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Hi Isa, Beautifully written post. AMEN to all you said. Thank you for your words, they are a blessing. Shalom, Mazra

Hi Everyone, If history is our guide, I believe we have a good idea from where the beast (anti-christ) will come from. The beast or anti-christ has come in many forms throughout time. Let's see what Good Book says: Revelation 17:9"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. (NIV) The first thing we need to understand is that these verse are widely viewed as being the hills of Rome, because Rome is known for sitting on seven hills. The problem with this idea is what the scriptures teach us. It says that the hills are also kings and five have fallen. The hills of Rome are not kings and they have not fallen. So this can not be Rome alone. The King James Version uses the term mountains. It is interesting to note that the Greek used by the Apostle John did not have a word we use today, and that is the word "Empire." The Greek word John uses is "Oros", which means mountains, but also means something stupendous, vast and incredible. I believe that the Apostle John was referring to Empires in Rev. 17:9. And Empires unlike hills do fall. It is interesting to note that by the time of the Apostle John, five empires that had come against Israel since its founding had fallen into historical record and ceased to exist as Empires. They are the following: Egyptians Assyrians Babylonians Persians Greeks During the time of the Apostle John one empire was ruling over Israel, the Roman Empire, the "one is." All we need to do is look at who replaced the Roman Empire's rule over the Holy Land to find the one that has "not yet come." In the seventh century Muslim followers of Muhammad took Jerusalem and the Holy Land. When you read from the scriptures above it is easy to get the idea that the seventh empire will "remain for a little while." The Muslims have been ruling some or all of this region for over 1300 years. They have indeed remained a little while. I beleive the eighth king will come from the seventh and final Empire of the beast. I believe he will be a Muslim. In light of current world events, what people stand firmly against Israel and all those who support her? The answer, of course, is the Muslims. They make more sense that any other, and they fit into the prophecy. Could Barack Obama be this eighth king? I seriously doubt it. It is more likely he will come from the land of Muhammad, Saudi Arabia, or at least some other predominantly Muslim nation. He will be seen by many in the Muslim world as their king. A problem with Barack Obama is that his back ground will likely allow unchecked any efforts of this eighth king. It states in scripture that G-d will Bless those that Bless Israel and Curse those that Curse Israel. As long as we continue to Bless Israel, G-d will Bless us. As soon as this Blessing stops, then we can expect Curses. Will Obama Bless Israel? Shalom, Mazra

Hi Old Timer, I do! Not only in my original post to this thread, but elsewhere in other writings, I do encourage believers both Jew and Christian to flee from New York City. 911 may be just the beginning of a series of plagues that will befall the city. Rev. 18:4 is just another point that this is a place and not a religion. Plagues are not the kind of thing to come upon a religion. But plagues will effect a city. And even if Rome was destroyed utterly, that would not put an end to the Roman Catholic Church. It would become headquartered in some other predominantly Roman Catholic city like Madrid or Sao Paulo. And to what purpose? The RCC with all its faults still holds to one essential truth, and that is that Jesus is Lord. That is more than the Jehovah Witness can claim. I for one will not attack the body of Messiah. Not only does it not fulfill the prophecy, it is just plain wrong. In reality I do not write this for your benefit. It is very clear that there is nothing I could write to sway you; but I write this to those whose minds are not certain in this area. Some of them may live in the environs of New York City and will have to pray and ask G-d to discern if what I write is Biblical and makes sense. I am just a messenger. Many will ignore this, and like in your case, will already have their minds made up. I can only put the message out there. It is up to each individual to do as they wish with this information. I encourage everone to test what is said in light of scripture for both your theories as well as mine Shalom, Mazra As an editional edit you mentioned the bride groom verse from Rev. 18 23The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world's great men. These verses are concerning the city after it has been destroyed by the great mill stone thrown in to the sea. The voice of bridegroom and bride in nothing more than a real bridegroom and bride. The happy event of marriage will not be heard in the city again, just like the harpist and other musicians will not be heard. But I added one more verse concerning the merchants being the world's great men. Since when did the Roman Catholic Church have merchants that the world would consider great men? New York City could claim many great merchants from Alexander Hamilton to Rockefeller to Trump. But name one great Roman Catholic Church merchant? The RCC just does not fit the prophecy.

