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Hi Nayeval, I agree with you religion is a disease, but having a belief in Jesus Christ is a different story. Many people a religious about football, soccer, cricket their money, whatever one uses these things are a disease. Loving Jesus Christ and reading His word and understanding His word is not a religion it is a relationship, that I am guilty of and I would never give that up for any religion. I pray you find the truth and I pray you will be set free. John 8:31-32 31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him,

Hi 2bba, Do you realize that the left behind series are not inspired writings or movies of God?

Please explain your theory on Jesus opening the scrolls upon His ascention. I haven't heard that one before.

I did some hardcore research on the whole seven seal, trumpet, and vials. I do believe that the seven seals are opened before the trumpets are sounded and the viols/bowls are poured out because when the first seal is opened up the antichrist who rides on the white horse is revealed which is at the beginning of the seven years. But as for the rest I can not in good concience say they are done in any particular order or time. Hi Massorite, I believe they are played out in order if we look at the second seal war breaks out after the peace. Revelation 6:4 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword. Matthew 24:15-21 15

There is nothing in what you have said that states the saints of God will be caught away before the tribulation period. I have provided scripture that absolutely refutes the pre-tribulation rapture heresy. You cannot prove anything you have said using scripture because it is not there. God's wrath does not occur until the Day of the Lord, which is the last day, and is not the tribulation period. I have already provided scripture so I will not be redundant. There is only one Resurrection of the righteous dead in Christ, which occurs on the last day, after which those that are alive and remain will be changed and caught up to meet the Lord in air. I have already provided the scripture, so I will not be redundant. It is unbelievable the lies the pre-trib people will go to to defend this false doctrine, even to the point that they will say there are two resurrections. You are mistaken my friend every there have been many proofs given to you but you wish to ignore them, they are plain understandable verses out of God's word. Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. The hour of trial that comes upon the world is the seven year tribulation, how much plainer do you want it. If God says He will keep us from this hour then I believe Him. Whether or not you believe in the rapture doesn't matter to me because when the Lord comes for us I will meet you there in the air before the tribulation to be with our Lord and savior. We are saved from God's wrath or the wrath of the Lamb which are the seven seals, which open up into the seven trumpets, which open up the seven bowl judgments, which is upon the wicked, we are saved from all this how much plainer do you want it. Revelation 6:12-17 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks,

The meaning of the horses Here is what I believe the seven seals are. 1st seal-rider on a white horse. Revelation 6:2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. I believe the rider of this white horse is antichrist, he has a bow in his hand (which generally resembles war) but no arrows, so he comes bringing a peace which the world will except. (daniel 9:24:27) 2nd seal- rider on a red horse. Revelation 6:4 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword. The red dipicts blood maybe speaking of war (mat 24:7). God will grant the horse and rider the power to cause a worldwide war. Which are only birth pains, (God's wrath) (Matthew 24:8; Mark 13:7,8; Luke 21:9) (Daniel 8:24). 3rd seal- rider on a black horse. Revelation 6:5-6 5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" I believe the rider of this red horse brings world wide famine. The world wide war will destroy all the food supply, which will cause a global hunger (famine). The scales represent the scarcity of food and there will be rationing of the food. It will cost a days wages to feed a small family. 4th seal-rider on a pale horse. Revelation 6:7,8 7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. Pale in the Greek 5515 in Strong's concordence (chloros) "green". The rider of this horse has been granted with the power to bring death on 25% of the world's population. Hades is the place of the dead, so death and hades generally come hand in hand.( Luke 16:23,Revelation 20:13-15) Death is the condition and hades is the place of the dead. 5th seal Revelation 6:9-11 9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed. I believe these souls under the altar are all the saints who had been martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ, they seek God's vengance on the world. God tells them to wait a little while longer until their fellow servants are killed as they were is complete. Tribulation period (another topic of discussion). sixth seal Revelation 6:12-17 12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?" I believe the five previous seals before this seal are what come before the full fury of the Day of the Lord which starts on the sixth seal. The sixth seal unleashes the seventh, which contains the seven trumpet judgements. Then the people realize who it is that is causing their trouble and they want to hide from the Lamb. You can not hide from the Lamb of God. This is what I believe.

