George

In a distant land ... long long ago ... a thread was started in 2004 ... when it was finally removed ... was over 10,600 pages in length ... viewed over 1.2 million times ... and this its legacy ... as it continues ... It all started with just an innocent post ... entitled -- "IS IT JUST ME ..." ... under intense scrutiny ... management caved ... and this is it's legacy ... to be continued ... who will be last?

2Th 2:3 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition, 2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God. 2Th 2:5 Do you not remember that I told you these things when I was still with you? Mat 24:11 And many false prophets will rise and deceive many. Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many will become cold. Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end, the same shall be kept safe. Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be proclaimed in all the world as a witness to all nations. And then the end shall come. The Abomination of Desolation Mat 24:15 Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand).

Hello my dear brothers and sisters in the Lord, I thought I write about the flip side of a topic, and how to recognize the attempts of the enemy to destroy lives and how you can walk in His victory! For the Apostle Paul taught us not to be ignorant of enemy's tactics and strategies. 2 Corinthians 2:112 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. So often, we can learn lessons by learning and playing "devil's" advocate. When we read this passage, Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. Mar 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strongman; and then he will spoil his house. Here we learn a lesson that in order to plunder one's house you must first BIND up the strongman. While we realize in this particular passage this is referring to God binding up the strongman (Satan) and this is how Satan's house is plundered. But if you carefully analyze the enemy -- you realize that he uses the same tactics on us! Your house cannot be plundered -- unless you are first bound. And then Satan can plunder your house! Let's take a marriage situation. A husband and wife are newly married and they are just getting by. The wife hasn't had a new dress in some time, and while she's out and about -- she stumbles across a dress that is 75% off and a steal! She's in need of some new clothing and thinks to herself -- I should get this while it's soo cheap! Meanwhile, her husband is looking over a mountain of bills and thinking to himself, the only way to get out of this mess is to work "overtime" and starts to figure out how much he needs to work to cover all their bills. When the wife comes home, she's looking fine in her dress and the first thought of her husband -- planted by the enemy -- can you believe that your wife spent money on a dress? Of course, this feeds into his mind and reacts to the thought -- and gets angry at his wife and demands that she take the dress back. So he's ignoring the fact how good she looks in the dress, and ignores how cheap it was -- and allows a foothold to be set! The wife can't believe it -- and let's the emotion burn in her while biting her tongue. A few weeks goes by, and the husband is out and about and sees a fishing rod on sale -- and buys it! The wife sees the new fishing rod -- the enemy then brings back that emotion of what happened a few weeks prior about the dress -- and suddenly she explodes! And now you have the beginnings of how the enemy has taken footholds and then created strongholds -- and for the ultimate purpose of dividing a marriage! Now let's look at Luke and see what lessons we can learn from it. Luk 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. Luk 11:21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: Luk 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils. Luk 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. If you notice this, the strong man who's armed -- ready for battle -- ready to face whatever comes his way -- he's living in PEACE! If we recognize the first steps of the enemy's work in our lives -- knowing he's trying to create footholds -- you'll begin to understand why? He can't rob, kill and destroy you -- unless you are FIRST bound up! So we need to be armed with the Word, armed with the knowledge of the enemy's tactics, and be ready to defend what is rightfully ours! We need to take authority over the powers of darkness because that authority was given to us at the cross! Luk 10:18 And he said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Luk 10:19 Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you. Luk 10:20 Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven." So we fight the good fight of faith, standing in His victory and be ready to pounce on every thought that is not of God -- that is being used to BIND US up! Be prepared to battle today -- put on the full armor of God -- and be ready to pounce on every thought that would seek to create a foothold in your life! When you do this, truly you will become a strong man who's possessions are at perfect peace! Your brother in the Lord with much agape love, George

Joshua 24:15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” 1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came near to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping between two different opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.” And the people did not answer him a word. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. Deuteronomy 30:19-20 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.” Ezekiel 18:30-32 “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, declares the Lord God. Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin. Cast away from you all the transgressions that you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why will you die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.”

