dwinkjr

The key for believers should be the Holy Spirit. We should be praying before we post, while typing, and before submitting. We have a great opportunity when speaking with non-believers to plant a seed. It takes the average person between 5 and 25 times of hearing the gospel before they make a decision to act at all.

When debating theological differences we also need to consult prayer and be spirit led. We need to assure that minor theological differences are not jeopardizing our relationships with others in the body of Christ.

God Bless,

Dave

California Pastor is arrested for reading the Bible outside of a DMV office.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1536482417001/

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Has anyone else read this book?

What were your thoughts?

Did it change the way you view being a follower of Christ?

I just finished this book this morning and must say it painted a picture of where I have been as a believer in Christ and where I need to get to. I look forward to hearing how others felt about this book.

God Bless,

Dave

Thank you everyone.

Would an admin move thus to testimonials please?

In 1998 I was in a very bad way, I was 17 years old involved in drugs, alcohol, living with my girlfriend and living a life that was not only reckless but spiraling out of control. My oldest brother started dating a girl whose father was a pastor of a local Baptist church, after a month or so my brother accepted the Lord as his Savior and began inviting the family to come to church with him (Something none of us had done since our Grandmother died a few years prior).

Late in the year I finally accepted his invitation and visited the church with him, after a few weeks (January 7, 1999) I accepted an invitation to come down front and pray with the pastor and learn about Salvation in Christ Jesus. Some of the older members may remember me from then, I was on fire for Christ for the next couple years, I wanted to know all I could and research every topic I was interested in. The truth is, I spent those years seeking knowledge of God's word and defending the things I didn't want to give up... after living as a fan of Jesus for a few years, life got better and I drifted away from the Church and God's word.

As many who profess with their mouths a believe in Christ I wanted the gift of eternal life without having to give up anything to receive it. When I didn't "need the help" it was easy to go back to living as the world lives, I drifted farther and farther away and gave my attention and dedication to things other than a relationship with Christ. I would dedicate ridiculous amounts of time to things like Online gaming and partying. I was no more a Christian than Lucifer himself. During this time my Wife and mother of my Child pursued my affection and attention but I was more concerned with the things I wanted and what would make me happy. She then found comfort in someone else while pregnant with my second son. With his birth I pledged to rebuild our marriage and work to keep our family together. Unfortunately it was too late for that, after two years of trying to salvage our broken relationship I could not live with her infidelity any longer and made the decision to leave.

2 months after our separation I was reunited with a Friend from 2000, Jennie, she had recently separated from her Fiancee of 9 years and was having a really rough time of things. We immediately hit it off and quickly fell in to a relationship neither of us thought we were prepared for. 7 months later we made the decision to move in together, we have since had a child together and are fighting for equal custody rights to my two sons from my previous marriage.

A year ago my brother and sister inlaw started attending a new church and again invited me to come "check it out". We attended one Sunday and I wrote it off as not being right for me. For the past 6 months I have felt God pulling on me and drawing me to him. My cousin kept posting very convicting messages on Facebook which is ultimately what the Lord used to bring me home. About a month and half ago I woke up on Sunday morning and took all the kids to the Church I had attended with my Brother and his wife the previous year, the Holy Spirit grabbed a hold of me that day as i felt like the pastor was talking directly to me. Every Sunday since I have been at Service whether my boys were home to go along or not. The messages continue to work on my heart and the Holy Spirit continues to convict of the things in my life.

After 13 years of knowing about Jesus I feel for the First time I have a relationship with the Living God! I have a long way to go in my relationship with Christ but for the first time I am seeking what it is he wants of me regardless of whether I want to give it up or not. I thank God that no matter how far gone we think we are, he is always there pulling us his lost sheep back in to the fold.

I have no idea why I felt led to share this story here today and this of course is the abbreviated version but I pray that at least one person is awakened by my story and knows that it is never too late to turn from your sins. I spend my days now struggling with my flesh, but I die each day for my Lord and Savior and pray that he will use my life and my experiences to lead others out of the darkness.

Thank you Lord Jesus for dying for my sins, for washing me in your blood. I will strive to glorify you in everything I do!

