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hello Yahwehsdaughte, your statement is incorrect. When people sleep together they are not married. Scripture NEVER teaches that. If that were the case there would never be such a thing a fornication or adultry. marriage is a union (agreement between two people to live as man and wife under the bonds of God's guidelines. (forever) The type of ceremony is not spelled out in scripture so it is left to culture. At the time of Adam and Eve there was only God and them. This does not mean that we are free to simply move in together and calll it a marriage. The wooman at the well was told by jesus that the man she was with was not her husband, but that she had five before this one. So God does not simply accept so called common law marriages. That might be fine if two people are in some disereted place whhere there is no way too hold a common ceremony and they vow before God to be married before coming together in a sexual union,but other then that it would be fornication and sin. And i can tell that you totally misinterpreted what i was saying. Of course...it is sin...yet the way it ORIGINALLY was...like it was said first, is that there were no weddings...why do you think that the Bible says that when two people sleep together they become one flesh...why do you think sex outside of marriage literally ruins lives??? Don't you think i know that...I do..I lived it so let me clear it up right now..i was just stating that the whole "wedding thing" is a tradition...yes, we still have to get married because it needs to be recognized by the law....but if you look back in the old testament...adam and eve didn't have a wedding...cain didn't have a wedding...the wedding started several years later....I lived a life of promiscuity before being a Christian..i live EVERY day with consequenses of that lifestyle...If i could i would go back and change it all..so i am done with this topic...I am all for two people being married LEGALLY before sleeping together because i don't want people to know the pain i have to live with every day of my life for the rest of my life...I may not even be able to have kids now which has always been my greatest dream....sorry to come off a little strong...but there are times where i cry because i still regret the things i have done...if you want to hear my testimony...just ask..then maybe you can have an idea...

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well...i don't think God considers it sin...and people will always think what they want to think....but the only thing that matters is what God thinks...thanks for giving me something to ask my pastor about... When you ask him, make sure he uses scripture to answer you and not tradition of man. I'd love to hear the answer. My pastor always uses scripture...you can check out some of his stuff at www.5fold.org... his teaching has set me free and he tells us to check the Bible for ourselves to be sure it is right

I think they should be more than able to do that if they want... it is between them and God

well...i don't think God considers it sin...and people will always think what they want to think....but the only thing that matters is what God thinks...thanks for giving me something to ask my pastor about...

You are right. In God's eyes...a couple become married or one flesh when they sleep together...However, for our marriage to be recognized legally we should just follow the traditions.... besides it is so much fun to do all the planning. (if you like planning that is.) Also, the woman never used to change her name...that was started too by men...however, I proudly took my husband's name...just some of my thoughts

Well, I don't observe lent, BUt I am all for fasting. I don't necessarily think one has to fast during this time or even for the whole forty days. I really want to try what Jentzen Franklin does at his church. They will fast for long periods of time, but after so long, they will switch over to a Daniel Fast which is no meat, sweets, or something else. I forget what that other thing is. BUt in a month my hubby and i are taking a personal retreat down to IHOP for a few days of fasting. I am excited about that. The longest I have gone without food is 36 hours. that was my first fast a few weeks ago. So, I am looking forward to the next time I fast. I think also, fasting is something that should not be boasted about. I try not to mention it when i am fasting. I just go about my normal life. Kind of like when Jesus compared the prayers of the sinner and tax collector. Just some of my thoughts. I have only been a Christian for 3 years. I live in Mn and there are a lot of people up here who practice lent, so I am not unfamiliar with it. I admire those people who do it if they are doing it out of love for the Lord and not just because it is a tradition. God bless. Yahwehsdaughter Five Fold Ministries Training Academy www.5fold.org

What a good topic. Coming from a woman's view, I try to be the Proverbs 31 wife. And my husband makes me want to be that because in the same way, he loves me and respects me. I didn't have the best example growing up, but I have had a deep study on that chapter with my pastor's wife and I strive to be that woman everyday for my husband. I think it is a lifestyle that any woman can reach. If she will put God first in her life, everything else falls into place. SOmething even as simple as cooking, i never wanted to cook before because noone ever taught me how to cook. However, in the past two months i just sat down and decided that I am going to give our daughters a better example, and I started teaching myself how to cook. That is just one example on the lower end of the scale. I think that it pleases God when us woman respect and submit to our husbands. My husband is the world to me and I love him with all my heart

Just some comments on the above question and a few others that relate directly to it, such as "Christ has already forgiven all of our sins, past, present and future". There seems to be a continual thread of assumption in those that hold to some form of eternal security that Christ has forgiven sins. I'm going to assume that it is related to the Atonement, and by virtue of Christ dying upon the Cross forgave man's sins. First, Christ forgave no man his sins. Not one single sin was forgiven on the Cross. The Cross made the forgiveness of sins possible ONLY because Christ propitiated those sins, the penalty of those sins. If that were actually true, then all of mankind is automatically spiritually saved. That is a whole new form of Universalism. There is absolutely no forgiveness without repentance. It is stated this way all through the NT. Even in the OT. We have an obligation as believers to be reconciled to God. II Cor 5:20 Also Matt 5:24 relates to the Lord's Prayer and also the unfaithful servant. God holds us accountable also for those who wrong us. We are to forgiven them. We are to forgive them seventy times seven. There is no end to the forgiveness. As we forgive those who treaspass against us, so He will forgive our trespasses. We MUST keep sin out of our lives. We must work to remain in Him and when we sin, we must seek forgiveness of those sins. Sin separates man from God. That is why daily confession is an absolute must in the life of a believer. There is no such thing as automatic forgiveness. No forgiveness without repentance/confession. Another area is that of the long list of evildoers who will not enter into heaven. Some assume that believers cannot fall or resort to this kind of evil. The problem with evil is that it starts small, not very beguiling in order to begin to get a beleiver to slip and slide and work him over to the precipice. When a believer begins to rationalize, to make excuses he is well on the way to overt, willingly sinning and just simply overlooking it. This is probably the greatest danger to the view of OSAS. We become hardened to sin. We assume that we are automatically forgiven because we at one time believed. Yet, sin, moves one outside of being IN Christ. At other places in this thread, comments questioning just how many sins does it take to fall from salvation. The answer is ONE. See the Story of Adam. A believer possesses a fallen human nature, will sin, he must make sure he is aware, even confess sin without knowledge, to make sure that He remains reconciled to God. This is the anquish of Paul in Rom 7:13-25. That is the reason for repenting. I definately agree with you about repentance..i should have made that clear. We cannot access that forgiveness unless we have repented...but once we have repented, we are completely forgiven for our sins. May i add that true repentance is completely turning from that sin and going the opposite direction. Once we submit our lives to God, we no longer want to do the things we used to. Sure, we still sin, but we also keep repenting and getting back up. No one can live a life without any sin at all. Even Apostle Paul talked about that in Romans. We will always struggle with the desires of the flesh. It is what we do with those desires.

This is how I look at "once saved, always saved." The only thing that can earn our salvation is by our belief in Jesus Christ. It is not works or any other thing that we do or say. OUr belief in Jesus and what He did for us is what gets us that salvation. Therefore, if belief is how we access salvation, then wouldn't it reason to say that unbelief would cause us to lose our salvation? Therefore, a person can only lose their salvation if they quit believing in Jesus Christ. And none of us can judge if a person believes or not. For interesting sermons on today's issues you can go to www.5fold.org under sermon podcasts. God bless you all. Yahwehsdaughter Five Fold Ministries Training Academy www.5fold.org