Oh, but every doctrine conceived of by men is, in some way, supported by the Scriptures. Even the two I mentioned above, which are extra-Biblical in origin, are purportedly supported by Scripture. Even your usage of the word "heresy" is, in fact, extra-Biblical, Toni. The Scriptural use of the word is "choices of opinion" or "schools of opinion." Seems to me that the pre-trib/post trib-positions are both in themselves "schools of opinion." In modern Christianity it is commonly used to mean "any person's doctrine which differs from mine." Be careful how you use Biblical terminology. BTW: I don't recall ever taking either position here... O, really Ovedya...then let me remind you and please explain your statements here quoted below. This is typical and classical pre-tribulation rapture justification without any scripture that says the saints will be caught up to meet the lord in the air before the tribulation. It is nothing but a man made or satanic idea, whichever you choose to use, to promote this heresy. Scripture explicitly states when the saints will be caught up to meet the lord in the air and it is not pretribulation. What did you mean by "It is really quite simple."? Please explain your statement in light of your post. If you are not implying you take a pre-tribulation rapture position, then I apologize. As far as you other statements, you are playing semantics. The pre-tribulation false doctrine is pushed on just about every message board as fact and biblical, as it is in your evangelical churches across America without a single scripture that supports it. That makes if heresy. Give me some scripture that tells me the saints will be caught up to meet the lord in the air before the tribulation, then I may consider what you have said. So far, no one on any message board, including here, has been able to do it. In actuality, the scripture that you quoted reads: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Please show me where this scripture reads the saints will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air before the tribulation starts from this scripture? Tell us in your point of view when is the hour of trial that comes on the world?

There is nothing in what you have said that states the saints of God will be caught away before the tribulation period. I have provided scripture that absolutely refutes the pre-tribulation rapture heresy. You cannot prove anything you have said using scripture because it is not there. God's wrath does not occur until the Day of the Lord, which is the last day, and is not the tribulation period. I have already provided scripture so I will not be redundant. There is only one Resurrection of the righteous dead in Christ, which occurs on the last day, after which those that are alive and remain will be changed and caught up to meet the Lord in air. I have already provided the scripture, so I will not be redundant. It is unbelievable the lies the pre-trib people will go to to defend this false doctrine, even to the point that they will say there are two resurrections. You are mistaken my friend every there have been many proofs given to you but you wish to ignore them, they are plain understandable verses out of God's word. Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. The hour of trial that comes upon the world is the seven year tribulation, how much plainer do you want it. If God says He will keep us from this hour then I believe Him. Whether or not you believe in the rapture doesn't matter to me because when the Lord comes for us I will meet you there in the air before the tribulation to be with our Lord and savior. We are saved from God's wrath or the wrath of the Lamb which are the seven seals, which open up into the seven trumpets, which open up the seven bowl judgments, which is upon the wicked, we are saved from all this how much plainer do you want it. Revelation 6:12-17 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks,

Just keep your bags packed Hi Ruck, You won't need a bag packed. You just need to make sure you have put your faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation is found through none other. It just meant be prepared. Okay sorry for that misunderstanding.

Just keep your bags packed Hi Ruck, You won't need a bag packed. You just need to make sure you have put your faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation is found through none other.

God's wrath is not poured out until the final battle; the wrath/persecution you are talking about throughout Revelation is from man and the A/C and false prophet. Scripture is very clear that God's wrath comes at the end and that is what His children will be delivered from. Even James, the brother of our Lord wrote in His letter: Be patient, therefore brethren, until the coming of the Lord. James 5:7 James could not write to tell us that we must wait patiently until the coming of the Lord (Parousia), which occurs after the tribulation, unless we must endure the entire tribulation. Even Peter, like Paul, connects the coming of our Lord with the Appearance on post tribulation Day of the Lord, and like James, Peter stressed the need for the saints to await on earth until the coming: But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then, that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons out ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2 Peter 3:10-12 Paul writes in I Thessalonians 5:1-6 But the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destsruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day; we are not of the night, nor of darkness Therefore, let us not sleep as do others; but let us watch and be sober. There you have more confirmation. Paul would not tell us to watch unless he first tells us what to watch for, which he has done. Those not watching for the signs that Jesus himself gave us will be the ones caught off-guard as a thief sneaks in in the night. Those watching for the signs that Jesus and Paul gave us will indeed know when the time is near, even at the door, and will not be overe taken as a thief in the night comes. Armageddon will be a day of melting and fire, where the sun and the stars will disappear as well as the mountains and islands. Peter is referring to the same post-tribulation cosmic event spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24:29 that I have already posted, but for clarity's sake, I'll post it again here: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken Hi Toni, I think you will find Peter is referring to the end of the millennial kingdom and the earth and heavens are destroyed. Jesus is referring to the end of the tribulation when he returns. In Revelation we have a new heaven and earth being created, which to me says the old heaven and earth was destroyed. Revelation 21 1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Lets have a look who is opening the seals that bring the wrath that happens on the earth. The seals are opened and God uses man to bring about His plan. Revelation 6 1 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder,