God Bless,

Dave

I started out in a Strict baptist church that believed in KJV only, and i was the same for the first 2yrs of my walk with the Lord. Now after much research and many debates, on these boards mostly I have come to understand that the meat of the Text is the same in almost any translation you choose to use. And as was already said, no ones salvation is going to lie in which translation they use. I do enjoy the KJV for the poetic language used, but for study purposes i would much rather have an ESV or NASB.

God Bless,

Dave

Sam68,

Are you here to learn or to make proclaimations? Any amount of studying of the original texts will answer all of your questions. Of course if you compare translations you will see different words used for the same thing. Different people did the translations and felt their word explained it better. No big deal you can always invest in a strong's concordance and look at the original word and its definition.

If you are here to teach us, you are in the wrong place, many of us have spent countless hours studying the scriptures to have a deeper understanding of our Lord's word.

So do you know Jesus? I pray that you do, and if not that your heart may be opened and you may recieve him before it is too late.

God Bless,

Dave

As far as being booted out of chat I didn't do anything wrong. You/Worthy Ministries has a spirit of control especially in the chat room. I mostly praised the Lord and once in a while tried to talk to some people. But it's going to be hard to remember exactly the words that were said like you said the chat room is moving quickly and the words disappear. But I tell you one thing I wont go back into your chat room because of the spirit of control. How can someone reveal to you the spirit of control in words. I don't know how. You/Worthy Ministries needs to pray about it and see if what I'm saying is true. Ask the Lord to reveal to you what I mean.

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Fire,

I am sorry you feel you were wronged, we at worthy have multiple levels of administration for the sole purpose of avoiding any one person or group of people from being controlling.

Now that being said you are partially correct, we do maintain some amount of control of the site, simply because this is a controlled enviroment, and if we did not have it moderated, trust me you would not believe the junk that gets posted. We strive to maintain a decent enviroment for Christian fellowship and the edification of the body of Christ.

God Bless,

Dave

1Th 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then explain where the dead are and if as you say they are in heaven with God why do they need to rise if they have already risen?

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Again that is the resurrection of physical bodies of those in heaven.

God Bless,

Dave

The story about the witch of Endor Samuel was not brought from heaven but from sleep. He was in the grave. Do you think if he was in heaven that witch could bring him from heaven? I don't think so.

No grave means abrahams Bosom

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1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

Those verses there says he came up and Samuel himself asked him why he was disquieted and brought up. Hmmm I thought we all went to heaven. I guess you're(you all) going to say now that that was a devil in disguise. lol

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So you think the OT saints were treated the same way at death as those after Christ's resurrection?

When we die we are taken to heaven in the Spirit, to dwell with the Lord until his Second coming, at that time when the Church is raptured our bodies are taken from the ground and recreated as glorified bodies, and the church on earth will meet us in the clouds.

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

I think you guys/Worthy Ministries could use some adjustment. I noticed several times that when someone here disagrees with what you/Worthy Ministries believes ,especially in the chat room that they are attacked,kicked out,banned,etc... This is not the only topic that it happens in. I would handle each one at a time but I'm pretty sure it wont happen because of the the way it's been handled in the past/ I'll probably be kicked out,attacked,banned,etc... I haven't been banned yet. lol but have been attacked,and kicked out of the chat room for disagreeing with those in charge. You don't have to like the way a message is delivered. Listen to the message and don't stone the prophets,listen to the message,don't look at the vessle,you don't have to like the way it sounds,listen to the message.

Your tone here speaks volumes imo, you try to belittle the ministry because you are not getting the reaction you want from your posts. Do we ban those with differing view points? No.. Do we ban those with bad attitudes who destroy the enviroment in which we are to fellowship? you better believe it. Do we ban those who are pushing their unbiblical beliefs unto others? sure do.. If you are here to converse, fellowship, and grow within this Christian family, you will be welcomed with open arms, if you come in here looking to stir things up and cause strife, you will not make it far.

Like Paul said any man that thinketh he knows anything knoweth nothing as he ought. I claim to know nothing but Jesus Christ and him crucified. Now that's something to say amen about.That is what will affect someones salvation. It's who you know not always what you know.