Hello brothers and sisters, Since the forums got a little jumbled, I decided to go ahead and start a few new threads. This thread is the defense of the post-trib rapture theological position. Why do you believe in a post trib rapture? Your brother in Christ with much agape love, George

Welcome to Worthy! God bless you. If you need anything else contact us, God bless, George

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Honestly, I believe the enemy is at work and was at work even at the beginning of the church so the true message of the gospel would be distorted or confused. This is an article that I wrote which explains how different people can come up with a different conclusion and yet BOTH be true. I thought I would write a modern-day parable, using the Word to help illustrate a point. Obviously, the parable is fiction, but I am using it to explain a point. Back in the days of Jesus, there were 3 blind men, each were healed by the Lord. One man was healed, when the Lord went out and spit into some dirt and made mud and placed it on his eyes and told him to go to the pool of Siloam and wash himself. He went on to led a congregation called the Mudivians! John 9:6-11 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing. The neighbors therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he. Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened? He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight. One blind man was healed when the Lord spit into his eyes. He later went on to start a congregation called the Spit-tites. Mark 8:22-25 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly. One blind man was healed by a simple touch of the Lord. He later went on to start a congregation called the touchivians. Matthew 9:27-29 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you. Now the years had passed and the three blind men were leading their respective congregations: Mudivians, Spit-tites, and the Touchivians. Each of these once blind men, claimed to know the way of being healed because each was healed by Jesus! When these men got together, each refuted the other one, because of a very real event in their lives, and how they were healed by the Lord! Each contended that their way was the right way of being healed! They had forgotten, that their healing had not rested in the method of healing, but in the healer! So it is in our days, we forget that the Lord cannot be contained in a box, or his methods are the same for every person! He created each of us, unique, and for each and every person that is brought into the Kingdom, there's a unique method the Lord uses -- but we all come into the Kingdom by the same way -- through Messiah who is the way, the truth, and the life! So if you are a mudivian, a spit-tite, or a touchivian, remember the common bond that unites us as one! Don't lose site of the Lord -- and maintain your focus on HIM! For it's the Lord's desire -- John 17:20-21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Let's not lose sight of the reason we are all here, for the hope of spreading the GOSPEL!

The Old Testament was God preserving the lineage of which the Messiah would come. So you see, how God went to extraordinary lengths to make sure the Savior of the World would keep the promises made to Abraham, Noah and David.

Actually, the understanding of faith is as easy to understand that a child can grasp it. Simple version, God created you and loves you. The issue of sin separates us from God -- thus God sent His only Begotten Son to be the lamb of God for the world -- to take on the sins of the world. When you believe in Jesus ... and turn to God in repentance ... your sins are now covered by the blood of the lamb and now you can be in right relationship with God! It's nothing that we truly did ... but rather what God already did for us! The blood was thoroughly shown throughout the Scriptures ... and there is life in the blood. Even Satanists realize there is power in blood as they continue to do blood ritual sacrifices for power. There is something more than just blood ... and God used the blood to cover the sins of the world!

This is something I shared with someone the other day in my salvation experience. In my own personal faith walk, I was in a period of 3 months whereby I was convicted of sin deeply ... and I felt as if I couldn't do anything without the weight of sin. In Pilgrim's Progress, it describes Pilgrim's journey whereby he was constantly carrying this burden ... this is how I believe we are when we are in our incubation state. As we struggle, we're fighting for faith. Honestly, I believe there's a lesson to be learned with Jacob wrestling with the Angel (the pre-incarnate Jesus) in Genesis 32. Before this particular night, Jacob always offered a sacrifice to the God of Abraham and the God of Issac. It was always a sacrifice to the God of His Fathers. It wasn't until this night when Jacob refused to let go -- and said -- I will not let you go until you bless me -- then God changed His name from Jacob to Israel. Afterwards, you see how Jacob offered sacrifices to the God of Israel. It wasn't until his own wrestling match with the Lord -- that it became personal for him. I believe every believe must go through his own "wrestling" match so to speak with the Lord. In the 1700s , the famous evangelist Jonathan Edwards listed the stages of saving faith. The first stage is the awareness of the horror of being eternally lost. The second stage is the attempt to stop sinning to remove guilt. The person tries to save himself any way he can, and comes to the futile realization that he cannot save himself. The third stage is the realization that the seeker cannot save himself that only God can save him from his sin. The fourth stage is the conviction that God is just in His judgment. God is just in his condemnation of sin and the penalty of his sin. The seeker comes to the place where he realizes that God does not have to save him and finds himself utterly at the mercy of God. The fifth stage when the seeker becomes to have an affection for God and the Holy Spirit pours out upon the seeker the gift of salvation and fills his heart with the joy of knowing the seeker is truly saved. Saving faith will fill a person so deeply that His and life are forever changed. The new believer is so filled with love, that the believer can't wait to be in the arms of His savior. And its this love that permeates his being and has a love that passes human understanding, even love that has the ability to love his enemies. Your brother in the Lord with much agape love, George

I realize that most people praying ... do not pray as the Bible instructs us to pray. So a research paper discussing prayer ... would be different depending on the saints that were praying! Early in my walk, I read the autobiography of George Mueller, and how his prevailing prayer worked miracles! There is an effectual working prayer of the saints ... that transforms from the smallest of things ... to even nations! May I suggest reading a book, How to Pray by RA Torrey. Or Asking and Receiving by John R Rice. We'll send them to you as a gift from the ministry if you wish!