Paul writes: "We shall be changed at the LAST trump." I Corinth. 15:52. The LAST trump is described as the SEVENTH trump in Revelation 10:7 and 11:15-19. Jesus himself placed the sign of His coming IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS in Matthew 24:29. But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Rev. 10:7 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat upon their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God. Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants, the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth Rev. 11:15-19 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead in Christ shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed I Corinth 15:52 Jesus said: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31 Hi Toni, Revelation 11:15 15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

The tribulation ends for the saints at the first Resurrection of the righteous dead in Christ immediately followed by those of us who are alive and remain, when we will be suddenly changed in the twinkling of an eye to meet the Lord in the air. This takes place immediately before Armageddon, where in Revelation Chapter 16 vs. 14-16, you will read where the world is preparing for Armageddon. vs. 16 specifically tells of this battle that is about to commence. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. vs. 14 Right in between these two verses, you will read: BEHOLD, I AM COMING LIKE A THIEF Revelation 16:15. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. We who are left are to be watching for Christ to come and get us right at this time. He told us before hand. It's all written here. We do not know the day or hour, but we do know the general time and we are to be watching for His Blessed Appearing, our Blessed Hope! Immediately before Armageddon. Amen! And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Ar-ma-ged-don. vs. 16 Christ makes it very obvious that he will appear in relation to the 6th seal where this warning is found in Revelation Chapter 16. So are you saying the rapture of the saints is after the last trumpet? So the wrath of God that is played out on the earth means we will be facing that ( which doesn't effect how I feel, because I would die for my LOrd) even though God promised we the faithful church would not go through that. John 14:1-3 (New King James Version) New King James Version (NKJV) Copyright

All we need to do to know if the rapture is for real and when it is, is to read the verses over and over and over that concern the rapture and whilst doing this ask God to show you the truth and He will reveal to you the truth. Don't worry about what any man say's that includes myself ask God and He will show you the truth. Man is full of faults, God has no faults especially His word. If God says black is black then it is black no grey in between. I find this helps to look up passages quick http://www.biblegateway.com/ John 8:31-32 31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him,

There are many scriptures that explain the rapture of the saints but people have blinkers on and they don't see the whole picture only that what has been bashed down their throats from others. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. When this verse is mentioned is there any mention of judgment of the wicked? No The only thing mentioned is of those who believe in Christ are caught up (taken away) first those who died believing and then those who are alive who will be changed in the twinkling of the eye. They will meet each other in the air to be with Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed

