Christos-phero
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spiritman, I am familiar with this writing, and I didn't really agree with it when I read it over at TFN. You are obviously a member of Tribulations Forces Network. Would you mind if I ask you the member name you use over there so that I may know when I am speaking to the same person here and there.The Rapture and the Jewish Wedding Traditionby Joe Lawendowski
Though I do appreciate your effort this poll was merely for numerical comparisons of viewpoints held. Those who felt the need to express briefly why they voted why they did took it upon themselves, and did so briefly.
But my intention was not to host extremely long dissertations(like yours and Joe's) nor debates regarding the topic. Should you really feel the need to hammer your point home please begin another thread of your own on the subject if you wouldn't mind.
Thanks brother,
in Christ,
Cp
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I don't want to make this too long,
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but looking at each view, and the conclusions of each, I'm not sure, it's not my place to know.
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Maranatha !!!
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That was said very beautifully Vickilynn. Your response was a very healthy one, and one I wish more brothers and sisters held. A big part of the motive for me doing this poll in the first place was to see how many would answer just as you have. Senseless divisions are created and strife so often arises between these different camps, all so confident in their position. Endless hours spent researching and defending these positions is time that could be better spent with our Lord and for our Lord.I don't spend too much time on it simply because if someone stays close to Yeshua and walks according to the Holy Spirit, they will be ready when He calls. Whenever that is.~~In Messiah,
Vickilynn
Micah 6:8
Our position on the matter, will not matter in the end, as it will be at a time of our Lord's choosing. And if we are doing what we have been instructed to do as Christians, we just need to be ready.
Grace, mercy, love, and peace to you,
and to all who have contributed thus far,
in Christ,
Cp
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Sister, your tone and nature throughout this post has been very nasty quite honestly. I understand your passion, but it seems to be blinding you of the love and common courtesy one should exhibit when dividing the truth rightly among both the bretheren and non-believers.so that those who are saved, must thank God only; and those who perish, must blame themselves only, Hos_13:9.Wrap your own pet theory around these words from your own post! If those who perish must blame themselves alone, then it is their own doing.
I will take my leave of you.
God Bless,
Cp
2 Timothy 2:24-25
(24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
(25) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
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That's just not right!I believe we have limited choice and that if God wants someone to be saved that person WILL be saved.Sometimes it is FA
Romans 9:18 Therefore, God has mercy on whomever He chooses, and He hardens the heart of whomever He chooses.
Matthew Henry on his "Commentary of the whole Bible" states:
Romans 9:18 - Whatever God does, must be just. Wherein the holy, happy people of God differ from others, God's grace alone makes them differ. In this preventing, effectual, distinguishing grace, he acts as a benefactor, whose grace is his own. None have deserved it; so that those who are saved, must thank God only; and those who perish, must blame themselves only, Hos_13:9. God is bound no further than he has been pleased to bind himself by his own covenant and promise, which is his revealed will. And this is, that he will receive, and not cast out, those that come to Christ; but the drawing of souls in order to that coming, is an anticipating, distinguishing favour to whom he will. -
My comment is based more on the fact that the L.A./Hollywood area being the entertainment "mecca" that it is, it is a pretty spiritually hollow place. It is no great surprise that the term "pretty plastic people" was created for them and their bankrupt wordly pursuits. It' not my intention to sound judgemental here VG, but the amount of weirdos and "religious" cults, per capita in that area, is pretty overwhelming.we're not much different from the rest of the world, but on average in public you prolly see about 3000 to 5000 different people a day...Equally as bad as the vanity and lust prevalent by you is the Sodom and Gomorrah I am forced to live near here in the S.F. Bay Area. Liberal ideologies, New Age practices, and rampant homosexual/lesbian acceptance is quite a hard thing for me to deal with.
Cp
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Los Angeles California. Now I understand your observation.
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This will only be after we are glorified, sorry to disappoint you. While we are in the flesh it is not going to happen.Who said anything about being perfect in the flesh? I just cannot believe that most of this post has been missed! I am talking about a perfect bride walking in the perfection of Christ ! I guess when you see what the masses think it will differ from my own here.
