Mom2Many

But why would God punish someone for something they have no control over? Doesn't that seem cruel? Nope, because we do have a choice. We are given the option to continue in our sins of the flesh or repent and seek the ways of the Lord. If we chose the later there are wonderful rewards for us. But too many of us enjoy the sin too much to ever even try to seek the Lord and the Truth. We use excuses like "But it's not my fault!", "I had no control!", "I had no other choice!" But the Truth is, we do have a choice, we do have control and it is our fault, because we chose not to seek the Lord's way.

this is not true, there are 1000's of stories of people who quit being homosexual, some very famous people included in those. Very true Gator! But...choice or not, it's still a sin. Wanna know how I know, because the Bible tells me so

For God so Loved the World....Jesus defeated Satan on the cross with Love...of course the World is cursed..thanks to darkness...and we know the end of the story..in the mean time...Jesus wants to see us display his love and obediance and faithfulness thru light...this isn't a big game of tag your saved like many want to believe...everybody is tested everyday ...your attitude, behavior, and actions...are they godly or ungodly...Godly loving or satan hateful... Love always protects...you better be concerned about the world...I want my family in a safe, Godly loving environment....and it is not easy because of people like you...if your not striving for that and don't care...then the enemy sneaks in and brings about wickedness and destruction... As a child of God, Jesus is suppose to be within us...we are suppose to be wheat amongs weeds...light amongst darkness...I disagree with you totally...I think Children of Jesus should be striving for positions of authority....whether Government, Corporations, Entertainment, etc. .and proclaiming and living the Love of Jesus...And instill his way into this world...and not just talk it...but live it... Amen!! I posted this in my other thread, but I'll post it here just for the sake of other readers. To not get involved with the evilness and wickedness of this world is a complete disservice to Jesus. Jesus uses us and works through us all the time. What you are asking us to do here Kross is turn a blind eye and ignore the issues that need work, the work God has called many of us to do. We can't just ignore the problems and evilness, throw our hands up and say it's all yours God. There are too many people out there with hardened hearts (part of God's plan). The world that we live in would absolutely crumble. I too want my children to live in a safe, Godly environment and if we sit back and do nothing that will never happen. I'm not well schooled in my Bible verses, but I do know that Jesus is very protective of children. He speaks out about anyone harming them or anyone allowing harm to come to them. I think he's going to be very displeased with the people of the world who are too involved with themselves to worry about helping children.

I think I agree with everything stated. We need to look at the issue and see if it is going to be the destruction of our nation if these things are or are not changed. I think I tend to believe more in the power of GOD than the power of government to change the direction of our nation. Without a change in the hearts and minds of the nation, we are just a white washed tomd full of dead mans bones. What good is that? sorry kross, but how can you agree with everything stated when you dont vote? (notice the statements of wayfarer i have bolded) i understand what you're saying about the spirit conditions of the people who commit these sins. i totally agree that it should be a concern of ours. but let me throw this at you: people (saved or unsaved) who kill their children will have to answer to God for that sin (in one way or another). yes? so wouldnt we be doing them an injustice to not speak out and tell them that what they're doing is wrong and try to prevent them (by law) from doing it? let me give you a silly example. if a child is told not to climb a telephone pole, would you go ahead and let him climb it if he chose, knowing that he could fall and be hurt or killed, simply because it was a heart condition (rebellion) that made him do it in the first place? would you not try to stop him? i would think you would. yes, its a heart condition. but that doesnt mean we do nothing to prevent the sin from taking place. its not an either/or thing. trying to get roe v wade turned is a help to the people who do it, as well as it is the person being killed. as far as not being able to change the law: that would go against everything the founding fathers were striving for, would it not? and throughout the Bible God has ALWAYS been a defender of the helpless. who is more helpless than the child in the womb? so is trying to get abortion stopped following the Spirit of God? i think so. most things you say, i agree with, kross. but when you say you are more concerned with the mother who aborts her baby than the baby himself, i gotta "kross" you! that would be putting one above another, wouldn't it? and i believe james has something to say about that. saving a life would be doing good, would it not? so theres the "to him that knows to do good and does it not...." verse. i get the soul v life thing, but i still think you're throwing one away above another. your taking into your hands what only belongs in God's. yes, the better answer is prevention. but until then, i think we would be sorely missing the mark if we allow sin to go on unchecked! Actually, by not casting a vote I believe i am doing what is in the best interest of my country. I will continue to pray for our leaders (the only thing the Bible tells us to do with regard to politics) and I will leave it in GOD's capable hands. No matter who is elected, they are going to do what HE wants anyway. You are right, God is capable, more capable than you or I. But...God also does a lot of his work through us. He uses us to do his work. To turn our heads to something so important I don't think is doing a service to God, but a disservice.