An excellent point to bring up, Dave!! The tribulation period and the great tribulation period do not constitute God's wrath, as your pre-tribulation promoters peddle. This is another false doctrine. God's wrath does not come until the Day of the Lord, which is at the very end of the great tribulation period around the time of the 6th seal. I did a search of all of the scriptues that denote the Day of the Lord, and below they are listed. This is the time God's wrath is poured out upon the wicked, as I posted in my post here #146. This is the wrath God's people are delivered from, and this is what is meant when it is said, "God has not appointed us unto wrath." In otherwords, the Day of the Lord does not = the tribulation period or great tribulation. They are two separate and distinct times. All across America, evangelicals are being taught that the Day of the Lord is the tribulation and the great tribulation. by your pre-tribulation promoters and nothing can be further from the truth. The Scriptures say nothing of the sort. The Day of the Lord opens with the wrath of God. God's wrath comes at the "last day". The final seven years of this age is Daniel's 70th 'week', or 'seven'. The last half of the week includes the great tribulation, and the scriptures say that during this tribulation, the "man of sin", the "beast" or "antichrist arises." One of his purposes will be to silence the witness of Christians as we give testimony of Jesus Christ, the true Messiah who will be coming to destroy the false messiah and his false prophet. All of the great tribulation anger and wrath is from man. The heavens have not opened yet. Not one bit of this persecution is from God. The persecution of Christians is not God's wrath, but man's wrath. Hi guys, If we look at Revelation 5 who has the sealed scroll? This scroll is opened and then the 7 years of tribulation is played out. It's late here and I am tired so I will write to you all tomorrow with what I believe happens. Sorry to leave you all like this but it's better to write with a clear head than a dead brain, that's the way it feels at the moment. Good night Guys God Bless His children Shalom Isa - Why is it that you believe that the scroll is opened and then the 7 years of tribulation is played out?? 1) According to Jesus, the days of tribulation (or great tribulation) will only begin after the middle of the last seven years So it cannot be seven years in length. 2)There is no scripture that links the opening of the scroll with the begining of the last week of years. It appears to be just an assumption on your part. right ? peace - shlomo Hi there, If we look at Daniel 9:27 it talks of the last week when one comes and makes a covenant with the many for one week. Well not all Israel will go for this covenant, but in the middle of the covenant at the 3 1/2 year time he breaks this covenant. I believe this is the start of the scroll being opened when this one makes the covenant (false peace) with Israel. Then he causes in themiddle of that week the sacrifices to stop and he makes war against Israel and God's servants. Well that's it for now good night God bless His dear children

Hi Christian, You are partly right the tribulation period is both Satan's wrath and God's wrath being played out on man kind. Satan is attackin Christians God's people and God is punishing the wicked. The scroll belongs to the Lamb which is the title deed to the earth. The lamb opens the first scroll and what do we see? A rider on a white horse carring a bow with no arrows. This is false peace, which is the last week in Daniel 9:27. Daniel 9:27 27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.

An excellent point to bring up, Dave!! The tribulation period and the great tribulation period do not constitute God's wrath, as your pre-tribulation promoters peddle. This is another false doctrine. God's wrath does not come until the Day of the Lord, which is at the very end of the great tribulation period around the time of the 6th seal. I did a search of all of the scriptues that denote the Day of the Lord, and below they are listed. This is the time God's wrath is poured out upon the wicked, as I posted in my post here #146. This is the wrath God's people are delivered from, and this is what is meant when it is said, "God has not appointed us unto wrath." In otherwords, the Day of the Lord does not = the tribulation period or great tribulation. They are two separate and distinct times. Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible Day of the Lord come. Joel 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the Day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the Day of the Lord! To what end is it for you? The Day of the Lord is darkness, and not light. Amos 5:20 Shall not the Day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? Even very dark, and no brightness in it? Obadiah 1:15 For the Day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. Zephaniah 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the Day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests. Zephaniah 1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel. Zep 1:14 The great Day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the Day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. Zep 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land. Zephaniah 2:2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, before the day of the Lord's anger come upon you. Zephaniah 2:3 Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger. Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the Day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the Lord: Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable Day of the Lord come: 1Colossians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the Day of the Lord Jesus. 2Colossians 1:14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the Day of the Lord Jesus. 1Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; Philippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. 2Peter 3:10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. All across America, evangelicals are being taught that the Day of the Lord is the tribulation and the great tribulation. by your pre-tribulation promoters and nothing can be further from the truth. The Scriptures say nothing of the sort. The Day of the Lord opens with the wrath of God. God's wrath comes at the "last day". The final seven years of this age is Daniel's 70th 'week', or 'seven'. The last half of the week includes the great tribulation, and the scriptures say that during this tribulation, the "man of sin", the "beast" or "antichrist arises." One of his purposes will be to silence the witness of Christians as we give testimony of Jesus Christ, the true Messiah who will be coming to destroy the false messiah and his false prophet. All of the great tribulation anger and wrath is from man. The heavens have not opened yet. Not one bit of this persecution is from God. The persecution of Christians is not God's wrath, but man's wrath. Hi guys, I just thought these verses needed to be added because they also speak of the day of the Lord. Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts Shall come upon everything proud and lofty, Upon everything lifted up

Hi botticelli, I think with the things that are happening in the world today, our Lord's return will be soon. We don't know when but we are told to be ready. Matthew 24:44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.