NoQuestion!Is you walk with Christ Perfect?
I'm tryingAre you doing everything he commanded you to do?
My fruit is fine, but I am not gauged by my performance, so the state of my fruit is irrelevant.If so how is your fruit! -
I am truly humbled by your request.Incidentally, do you mind if I quote you and use it as part of my sig? I think it an important thing to have with me.That statement is a very good thing to keep close to one's heart and in the forefront of their faith walk. Even Christ suspended judgement in most cases conceivably possible. And even when He couldn't, He still would pray for His opponent before He would exercise any "judgement". There is only one judge worthy of doing the job, and we are certainly not Him.
Blessings to you Oh,
in Christ,
Cp
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Under God's supervision and in God's "employ".1 Corinthians 6:3a...Do you not know that we shall judge angels?
Not a statement condoning judging people(see Strongs reference below)Luke 6:44For every tree is known(G1097) by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush.
G1097γινώσκω
ginōskō
ghin-oce'-ko
A prolonged form of a primary verb; to
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I do wonder if this is a regional difference of people in your example put forth here VG. Would you mind sharing what area of the world you are from?I KNOW for sure that I am, I dont know that others aren't, but due to my experience with people in my area many of them don't know what it even means to be saved and are only fake Christian...many of the people in my area use it as a label nothing more...they have no faith behind it...not necessarily cause they don't want to be saved I think it's because they don't know what it means to be saved and I also think many don't even care.Peace to you,
in Christ,
Cp
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To be Scripturally accurate it is actually not our place to judge anyone.In order to truly judge anyone, you have to gain information about them.James 4:11-12
Do not speak against one another, brothers.
He who speaks against his brother, and who judges his brother,
speaks against the Law and judges the Law.
But if you judge the Law, you are not a doer of the Law, but a judge.
There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy.
Who are you who judges another?
That is only one of many examples laid forth in the Bible for us.
J.M.O.
in Christ,
Cp
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Interesting statement. You are saying that in your opinion that there are only 5000 "real" Christians in the world at the moment?Christians as a much smaller number.....many many less than proclaimed are true Christians....I would project an estimate of left than 5000Cp
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Beautifully said !!!Jesus will return at an appointed time set by God the Father, regardless of our perfection or lack of it.I'll only add:
Romans 3:19-24
(19) But we know that whatever things the Law says, it says to those who are under the Law; so that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may be under judgment before God,
(20) because by the works of the Law none of all flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law is the knowledge of sin.
(21) But now a righteousness of God has been revealed apart from Law, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets;
(22) even the righteousness of God through the faith of Jesus Christ, toward all and upon all those who believe. For there is no difference,
(23) for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,
(24) being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus;
Your sentiment is honorable, but it is not by works (our attempts at perfection in the flesh) that we are saved.
in Christ,
Cp
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I did not start this thread to begin a battle among the proponents of any of these views, but more for my edification on anyone's "leanings" one way or the other. I have included explanations/definitions below so that all are clear on the content of the questions/stances asked about in this poll.
Pre-tribulational RaptureThe view that before Christ returns in glory, he will return quietly to catch up the church and take us to heaven. This happens before the tribulation, and so the view is called the PRE-tribulational rapture. This implies that the Church will not be here during the tribulation.The Midtribulational Rapture The Rapture will occur at the midpoint of the Tribulation.
Post-tribulational RaptureThe view that the rapture and the glorious second coming are part of one simultaneous event. The saints rise to meet the Lord in the air and accompany him back as the rightful king of the earth. This implies that the church will go through the tribulation on the earth.
The Partial Rapture Faithful, devoted believers will be raptured before the Tribulation, but the rest of believers will be left to go through the purging of the Tribulation.
The Prewrath Rapture The Rapture will occur about three-fourths (five and a half years) of the way through the Tribulation, when the wrath of God begins to be poured out on the earth.
Pre-millennialismThe view that the second coming of Christ will precede the millennium and that he will rule personally and bodily on the earth during the thousand years.