Hi Old Timer, Then who do you think is her King? Anything you would say would be conjecture though since the only reference to kings is in the heads of the beast, and the scripture clearly indicates that the beast is against the harlot (Rev 17:16), and not the harlot's husband. Since when does harlots have husbands anyway. As a minor point, is the Queen of England married? Is her husband King? I believe the verse means the harlot does not know loss or suffering and has not been conquered. But then that is only conjecture on my part, since I really do not know the Apostle John's intention with this verse and neither do you. I would rather look to the clear verses or clues about a city, the merchants, the sailors, the many waters, and the city's ruling over the kings of the earth to the identity of Mystery Babylon. Shalom, Mazra

Hi Cobalt1959, The same could be said to you, in that you are focusing on the wrong thing. This issue is a CITY. How many times does the scriptures has to call Mystery Babylon a city before people will see it is just a city? It is not a corrupt spiritual system. It is not a false religion. It is not an aberrant Christian denomination. It is a city that rules the kings of the earth (Rev. 17:18). And in all the history of mankind only one such city has contained a government that did this, New York City and the United Nations. Shalom, Mazra

Hi Old Timer, Since when does a Queen have to have a King? There have been plenty of examples in our history of Queens that had no King. Who is the present King of England? Again you read way too much into these verses that simply are not there. A harlot is seen as a woman. A female ruler is known as a Queen. I see the verse you quoted as simply meaning that the city has not been conquered and is prideful in its roll as a great world capital. New York City has not been conquered. When it fell to the British during the American revolution, many of its citizens were British loyalist. Before 911 there was an air of invulnerability. 911 has shattered this. Listen Old Timer, we are not going to agree. You are so entrenched in your point of view that you will not see mine; and quite frankly I am the same way. I am convinced that New York City is the harlot of Babylon, and I am equally convinced it is not a false religion or the Roman Catholic Church. Thank you for your time. Shalom, Mazra

Hello Everyone, The idea that the Roman Catholic Church is the harlot of Babylon dates back to the 1500

Hi Cobalt1959, You are right! There is one more event to come. Rev 18:21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again. I beleive 911 was the manifestation of the hatred by the beast. It is not the beast that will destroy the city for its ultimate destruction will come from G-d. Revelation 17 is a prophecy about the attack by the beast, and Revelation 18 is more about this coming destruction by G-d. That is why this is so very important! Rev 18:4Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; None of the clues found in Revelation 18 point away from New York City. It talks of the city being a center of commerce and shipping. New York City truly fits this. It has a vast seaport and it is the largest city in the wealthiest nation the world has ever known. I appreciate your input. It provides for an opportunity to respond. Shalom, Mazra

Hi nebula, We may have to agree to disagree. Though many cities in history could claim elements of the harlot, New York City was the birth place of some terrilbe things. As I mentioned before the first abortion clinic was in this city. Ironically it formed to cater to the large number of pregnant prostitutes in the city. This abomination alone is enough to give the city the title "Mother of Harlots and the abominations of the Earth." Abortion is the great killer of the innocent. We must know that G-d is very sad about this tremendous loss of life, and would be angry at any location that would begin such a foul act. But there is so much more. As previously mentioned the first motion picture studios started in the suburbs of New York. The first television transmissions originated there. New York City is the home of nine of the ten largest publishing companies in the world. It is the world's media capital. Sure! This city has given birth to many horrible offsprings of which Hollywood would be one. But that is what a mother does, she gives birth. The prophecy says the harlot is a city, and New York City is the mother of harlots. She fulfills the prophecy and fulfills it unlike any other city in the history of the world. First, I beleive the blood of the saints and those who bore testimony to Jesus part of the prophecy is nothing more than an indication that the harlot city will have many believers within it, and not some great martydom as some English translations would indicate. Rev. 18:4Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues G-d's people are within this city. New York City is a predominantly Christian city. It also has the second largest Jewish population of any city in the world. Finally, I beleive the beast is a representation of earthly empires that have risen against Israel. The harlot riding the beast is not unlike a rider riding a horse. Does a horse wish to be ridden? Most likely not. When the Apostle John saw this vision, he was astonished: Rev 17:6....When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7Then the angel said to me: "Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. Before this point, it is all imagery, a vision. After this point in the prophecy the angel explains the meaning, and it is from this point that the clues are provided. The angel later explains the relationship between the harlot and the beast. Rev17:16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. The beast hates the harlot. I believe this beast's present manifestation is Islam and the peoples that are devoted to it. Osama Bin Laden is seen by many in the Muslim world as their king. I believe he fulfills the prophecy of the eighth king. Rev 17:11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. Osama Bin Laden's hatred was manifested on 911. What a large loss of innocent life on a single day. There is much still to be fulfilled. But the beast has long ago risen from the sea. Six heads have already come and gone. We are at the seventh head and the eighth king. I know that there will be many that will reject what I write. But the time is near. Prophecy has been fulfilled. Shalom, Mazra