David, have you thought about maybe talking with someone from your church? Maybe I shouldn't be assuming you go to church, but that might be the best way to help you.

This is one of the most honest, heartfelt, hopeful, and just plain good advice I have read. I know exactely where you are comming from Stormy. When I got saved-after the warm fuzzy feeling passed- I was left with a life in shambles. God took me through the tough job of going through my psyche and unearthing all sorts of painful wrongs I had done and that others had done unto me; some of which I had long ago forgotten. Just remember that God will not put you through more temptation (i.e. tribulation) than you are able to bear. He will make a way out for you. Keep on digging because there is awesome treasures buried within you. It is the you that God created to fellowship and love him before the world got ahold of you and you the world. I could have wrote this myself. Just know David I am praying for you! Like others' have said, moan, groan and type away. Sometimes just pouring our all the grief helps a lot. Both my husband and I are going through what Stormy just wrote above. It's a tough place to be, but take comfort in knowing you can and should cast your burdens upon Jesus. He wants you too, he wants to carry them for you and know you can always turn to us here at Worthy for support. Most of us I'm sure have been where you are.

I have to be honest here. I personally am not pro-choice, but at the same time I have compassion for women who have been raped for example. Should they be denied the choice of abortion? This is a hard question for me. I don't believe in abortion, but I don't believe in forcing a raped woman to be pregnant with a product of rape. It is very hard, and something I need to pray on I guess. I can give you a thought. Do we kill the children of criminals because of the crime? Yes, if I were a woman and was raped and got pregnant, i would probably want to rip it out with my bare hands. Then there are those who have been all the way through that and kept tht eBaby as the one good thing that came from something bad. I think this was an excellent point! I can't say how I'd feel in a situation like the above. But what I can say, is I value life, each and every one that God creates, no matter how that child is created. I feel they all need to be defended and they all need to be given a chance. We have no right to do away with what God creates. Also, to me this isn't a matter of personal choice or personal belief. This is murder, end of story. I can't chose to end someone else's life just because they are an inconvience to me, that is murder and I'd end up in jail. To me, abortion is no different. And although women would break the law, that is no justification for all the human lives lost to abortion.

there is merit in what you say. however, gossip doesnt snuff out a life. nor does it spread diseases. a sin is a sin in God's eyes, but different sins have different consequences. the consequences of gossip may or may not be great. but the consequences of abortion and homosexuality are great--to individuals and to this nation. therein lies the difference. and i know people who dont gossip, but they dont go around proclaiming the badness of it. why? not because they are free from that contamination, but because its not a worthy cause to fight for. there are a lot of people who have had abortions who proclaim the sinfulness of it. there are people coming out of homosexuality, who know very well that there is a danger of them falling back into it, who proclaim the evils thereof. we pick our battles, yes. but i dont think we all pick our battles based on what we're innocent of. there are some things "we" dont talk about, yes. and we're all guilty of it. but abortion and homosexuality are things that have huge consequences and have a huge impact on our nation. to say the only reason we fight this battle is because we're not guilty of the sin, is, i think, doing a great disservice to a lot of christians. Amen Char! You couldn't have said that any better! The part in your post that I bolded is exactly what I was talking about not enough support for these women. So many have gone through this and just have no where to turn for help once it's over. They are so afraid of judgement and not being accepted that they are missing out on the true message. And those that are considering it, they have no where to go for help or other choices because of the same reasons.