It can be both ... very easily. For example, in the 1 Chronicles 21:1 Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel. In the 2 Samuel 24:1 passage it says, 2Sa 24:1 Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” As a Father would discipline his child, it appears that God removed his hand of protection against Israel and allowed a judgment. Of course, this judgment was stayed ... where? At the Temple Mount, where later we find the Temples were built -- where God stopped the judgment against Israel.

So you think that Jesus ministry was 6 years?

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. Joh 1:7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. Joh 1:8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

It seemed to be a gold infomercial.

Actually the deficit is still in excess of 750 billion dollars. The issue of big govt spending is a problem with both parties.

The problem is that it's all peanuts to the budget. It's not even the cost of 1 day of interest payments. Just the interest payment for today --- is greater than the entire wall!

@1to3 I see the issue with the Palestinians as being used as pawns by the Islamic world around them. As they keep the Palestinians in refugee camps. The monies that come in as aid ... never makes it to those who need it. And due to Oslo, Israel and no Israelis have any ability to help any Area C areas. It's a tough situation for many of my Palestinian pastor friends of mine.

Well, I can understand why people have issues with the Masonic connections to the formation of Israel -- just as the same people have the same concerns with the formation of Washington -- and if you really think about it in most countries around the world. But from a deeper level, while the enemy is at work -- God is doing a greater work! So while I'm not naive of the workings of the enemy inside of governments around the world ... I also realize that God is greater, so that's where I stand. @1to3 Thanks for explaining your ideology.

The reality is ... that many things are framed by both sides just the right way for their own propaganda purposes. Let me give you an example of something I reported on about 10 years ago. It was such a bizarre week ... and it must have been over a decade ago. So it was a Friday night ... and this particular night I had this crazy dream ... where I was watching gray burned shadows with red eyes laughing as rockets were being fired. It was Shabbat morning, and I generally disconnect from the Web from Friday night until Monday morning when I'm in Israel. The reason being is that without a real rest ... you can never enter into a true rest where you're mind is free from the world. But this particular morning ... I told my wife I need to check the news. She said ...Ummm sure. So I told her the dream, so I checked. But nothing happened. However, about noon I got a phone call from a friend ... did you hear? I said what? Well, Israel just hit a Hamas graduation ceremony ... and rockets were being fired ... it started a war right at Christmas time. Now the facility that the graduation was taking place was next door to the only Baptist Church in the entire Gaza Strip. A few weeks earlier, the Bible Society manager was murdered by Hamas at the same or near the same church. That particular Christmas, Hamas wouldn't allow the church to worship in their church ... so they had gotten special permission to go to Bethlehem. So when they left for Bethlehem ... Israel didn't allow them back home, but Israel also knew that they were going to hit Hamas. So the news media reported it this way ... Israel denies Christians access back home as Church building suffers damage. How did I view it? God protected the Christians ... had them moved out of harms way ... and used Israel to protect them. Hamas was using the church and their facility as cover ... however, Israel with pin point weaponry kept the collateral damage to a bear minimum. So this is so typical of how things are reported. I remember another instance ... a stabbing took place in Israel and Israelis surrounded the terrorist yelling "Die! Die!". So the News media reported it ... Israelis were yelling Die Die as stabber was arrested etc. Die in Hebrew is literally STOP! STOP! This has happened in a church service before as my wife told my son -- Die! Die! when he was acting up and got some strange looks! Anyway, it's a different world ... and there are always 2 sides to every story!

I haven't removed a single post from this thread.

@CNYBigHeart Very interesting reading!

Welcome back!!! If you need anything, just let me know, God bless, George

If the nation of Israel was involved in any way with poisoning of people with medical supplies ... it would take but one second before the world cried foul. The simple fact is that most UN resolutions are against Israel, they are scrutinized beyond any other nation in the world. Hes not banned ... in just not going to allow these types of statements to be posted on Worthy. Moderator Review is simply that ... posts are now being checked before being freely posted. That's all that has changed. I'm not ending the debate. God bless, George