Hi Pearl_Butterfly, First of all I agree with you. The vast bulk of Bible prophecy is centered around Israel. The interesting thing is that the vision the Apostle John received refers to the harlot city as Mystery Babylon. The words Mystery Babylon refers to something to be discovered; and something like the Babylon of old but different, something possibly new; possibly something that did not even exist during his time. I sincerely beleive the beast will be a Muslim and come from a muslim country. Revelation 17:16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. (NIV) If the beast is a Muslim then it will not hate itself. It will hate something different that is getting in its way, like the power and wealth of the United States. New York City is the largest city in the wealthiest country the world has EVER known. The World Trade Center towers were a very visible edifice of this tremendous wealth and influence. The key verse in the prophecy is the following: Revelation 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." This is a bold idea, a city that rules over the kings of the earth. How could this be so? Until the United Nations it could not be so. But the UN "is so" and makes rulings over all the nations of the earth. Where is the UN located? NYC of course! I know that I will not convince everybody or even one. But I feel the need to put this out there again. I believe the pieces to the mystery points to New York City. It is up to each individual to read for themselves and say, "That makes sense" or "What a bunch of baloney." Many have already made up their minds one way or another, and anything I write will likely not change their mind. I have made up my mind! I believe New York City is Mystery Babylon and I letting you and all who take their precious time to read the post see why I believe as I do. Shalom, Mazra

Hi nebula, I appreciate your input. It is important to test things in light of G-d's word. This is good! New York City long before Las Vegas was sin city. In the book Gotham, a history of New York City, the city was known for its prostitution dating back to the early 1800's and before. Back in the mid-1800's there was even an abortion clinic in the city, the first of its kind. It was closed down, but this was the starting place, the "mother" of it. I could go on and on about such beginnings as the porn industry that started in and around New York City. The motion picture industry started there. The city fits the term "Mother of Harlots" better than any other on earth, for so much of the world's mass media and the ills that come with it, owes its birth place to New York City. Rev. 17:6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. (NIV) The "drunk with the blood of the saints and those who bore testimony" simply could mean that the city contains many saints and bearers of the testimony of Jesus. This is a Christian city, so there are many saints and bearer of G-d's word there. I am sure many of them died of on 911. Some versions refer to the word "martyrs, which comes from the Greek word Martus." The word has two meanings, the bearer of testimonies like in a witness, and those that die violently for their belief. The NIV chose the former meaning. Your version chose the latter meaning. Unfortunately neither of us knows which one the Apostle John intended. When there are these kinds of uncertainties it is best to stick to the clearer verses of which there are many that point to New York City as noted in my original posting. And finally the destruction of the city by a mill stone has not yet occurred. Revelation 18:21 is an unfulfilled prophecy, something of which must be understood for its ultimate destruction maybe near. The call to leave her is an important call. I beleive the mystery was intended to be solved prior to this event as a warning to the believers within her. Shalom, Mazra