I hope it didn't come off as criticism on my part, I really didn't mean for my question to come off that way. It is much easier to point out others' faults, rather than point out our own. And most people, Christians' included get very defensive when someone else points out their faults. I think what has raised the question for me about abortion and homosexuality is with the upcomming election, so many Christian's are going to be voting for a man that is Pro-Choice and it really confused me. I didn't and still really don't understand the logic in all of that. I personally don't rally against abortion because I feel it's a bigger matter, it's just one of those things that have pressed heavily on my heart and I feel that it needs to addressed rather than swept under the carpet and ignored. So many woman need help and direction and I feel there isn't enough of a support network for those who have gone through it at one time or are thinking about going through it.

M2M - I have a clarifying question for you, if you will. Do you find it just as hard to understand how somene can call themselves a Christian and say they follow the Bible, believe in it and yet still support gossiping? A simple but important question. shalom shlomo Wow! I leave to run some errands and there's a lot to respond too! Let me try and start here. No, I don't support "gossiping". Talking about other people just isn't something that I think supports anything Biblical. Now, I will go on to say, that if I knew someone was going to hurt themselves or someone else, I do not by any means think going and getting them help is a form of gossiping. But to talk about others and their private lives just for fun isn't the right thing to do. Now, back to the OP, Colbalt said it very well. To turn a blind eye to abortion or homosexuality, or any other sin for that matter is supporting the sin. I think it's very hopeless to think we can't change laws. The Pro-Choice movement and the Homosexuals have changed laws, that's why abortion is now legal and so are homosexual marriages. I believe God is bigger than that and HE can change laws and HE can work on the hearts of those that need help through us. As a nation, we have to show our disagreement and non-support for issues like I've stated. If we keep our voices quiet and we make sure we're not heard, then how can the hearts of anyone be worked on?

Thanks all for your reply! Your right Char, I wasn't sure where I should put this. But the outer court would probally have gotten some reasons from the "other side of the coin". I must say, I myself do not in any shape or form support or believe in either of these things myself. I have to agree that abortion is just a fancy word to cover up the truth of what it really is and homosexuality goes against all of God's plan for marriage and let's see he did say "Be fruitful and multiply", so....kinda difficult to uphold that purpose if we support homosexuality. Colbalt- I can't speak for Shiloh, but I do believe we have and should love the person despite their sin. It's the sin we have to hate and turn away from.

I don't think I really made my question clear. I don't understand how someone can say they are a Bible believing Christian and then say abortion or homosexuality is ok. I've heard many Christian's lately say they support Pro-Choice and they are in favor of homosexual marriages and I just don't understand how someone can be a Christian and still be in favor of those things that are clearly unbiblical??

If I put this in the wrong place I apologize. But I do have a question for all the fellow believers' in Christ out there. What I don't understand is how someone can call themselves a Christian and say they follow the Bible, believe in it and yet still support Pro-choice and homosexuality?? I do understand that we are supposed to love others' as Christ would, but loving them and supporting and backing up choices that are obviously not Biblical are two different things to me?? Thank you all who can help me out here!

Yeah, who cares about killing babies and all of that??? Maybe you have moved on, but those of us who care about human life won't. Real Chrisitans will continue to stand against the murder of innocent babies. That is the natural outgrowth of a being a Christian.

I'm so sorry you experienced that, Mom2Many. 2003 is when I lost my daughter at term and also had an early miscarriage. I'm sorry for your losses as well. They are very difficult to deal with, but I believe with God's help is how I've gotten to where I am today. It was his stregnth, not mine.