Again the tone of this post is defensive at best, why such an aggressive means of trying to make your point? My suggestion is that you pray before you post, then reread your posts before clicking submit, you may find that many of these posts never make it to the boards

God Bless,

Dave

Well as far as changing theology goes, I believe that is just a matter of growth and discerning the truth. The key is learning that no one is perfect and we should check all teachings against scripture.

As far as the here and now goes. When I think about the Infinate (God) and his dealings with the Finite (us) it just boggles my mind. I often consider our current reality as all one big dream, in God's eyes it is already finished we are just playing out the story line. When we die it is really us waking up to the "real" world so to speak.

God Bless,

Dave

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But even that real world has two subrealities

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Follow the white Rabbit.....

Well... it started with this...

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12

and it will end with this...

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Cor. 15: 52

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Amen sister! Let's pray he comes quickly, because if it continues to decline at the rate it has been, there will be brothels on every corner in 10 years.

God Bless,

Dave

This is just a reflection of our society, anybody watched worlds most talented kids? Amber was watching this last night and I caught this 7yr odl girl wearing a sleaveless top that was exposing her entire abdomen, what kind of modesty are our children being taught from the start here? She was also doing a tap dance that had some moves I would of considered suggestive. Another example, my wife's brother is 12yrs old, we went to a talent show he was involved in last Tuesday, one of the performances of the talent show was a Girl in a tight dress that went maybe 2 inches down her thighs doing a very suggestive dance, oh yeah this followed the singing of amazing grace

So where does it all start? and please when will it all end

God Bless,

Dave

Well as far as changing theology goes, I believe that is just a matter of growth and discerning the truth. The key is learning that no one is perfect and we should check all teachings against scripture.

As far as the here and now goes. When I think about the Infinate (God) and his dealings with the Finite (us) it just boggles my mind. I often consider our current reality as all one big dream, in God's eyes it is already finished we are just playing out the story line. When we die it is really us waking up to the "real" world so to speak.

God Bless,

Dave

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http://www.timechangermovie.com/

I think it was Wayne who directed me to this one. Thanks whoever it was this was a great movie!!

God Bless,

Dave

But remember, when the Spirit fell on the household of Cornelius and they spoke in tongues, there is no indication whatsoever given that there was anyone there who understood the languages they spoke, nor is there indication that anyone was interpreting what was being said.

The passage only states that the people spoke in tongues!

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verse??

You know sis as I have said before, I have no problem at all with those who "speak in tongues" I do however have a huge problem with those who pervert the gospel by claiming tongues is a must if the Holy Spirit is in you.

God Bless,

Dave

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This is Acts 10:44-46.

But I don't necessarily agree with Nebula's interpretation. The jews present knew that the gentiles were magnifying God, so they must have had some understanding of what was being spoken.

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I have to agree I see nothing there that shows they did not understand, actually quite the contrary as you say they knew what they were saying was magnifying God.

God Bless,

Dave

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Oh but there is scriptural proof. Peter and John were "Unlearned and ignorant men(Acts 4:13)", they were not linguists, like Paul was, so they would not have understood more than one, or at the most two languages. If Cornellius "Spoke in Tongues", and it was a language he might have known anyway(Greek, Hebrew. Latin), it would have been meaningless. So they definitely did hear him speak in a language that nobody present understood, or at least no native romans understood.

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Actually I was referring more to a situation like Pentacost where they understood in there own tongue.

God Bless,

Dave

You know . . .

You guys keep making me feel like I have to keep my mouth shut unless it's in English or unless I know there is someone in the room who understands whatever language it is that comes out of my mouth.  Nor am I allowed to pray outloud in anything other than English.

What's the use then?

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I'm very sorry Nebula, I wasn't trying to negate your gift. 1 Cor 14:39 "do not forbid speaking in tongues". I just didn't necessarily agree with your interpretation of that particular verse, I would never presume to tell you that talking to God in "tongues" is wrong.