Hi stan4257. You know something far more valuable than understanding any element of prophecy, and that is to love your neighbor as yourself. This is far more imporatant than any words posted on this message board. Because words are nice; but action is better and providing for your neighbor's need is doing unto G-d. May G-d Bless You for that. The one thing I try very hard to stay away from is predicting a time. The events of 911 have already occurred, and I beieve they are a fulfillment of Bible Prophecy. This is not the return of our Messiah though. Of that, I have no idea of the day or hour. However, I do believe we are in the season. And that we are to know. Shalom, Mazra

You wrote this??? I have read it several times in different places on the internet. Do you use other names? Hi glory2000, Yes! I originally wrote about Mystery Babylon being New York City back in 1992, and started putting out articles on the web around 1994. It is with no surprise that many have come to the same conclusions that I have in my Bible study. This is only a confirmation to me that New York City is indeed Mystery Babylon. This is great news since it is important that we understand the fulfillment of this prophecy. It is both a clear indication of the fact we are in the days predicted in Revelaiton and elsewhere in the Bible and more importantly in the sovereignty and glory of the living G-d. Shalom, Mazra

Revelation 17:5 This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Who is the Mother of Prostitutes? She was referred to as Babylon. Was she ancient Babylon? Or was she something different? She was given the additional title Mystery. Using the Bible and an our knowledge of history, let us attempt to solve this mystery. Babylon was a great empire during the time of Nebuchadnezzer. In 586 BC Nebuchadnezzer sacked Jerusalem and took the people of Judah captive (2 Kings 24). By 539 BC Cyrus the Great of Persia captures Babylon, putting an end to what historians call the Neo-Babylonian Empire. The empire fell at this time, never to rise to power again. The Apostle John wrote the Book of Revelation in the 1st century AD, around 600 years after the fall of Babylon, yet he wrote: Revelation 18:2 With a mighty voice he shouted: "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. This can not be ancient Babylon. It had already fallen. This is something new. Look back at Revelation 17:5 and the title given to the Apostle John by Heaven itself, was for something yet to come. Something in the Apostle John=s future, a Mystery Babylon. How are mysteries solved? There must be clues. Revelation 17 and 18 provides us with many clues as to the identity of this Mystery Babylon. Let us take the clues that the Holy Scripture provides. Let us accept the revelation that is provided; for it is the title of the book. Rev. 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." This clue reveals what Mystery Babylon is. It is like ancient Babylon. It is a city. Rev. 18:10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!' In chapter 18 Mystery Babylon is identified as a city. This identification is further revealed in verses 16, 18 , 19 and 21. Time and again, the book of Revelation, reveals Mystery Babylon as a city. It is not a nation. It is not a person. It is not a religion, or an institution. It is not some New World Order. It is not the Pope or the Roman Catholic Church as many believe. It is a city. If it is a city, then which city is it? Does the scriptures give us any clues. Yes! There are plenty of them. Rev. 18:18 "Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, 'Was there ever a city like this great city?' This verse reveals to us that when Mystery Babylon is set afire, sea captains and sailors will lament about the city. Mystery Babylon must be a port city, a regular port-of-call to those who earn their living by the sea. This clue allows us to rule out cities that are not a port city. This would rule out such cities as Paris and Moscow, the site of Ancient Babylon and even Rome. Let us look at other clues about Mystery Babylon. Rev. 18:11 "The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more-- 12cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men. During the time of the Apostle John, these commodities were the richest and most valued of items. This verse indicates a city of tremendous wealth. It even says in Revelation 18:23 AYour merchants were the world's great men. The city will be renown for its leaders of commerce and industry, and not politicians, admirals, or generals. In Rev. 18:3 it reads, Athe merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries. The city will have such great wealth that the Holy scriptures will refer to its luxuries as excessive. There is more! Back at the beginning of Revelation 17 one of the seven angels mentions Amany waters. Rev. 17:1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. And later in the chapter the many waters is revealed. Rev. 17:15 Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. The city will contain peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. How can a singular city contain such? Yet, there is such a city. And finally a most revealing clue: Rev. 