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And so to get this POLL back on track... Grace, mercy, and peace to you all, in Christ, Cp

spiritman, I am familiar with this writing, and I didn't really agree with it when I read it over at TFN. You are obviously a member of Tribulations Forces Network. Would you mind if I ask you the member name you use over there so that I may know when I am speaking to the same person here and there. Though I do appreciate your effort this poll was merely for numerical comparisons of viewpoints held. Those who felt the need to express briefly why they voted why they did took it upon themselves, and did so briefly. But my intention was not to host extremely long dissertations(like yours and Joe's) nor debates regarding the topic. Should you really feel the need to hammer your point home please begin another thread of your own on the subject if you wouldn't mind. Thanks brother, in Christ, Cp

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Maranatha !!!

That was said very beautifully Vickilynn. Your response was a very healthy one, and one I wish more brothers and sisters held. A big part of the motive for me doing this poll in the first place was to see how many would answer just as you have. Senseless divisions are created and strife so often arises between these different camps, all so confident in their position. Endless hours spent researching and defending these positions is time that could be better spent with our Lord and for our Lord. Our position on the matter, will not matter in the end, as it will be at a time of our Lord's choosing. And if we are doing what we have been instructed to do as Christians, we just need to be ready. Grace, mercy, love, and peace to you, and to all who have contributed thus far, in Christ, Cp

I did not start this thread to begin a battle among the proponents of any of these views, but more for my edification on anyone's "leanings" one way or the other. I have included explanations/definitions below so that all are clear on the content of the questions/stances asked about in this poll. Grace, mercy, and peace to you all, in Christ, Cp

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Out of curiousity, why is it that this story, along with the "Iran prepared to strike Israel" story posted on the "Prohecy Headlines" page never appear in conventional news stories in the United States? (barring the X-files type of conspiracy theories here please )? Also why is there no author name given for the article? Of course they were both compelling stories but I have never seen that news source before and I am really curious. Thanks in Christ, CP

Yes to all of the above

Marriage only ends up adding even more guilt into the equation, as I have never talked with anyone who overcame their problem with lust merely by finding a wife(or husband). Once the "high" feeling of new love and marriage develops back into everyday life, we seem to revert back to the old lustful thought processes. I ADORE my wife, and I ADORE Christ, but I still wrestle with this issue of lust daily, I have for years (decades). I pray constantly for it to be removed from me, I have tried everything (except a lust exorcism ), and I still have to do battle with it constantly. How I lament the guilt my flesh causes me to feel

Thinking that if they instituted your particular brand of Christian law, then suddenly everyone would both be alright with it and suddenly begin to conform to your moral system seems incredibly naive.I was asked if I would "prefer to live in a Christian theocracy or not" AAA, there is no reason to call my desire naive. There is no harm in wanting and dreaming for such a place.

Yes, because I would not be surrounded by the moral filth and depravity that I am now. There would be no problems if we lived under God's law, denial of them got us here in the first place.

You are very kind brother and I do thank you for your encouraging words. The content takes me a little while to get out, involving a few trips back to the computer to get it all written, but I do put my whole heart into it and in the end it's to the point. I do like your disorder better than mine though, (l.o.i ), and wholeheartedly agree about "rambling" posts. It takes so few words to convey love, too often the rest is just prideful verbosity. It is likewise "nice to have you around" the thread. (p.s. and I also get a kick from your name, man, thanks for the post)

Brother Hazard, Though your references are spot on for your point, I disagree in one way. The men you speak of were truly a cut above the average man today. Their proximity to the real truth enabled them to more honestly serve the cause. The anointing of the twelve and of the seventy was clear, as was their commision. They were not acting as a church "system", "religion", or "denomination", in their ordination. Though there are many good church leaders out there, how many of them would "sell and give up all their belongings" and take up to follow the Lord? We have seen the embarassment and debacle that the "organized church" has become, with it's fallen and misled leaders, "ordained" by those who were "empowered" to do so. And we have also seen congregations misled and wrongly acting on "ordained" instruction (a.k.a Pastor Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church, etc...). I just don't think any Christian is a "lesser" Christian because they are not attending an organized church.

I agree with you wholeheartedly here brother. Two verses come to mind when I think of this: Luke 18:17 Truly I say to you, Whoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no way enter into it. and... Ecclesiastes 12:12-13 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. I do not like the pontification that arises by those who feel their scholarly wisdom trumps my faith and understanding. This was my inference of the dislike of the "interpretations of interpretations of interpretations" of men. I don't think Jesus turned the "simple" away either brother "Pay to pray" is an excellent visual. Peace to you CP

Thanks for coming back micen2 , I take it you are not a "church-goer" ??? I tend to agree with what you are saying above, but I do wonder if you attend a "church", or do you have a different means of fellowship with others (other than Worthy?)

What I find interesting is that Jesus referred to the "Old Testament" and used it as His foundation. New Testament believers refer to what Jesus taught, as translated by His disciples. But what amazes me is that in this day and age, that often becomes interpretations of interpretations of interpretations, made by men, whom we "assume" to be interpreting them correctly. And if they are truly Holy Spirit "inspired" teachings, then how can there be so much disagreement and disunity among them? If two acclaimed "men of God" preach of different messages and arrive at different conclusions, who is to know who's really right? Once we seperate our pride and/or stubborness from our viewpoint, do we really "know"? So I guess what I'm asking is how do you "know" your teacher/preacher is "divinely inspired"? Grace and peace to all, His servant, Christos-phero

Thank you all for your responses, especially you Christian . The verse was meant as I had believed it to be. What I find interesting is that Jesus referred to the "Old Testament" and used it as His foundation. New Testament believers refer to what Jesus taught, as translated by His disciples. But what amazes me is that in this day and age, that often becomes interpretations of interpretations of interpretations, made by men, whom we "assume" to be interpreting them correctly. And if they are truly Holy Spirit "inspired" teachings, then how can there be so much disagreement and disunity among them? If two acclaimed "men of God" preach of different messages and conclusions, who is to know who's really right? Once we seperate our pride and/or stubborness from our viewpoint, do we really "know"? So I guess what I'm asking is how do you "know" your teacher/preacher is "divinely inspired"? Grace and peace to all those posting here, His servant, Christos-phero

micen2, First of all, my deepest apologies for having offended you if I have in any way. I meant no accusation, I was merely trying to determine your posture in the statements you made. My personal sensitivity misinterpreted your brevity because it was not a conclusive statement you made regarding my question. So again brother, I am truly sorry to have insulted you if I have. Blessings to you, His servant, Christos-phero

I assume you are mocking my condition with your sarcasm here brother?

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1 John 2:27 (KJV) But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (ASV) And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you; concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him. (ISV) The anointing you received from him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. Instead, because his anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not a lie, abide in him, as he taught you to do. This verse always makes me curious, and though I do have a viewpoint on it, I am curious what meaning others draw from this verse? Grace and peace to you, servant of Christ Christos-phero

Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. This Scripture saved my life and my soul Keifer Bless you for your kindness and your perseverence in posting these beautiful verses for all of us to see and soak in. May God's blessing be upon you brother, His servant, Christos-pheros