Post-millennialism
The view that the millennium will come through the success of the gospel gradually converting the world and ushering in a golden age of the church. After a long period of peace and righteousness there will be an outbreak of evil and Christ will come in person to win the victory.
A-millennialism
The view that the thousand years in Revelation 20 is symbolic of the church age in which we live. There will be no earthly millennium as such. Rather the second coming will usher in the final state of the new heavens and new earth.
Grace, mercy, and peace to you all,
in Christ,
Cp
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Out of curiousity, why is it that this story, along with the "Iran prepared to strike Israel" story posted on the "Prohecy Headlines" page never appear in conventional news stories in the United States? (barring the X-files type of conspiracy theories here please
)?Also why is there no author name given for the article?
Of course they were both compelling stories but I have never seen that news source before and I am really curious.
Thanks
in Christ,
CP
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Yes to all of the aboveWHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?Do you believe that Jesus was resurrected from the dead?
Do you believe that Jesus was born of a virgin?
Do you believe that evil forces/powers exist?
Do you believe that evil forces/powers affect people?
Do you believe the bible is the spoken word of God?
Do you believe that there is an absolute moral truth?
Do you believe in the Holy Spirit?
Do you believe that Jesus never sinned?
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I wonder sometimes where does a mans "need" for a wife end (Gen. 2:18), and "lust" begin? I struggle with this issue as much as lust itself. I know its not wrong for a man to want a wife and to pray about it, but at the same time, when does "wanting a wife" become lust?
Do other single guys like, lay in bed at night and can't sleep sometimes because you are restless and really trying not to think about it, but you are needing a wife so much it hurts in the pit of your stomache? And all you can do about it is pray to God to help you have temperance, and help keep your mind clean, and that he will make provision? Does this happen for single women who really want a husband? I mean, what is "normal" in this regard?
Marriage only ends up adding even more guilt into the equation, as I have never talked with anyone who overcame their problem with lust merely by finding a wife(or husband). Once the "high" feeling of new love and marriage develops back into everyday life, we seem to revert back to the old lustful thought processes. I ADORE my wife, and I ADORE Christ, but I still wrestle with this issue of lust daily, I have for years (decades). I pray constantly for it to be removed from me, I have tried everything (except a lust exorcism
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I was asked if I would "prefer to live in a Christian theocracy or not" AAA, there is no reason to call my desire naive. There is no harm in wanting and dreaming for such a place.
Thinking that if they instituted your particular brand of Christian law, then suddenly everyone would both be alright with it and suddenly begin to conform to your moral system seems incredibly naive.Yes, because I would not be surrounded by the moral filth and depravity that I am now. There would be no problems if we lived under God's law, denial of them got us here in the first place. -
Yes, because I would not be surrounded by the moral filth and depravity that I am now. There would be no problems if we lived under God's law, denial of them got us here in the first place.So, the purpose of this thread is to ask whether or not you, as Christians, would prefer to live in a Christian theocracy or not and why; and any problems you might percieve with such a system, assuming for a moment that implementation in your lifetimes through whatever means - be they violent or non-violent - was possible. -
You are very kind brother and I do thank you for your encouraging words. The content takes me a little while to get out, involving a few trips back to the computer to get it all written, but I do put my whole heart into it and in the end it's to the point. I do like your disorder better than mine though, (l.o.iand christos..........I am glad we didnt misunderstand each other for too long....I like what you say......and feel good to be in your thread. I don't know that you have much of a condition...you seem very spot on to me...I often suffer from a condition known as l.o.i. disorder...when reading lengthy posts, with little being said therin..............."lack of interest"
), and wholeheartedly agree about "rambling" posts. It takes so few words to convey love, too often the rest is just prideful verbosity.It is likewise "nice to have you around" the thread.
(p.s. and I also get a kick from your name, man, thanks for the post)
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Now I understand your observation. 
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), and I still have to do battle with it constantly. How I lament the guilt my flesh causes me to feel
), and wholeheartedly agree about "rambling" posts. It takes so few words to convey love, too often the rest is just prideful verbosity.
Your stance on Rapture, Tribulation, and the Millennium?
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And so to get this POLL back on track...