Yes, that is why I know that the answer may not ever be another baby for Lily. Even if the answer was for me to get tired of wanting that, that would be an answer I could take. It's the limbo that I'm sick of. I don't want to want something if it's never going to happen. I would take just plain not wanting it anymore. My husband and I have talked about it so many times and gone over the issue so completely. His reasons are not silly ones, they're serious. I face risks in pregnancy, I think there's a one in ten chance I will have another placental abruption. Since he has no particular longing for all those big-family things I mentioned, he sees it as why tempt fate? It's too dangerous and we got three out of five here alive, why risk anything else? He's also 45 years old now. This is a major point for him. He is concerned about not living long enough to raise them all, or be a part of their lives as adult, etc. I would be totally on board with adopting. It has gone through my head enough times that I've checked out library books and read articles on the web. But, again, this huge sticking point of my husband's age is almost a bigger issue with adopting than it would be for having a baby by pregnancy. I don't write it off as a possibility, maybe a way that God will answer this prayer. But really, it's not going to be much longer before the passage of time is even too much of a negative for me. It's really because we're in the last year or two of this being much of a possibility that is getting me worked up about it. If we were several years younger, I wouldn't be pressed by this long-running unanswered prayer. But as the sun sets here, I'm starting to think it's going to be this Great Sorrow that I'll have to live with. And that just bums me out big time. It's funny how you mention placental abruption. This November marks the 5 year anniversary of when I gave birth to our twins prematurely. They were born at 23 weeks as a result of placental abruption. I was scared out of my whits and swore I would never have another baby. I'd never put my family or myself through that kind of pain again. I even begged the drs. to tie my tubes, but they refused because they felt it wasn't a decision to be made at a time like that. Boy, God worked on my heart heavily after that. It was because of that situation that I ended up turning my fertility over to God. My husband, wasn't very supportive of that idea. He was mad at God for what happened and it took him a very long time to get over his grief. I can remember those days of praying for him so hard it hurt sometimes. Eventually and not in my time, but in God's, he did come around. We've gone on to have 2 more children after the twins (ironically enough a boy and a girl, the twins were fraternal). And now here we are 5 years later, birth control free and leaving the big decisions up to God. I will be praying for you! It's so hard, especially when we don't understand our desires compared to God's plan. But in the end, it'll work out the way it's supposed to, for you and for your Hubby. Char- I wanted to say thank you for your encouraging words. I'm sure you understand along with others', it's hard sometimes to remember it's a lesson learned. But in the end, we appreciate those lessons.

Yes, that is how I'm wondering, too. Certainly, *shew*, as you said, none of my hypothetical situations would happen in my marriage. But they happen to some marriages. If a friend told me one of those hypothetical situations was happening in her home, I would not say, "Yes, I knew he was a toad when you married him. Boy, that sucks for you." And I definitely wouldn't "nag" him if he was doing these things. I would leave. As far as having more children goes, I haven't nagged him about that, either, but when the subject comes up now and then, it goes the same way each time. Me: Yes, I still would like to have another baby. Him: Okay, and I still don't want another baby. That would be why the OP is titled "unanswered prayer". If it's "no for the moment", it's been a loooong moment. And there isn't much "distant future" left for us. This is why I'm getting messed up in the head over it. We're at the end of our time horizon. More because of his age than mine, but even my time horizon is late in the day. So if it isn't soon, it isn't ever, unless something very unusual happens. (Say, gaining custody of neices and nephews in the event of a tragedy.) No, this is not the "fix". It's not that I want a baby, it's that I want another child to raise. It's not that I want to just be around kids or take care of them, it's that I want to bring them up from little to big. I like the whole long deal of it, the learning to talk and learning to read and learning to ride a bike. I like their soccer games and their swimming lessons and herding them around at the library (but not the supermarket so much!). I like for them to have a group of siblings to grow up with; for mine, it will be a small group. I hope for them one day to flock home for Sunday dinners with their own clans and that happy chaos of a pile of grandkids running around. *Sigh* I need to stop; I'm getting sad. We must have been posting at the same time. I answered the questions in my post before yours. I have a friend that's going through a situation like this herself. She married such a toad and was so determined that she could change him. When she couldn't, she's now filing for divorce. I definitly have never told her it stinks to be her, but she does know I don't support her leaving him either and I personally would never tell someone they need to get a divorce from someone. Unfortunately and I'm sure you know this and have heard this before, God doesn't always answer prayers for us the way we want him to or in our time. He may never change your hubby's heart towards having more children. I'm just wondering, but have you discussed with him the reasons why he doesn't want anymore and would there be anything you could do to help him atleast consider it? I can relate to the desire to want to raise a child from young to old, to have all the fun stuff. Raising a child is one of the greatest gifts we can receive. Fostering a child would be very difficult, especially when that child was taken out of my home and I'm sure being a Sunday School Teacher isn't going to fill the desire to have more babies in your arms. But, at the very least, adoption could ever well be an option. There are so many babies in this world that need loving arms and that option could possibly fill that void??

