was considered not there. And you then went on and said that you have no inclination because you give all to God. it is unattractive. Judo IS an activity like basket ball and you said you have no inclination, not because it doesn't interest you, but because of God. That is what you said.

No, it wouldn't be a sin. It's just not what she wants to do. And her willingness to not want to engage in basket ball being inspired by God a silly idea or not? What do you think? Is that silly? Is floatingaxe kidding his/her self if that's what floatingaxe is saying?

Sins aren't things we don't find attractive. Sin is rebellion of God, His Word, and His Will. But floatingAxe said this, "As I seek to serve God with my whole life, I just have no time or inclination for anything like that." Basically for floatingaxe for him/her to do such activities would be a sin because they desire to serve God with the whole body. I wonder, am I mistaken or correct of what floatinaxe is saying. If I am correct then in everyone's opinion, is this silly or not?

Yeah, it seems that maybe there is an understanding and closeness with God that things like, going out for a swim, playing basket ball, or jogging become unattractive since it has no attraction due to your desire to serve God with your whole life. I dunno if Judo is unattractive because you are naturally that way or because you're telling yourself that. I wouldn't do it unless I was naturally that way but that's me. So I have simple question floatingaxe. Is basketball, swimming, and jogging unattractive too? Would it be a sin for you to induldge in those activities pesonally? Simple pleasurable activities which are good for the body like those mentioned are great! I love to have fun! But if they stem out of some mystical philosophy, I don't want any part of that. It is an identification issue. I want to be identified with Christ alone. We need to weigh all things in the light of Christ and let the Holy Spirit indwelling us light the way. Now your new statement I think conflicts with an ealier statement. you said. this, "As I seek to serve God with my whole life, I just have no time or inclination for anything like that." Now yur just saying if it is related to a philosophy other than God. But, according to your first statement you are saying you personally have no inclination to do any physical activity because you seek to serve God with your whole body. That's where I got the idea from. Understand?

Sometimes I wonder if there are Christian Monks or Nuns that whon't engage in playing basket ball because they naturally do not find it attractive. Just being with God does. So, maybe for that person playing Basket ball would be a sin? I wonder if FloatingAxe would consider for his/her self would be a sin or not. If so, are you forcing yourself or are you naturally this way? What does everyone else think? Is this attainable? Where playing basket ball is unattractive due to something of the God?

You are misrepresenting Judo. It isn't always about being able to kill somebody. First of all, it never hurts to be able to defend yourself, although thats another topic. Part of Martial Arts is about being peaceful. The time you spend practising Judo is very focused and you could use that time to focus on God. It's almost like meditating on God. Judo helps people to keep focus. It's as much about the mind as the body. (Which can be good or bad, if you focus on God, it's good) No misinterpretation here! The activity of Judo is based on some eastern philosophy which is not God-inspired. I get my peace from Jesus Christ, from meditating on Him alone! And how is Judo is based on an Eastern Philosophy? What Eastern philosophy? I think Judo is no different than Basket Ball. It is a sport, not something based off some other philosophy not in the Bible.