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Actually Neither would I, as I have stated many times now, if speaking in tongues helps strengthen your relationship with our saviour then have at it. To me it ranks right there with pray reading, I see no Biblical precedence for it but also see no danger in it. Some will say you are opening yourself up to Satan, but God is stronger then he who opposes us.

God Bless,

Dave

But remember, when the Spirit fell on the household of Cornelius and they spoke in tongues, there is no indication whatsoever given that there was anyone there who understood the languages they spoke, nor is there indication that anyone was interpreting what was being said.

The passage only states that the people spoke in tongues!

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verse??

You know sis as I have said before, I have no problem at all with those who "speak in tongues" I do however have a huge problem with those who pervert the gospel by claiming tongues is a must if the Holy Spirit is in you.

God Bless,

Dave

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This is Acts 10:44-46.

But I don't necessarily agree with Nebula's interpretation. The jews present knew that the gentiles were magnifying God, so they must have had some understanding of what was being spoken.

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I have to agree I see nothing there that shows they did not understand, actually quite the contrary as you say they knew what they were saying was magnifying God.

God Bless,

Dave

You all seem to be missing the point. For the wages of sin are death. I could stop right there and the question would be answered. But you see, we are all sinners we all deserve nothing more then eternal damnation, BUT Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour came in the flesh died on Calvary's Cross and was resurrected to bring us resurrection. He bore our sin punishment for us so that we may have eternal life with him. The wages of Sin are the wages of sin whether it be murder, stealing $1 or stealing $100.

The punishment was set long ago, and all sin has the same result, but God has given us a way out and that way is Jesus the Christ. If you choose not to accept his precious gift of salvation you in turn choose eternal damnation.

God Bless,

Dave

But remember, when the Spirit fell on the household of Cornelius and they spoke in tongues, there is no indication whatsoever given that there was anyone there who understood the languages they spoke, nor is there indication that anyone was interpreting what was being said.

The passage only states that the people spoke in tongues!

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verse??

You know sis as I have said before, I have no problem at all with those who "speak in tongues" I do however have a huge problem with those who pervert the gospel by claiming tongues is a must if the Holy Spirit is in you.

God Bless,

Dave

Biblically there are 2 types of tongues. Foreign languages, which you need an interperator for, and a Holy language that when spoken EVERYONE hears in their OWN language.

dwinkjr, you are forgetting another 'type' of tongues. a person's prayerlanguage. i know many people who pray in tongues. in which case, there is no need for an interpreter, because what is spoken is between that person, and God

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Care to share where biblically this comes from? I would say God knows the heart and whether you mumble or don't even make an audible sounds God knows what your needs are.

God Bless,

Dave

Tongues is an awesome gift to have!

Even Paul loved his gift:

1Cor. 14:18 - I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.

I just which that people would finish this verse or never use it again. You are taking Paul's words, cutting out one excerpt, and twisting what he has written.

1. Tongues simply means "language" If you deny that, you are denying a basic truth.

2. Paul didn't practice speaking in languages in church (that is what the chapter is about).

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Jer!!! Long time no see brother... Great to see you back!!!!!!

God Bless,

Dave

I've always been taught that you need someone to lay hands on you to be baptised in the Holy Spirit, and then you will receive the gift of tongues.

Not everyone starts speaking in tongues right away, though - after all, you ahve to actually open you mouth and let the words come out!

For me, I had to just speak out sounds until the language flowed out.  (Please believe me when I say that it is indeed a language - when I try to imitate speaking a language, it doesn't work at all!  I can tell this is different.)

So, with some statements made above, I'd like to see a test done.

But I need a willing volunteer.

Someone who does not speak in tongues.

You have received the Spirit, right?

So, would one of you, on your own, ask the Lord for the gift of speaking in tongues?

And then verbally either let sounds come out of your mouth or verbally start praising the Lord until the new language comes out?

It would clarify a lot for me.

Thanks!

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neb,

I will tell you what, I will ask the Lord that if Modern day tongues are of Him that he gives me the gift to further glorify Him. And let you know how it goes, but I still donot see 1 biblical example of anybody speaking in tongues(Holy Language) that required an interperator.

God Bless,

Dave