now that you've said that, however..... -you KNOW God has a sense of humor! and you didn't answer my question: would the wife be held accountable for stealing if her husband said not to take the money back? im not wondering what should or shouldn't happen so things like this would not occurr. you made a blanket statement that wives are not held accountable when submitting to their husbands. so if a husband (not yours) tells a wife (not you) to steal or lie or any "small" thing that goes against what God has commanded for ALL of us, she will not be held accountable for the sin she commits because she is submitting to her husband? that's the question im asking. I believe that there are situations where we need to state our case a little stronger to our hubby's. In situations where we are going directly against God's law, we need to go to our husbands and explain exactly why we don't support their decision or their actions and that we won't help them commit this or that act of sin. But we will help them in whatever other way we can. I also believe that we need to stand firm on the point, that although we don't approve and won't participate, we still love them, respect them and honor them. Would we be held accountable if we stole or lied, yes, we would be held accountable. When I was making the statement that our husbands would be held accountable for going against something of God and we not submitting to his request, I was making that statement in reference to a woman believing that God was laying on her heart to have more children and her husband saying "No Way!" This is a situation where she has no choice but to submit to her husband. The alternative would be deceit. now that you've said that, however..... -you KNOW God has a sense of humor! I posted not too long ago about my own struggles with certain things and I've found out very clear how much of a sense of humor God can have I probally stepped right into that humor all the more in just making that one statement!

let me take a more practicle hypothetical situation with this. say a family is dirt poor. wife goes to the grocery store, comes home, and finds that the cashier had given her $20 too much in change. she knows keeping it would be the same as stealing and that it would be wrong. she tells hubby, and hubby says "do not return the money. we need it." no matter what she says to him, he insists she not return the money. do you believe she will not be held accountable to God for disobeying His command to not steal, simply because she was submitting to her husband? isn't that kind of saying the same thing adam and eve did in the garden: it wasn't my fault? isn't that what the nuremburg trials were about? (i know that's kind of a far out example, but i believe the principle is the same: i shouldn't be held accountable because i was simply following orders.) submitting to your husband as far as having children is one thing, but to say we must submit in EVERYTHING is something else. i believe we submit to God above everyone--including our husbands. isn't that what acts 5:29 is talking about? we ought to obey God rather than men. just a thought. To be honest, if I was overpaid $20 in change, I would have caught that before I even went out of the store and would have corrected the problem with the cashier or manager. This is not something I feel a wife would need to consult her husband about and if he was with me, I would have spoken up. Ephesians 5:24 is what instructs me to submit to my husband in everything. Yes, Acts 5:29 does state that we ought to obey God rather than man, but by obeying my husband and submitting to him and going to God in prayer for the things my husband and I don't agree upon, I am obeying God. My believe is I am putting God above everyone. I'm obeying His Word at all times, not just sometimes. Thankfully I've never been put in these hypothedical situations *whoo*

If hypothetecally yr husband is running a meth lab out of yr basement, do u think disobeying him or not agreeing with him and nagging him will make him stop? or do u think God is more likely to alter him? I think (and this is mt personal view as a man) your husband may say no- and to a man it may mean no for the moment and maybe for the distant future. it is like prayers.. if the prayer of a rightoeus man/woman availeth much, i am sure God can change his mind. Have you prayed about it? No, nagging him isn't going to get him to stop, it's just going to make him do it all the more, not to mention resent me. I can't change my husband's heart, only God can do that for him.

In reference to the hypothedical questions you are asking, yes, I do believe our husbands still deserve our love, respect and honor. If we married men that ran meth labs out of their basements, or believed in abortion for whatever the reason was, then we loved, honored and respected them enough in the beginning to marry them and they should continue to get that love, honor and respect. If, hypothedically speaking, my husband all of a sudden began running a meth lab out of my basement, I think because I'm connected enough to my husband and have given him the love, honor and respect right from the beginning, I would have seen it coming soon enough to intervene and get him the help he would need, before he started doing something like that. And most importantly, before he asked me to keep quiet about it. As for abortion, that's not something that would ever come up in my marriage. Firstly, if my husband says no more babies (and he has said that to me in the past), he's known that I will submit to his request, but it's up to him to prevent it, not me. He's loved and cared for me enough to be the one to take the steps necessary, not me. Also, in my marriage, my husband knows never to ask me to do such a thing. We both believe it is murder, taking an innocent life, regardless of circumstance. If someone is married to a man that would ask such a thing of her, then most likely she knew this from the beginning. You see, trusting God to family size for us, isn't about how many children we can have, or how many blessings God can give us. It's about trusting God with everything, our marriage, our finances, our lives, our children, our health and our family size. As a believer, I can't pick and chose what I allow God to have control over. I can't give him some things, but pick others to hold on to. If I'm to give God my all, it has to be our all and that means everything.

Maybe it was in the way I explained it that made it come off as contradicting. We are told in Ephesians 5:22-24 "22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. " Now for me and I do understand not everyone in the world is going to agree with this, but to me this verse alone tells me that no matter what, I am supposed to submit to my husband. God appointed him leadership above me just as Jesus has leadership above all of the human race. For me not to submit to my husband in everything is complete disobediance against God on my part. If my husband is doing something that goes against God, whether I believe he should be doing it or not, and after I've made the proper appeal to him, he is still insistant upon doing this act, it is my responsibility, given to me by God, to support him and back him up. If this act is indeed going against God, I won't have to be the one to answer for it because I was obediant to God and I submitted as I was instructed to do. I hope I explained that better. But to me, not to submit to my husband, is to not to submit to God. Ephesians 5:24 tells me this. The church (Jesus's followers) don't submit to Jesus just when they want to, or when it benefits them, or when they think it's right, they submit to him always, because they love, honor and respect him, just as we should our husbands. I hope that explains my view on wives being submissive. As for birth control, oh it works, but....it fails more than we could ever imagine. We just don't know it, because we think we've just started another cycle, when indeed, we've just miscarried a baby. Ultimately, that baby has been aborted because of the chemicals we just put in our bodies. Unfortunately, we've just prevented a life that God wanted us to have but because of our choices and the chemicals that man made, we've ended that life. Just my view!

This is not what I'm saying. Obviously, I can't have a baby by myself, so it's not as though I can defy him on this matter if I think he's wrong. I think there can be an "upside" to almost any decision, even if he had wanted no children at all. I could still point out all sorts of "something good" outcomes. I could travel to Calcutta and work with the desparately poor if I had no chidren of my own to raise. Perhaps there is a meta-question that goes to the heart of the problem. See, I believe that choices matter. Our lives are mostly a composite of choices we have made and the influence of choices those central to our lives have made. I'll grant you we get a few wild cards that have nothing to do with our choice or another's choice, but on the whole, choices influence the vast majority of our lives. This does not square with the notion that God is in complete control. See, I think if all people actually believed that God is in charge of creating all life, there would be no such thing as birth control. Every woman would have as many children as naturally came about in the marriage. We would all be the Duggars. Since this is not the case, apparently our choices matter. Because of birth control, we can override what might naturally happen. We can have one child, or two or three or whatever happens within the new biological reality we created by controlling our own fertility. I will grant you some people have a baby against the probability, but I don't believe this is God saying, "I don't care what you think, I'm giving you a baby anyway." Because if that were true, then all the billions of babies who are not born because of birth control represent what? Babies that God was not that pressed about bringing to fruition? So, I said all that to make this one point: I believe that whether or not my husband ever goes along with having another child is not about whether or not God deems it so. It's just about *his choice*. Period. There can certainly be an "upside" to us not having any more kids. I don't have to risk losing another baby. I don't have to risk my own life - the conditions that killed my third baby could kill me also. I can focus my attention on the three I'm raising. I can do more things, I don't have to get a bigger vehicle, everyone has their own room, and on and on and on. Perhaps God knows that if we attempted to have another child, terrible things would happen and so he's keeping my husband stubborn on purpose. Maybe. But maybe my husband is just making this choice against what would be best. Maybe God is sorry we're not allowing Him to bring another wonderful child into the world. My point is, I don't think God goes around messing with it or else there'd be no such thing as efficacy rates in birth control. Nah we wouldn't all be the Duggars. She weans all of her babies at 4 months to regain her fertility fast. Instead of giving those babies all of herself for at least the first year. That is Gods natural birth control. I have seen birth control fail many times....just ask my oldest. My question is do you know how birth control works? Most methods are nothing more than preventing the egg from implanting and are what I would consider a very early abortion. Research well anything you put into your body. Some forms seem to increas cancer chances, and some cause blood clots as well. I don't care what my husband said to me I will not put something into my body I do not want to for fear of causing harm. I have to agree with givennewname. I believe we are all held accountable for our own actions and if God says to submit, going against that is going against God. All our hubby's make silly choices and decisions, we can lovingly appeal our hubbys', but in the end, he's supposed to have the final word, at all times. If he's doing something that goes against God, isn't biblical, then he'll have to answer for that, not me. Nope! Wouldn't all be Duggars, I can affirm that one as well. Long before birth control was even invented all those women didn't end up with a bunch of kids and in my humble opinion, that wouldn't really be such a bad thing. To me, all children are blessings, whether it's just 1 God gives you or 24 or more! My DH and I believe we are building God's army, so we'll take as many as he wants to give us. I also wouldn't use anything that causes early abortion and would be making sure my DH knew that if he wanted to prevent pregnancies, then it was either up to him, or he'd have to find something else for me to use than a chemical form. It took me a long time to understand the effects of chemical birth control. My oldest son, my oldest daughter and our twins that passed away where all conceived while using the birth control pill. So, I must admit, I believe whole heartedly that God is in complete control. God is bigger than any birth control option out there.

Lily, I do hope that through prayer you find the answers you are seeking. I will be praying for you. It's so hard when we want something that our husbands don't agree to and unfortunately, this I believe is one of those areas you have to trust in your hubby and trust God to work on him in the mean time.

About 2 or 3 weeks ago, I came across a link to a website that showed what will happen when the rapture occurs. The website had other video clips on it as well. I thought I saved it to my favorites, but it's not there and I really want to show some of the clips to my Son. If any of you know the website I'm looking for, could you please help me out. I know it wasn't godtube.com though! Thanks Everyone!!