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." The city will rule over the kings of the earth. How can a singular city rule over, in other words, the leaders of the earth? Yet again, there is such a city. There is only one city that fulfills this prophecy. Since the prophecy was written in the first century AD only one city could have fulfilled it. New York City contains a government that passes resolutions that affects every leader or government on earth. The United Nations, whose headquarters are in New York City, was founded in 1945 and no government has had such a global authority. Some may say the United Nations is often ineffective as a government, but the prophecy does not mention the quality of the government, only that it will rule. The United Nations does pass rulings over the governments of the earth. Each United Nation Decree is capable of leveling severe consequences to any nation on the face of the earth! None are exempt. Looking further, New York City is a melting pot, a multitude of peoples from many nations and with many languages. It fulfills Rev. 17:15. The United Nations itself is a collection of most of the nations of the earth. The representatives of these nations, come with their many languages, and pass their resolutions at the United Nations. They require many translators. And with these translators, they become as one tongue. This offers us a clue to why the title Mystery Babylon is given. This is not a reference to the Babylon of Nebuchadnezzer, but of a far more ancient Babylon. Genesis 11:6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. This verse is a reference to the construction of the tower of Babel at Babylon. Mystery Babylon, New York City, is a place where the peoples of the earth gather Aas one people speaking. New York City fulfills the clue about being a seaport. It fulfills the clue about the merchants being great men. It fulfills the clue about wealth and excessive luxuries. Consider this, New York City is the largest city in the wealthiest nation the world has EVER known. New York City fulfills all the clues, and no other city has ever done so. Why is this so important? There is a command from the LORD: Rev. 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; We are to know that the her is New York City, and we are commanded to leave her. What is to come of her? In Revelation 18:10 it say, AIn one hour your doom has come! Rev. 17:16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. The beast will bring her to ruin. Then who is the beast? Just as Revelation chapter 17 gave us clues about the woman, it gives us clues about the beast. Rev. 17:8 - 11 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come. 9 "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. Many Bible scholars have pointed to the seven hills reference in verse 9 as being Rome, for it is known as the city that sits on seven hills. However, look at verse 10, it says five of the hills have fallen. Rome=s hills have not fallen. In the New International Version (NIV) verse 9 uses the word hill. In the King James Version (KJV) and New American Standard Bible (NASB) the translation is mountains. The Apostle John did not have a word we use today, and that word is empire. Could the Apostle John be referring to a vast land area that was ruled by kings? In verse 10 it refers to the hills as being seven kings. Hills do not fall, but empires do. Could the seven hills reference be talking about empires? The Apostle John=s primary reference point is Israel. The Bible is centered around Israel; and Bible Prophecy is based on the nation. History tells us that since the beginning of the formation of the state of Israel up to the time of the Apostle John, five empires had come against the Jewish people. They were the following: 1.) Egyptians (1 Kings 14:25; 2 Chronicles 12:2) 2.) Assyrians (2 Kings 17:6) (722 BC) 3.) Babylonians (2 Kings Chapter 25) (605 BC) 4.) Persians (2 Chronicles 36:23) Persian King Cyrus captures Babylon takes control over Judah (539 BC) 5.) Greeks (Alexander the Great conquered much of the Middle East, including all of the Persian Empire. The Greek general Ptolemy captures Jerusalem in 320 BC) By the 1st century AD these five empires had fallen, never to rise again. Coincidence? In verse 10 it also says, one is. Could there been an empire that existed during the Apostle John=s time? Yes! In 63 BC the Roman general Pompey captured Jerusalem. Rome ruled over the Holy Land during the life and times of the Apostle John, and during the entire life of our Messiah. Then verse 10 says, the other has not yet come, but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. Who followed Rome=s rule over the Holy Land. The Roman empire ruled the Holy Land from Rome from 63 BC until around 330 AD, and then from Eastern Roman empire capital of Constantinople through 638 AD, when Arab Muslim followers of Muhammad captures Jerusalem. The Muslims have been ruling over some or all of the Holy Land ever since. The Muslims are the seventh head of the beast. Rev. 17:11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. This eighth king will be a Muslim, he belongs to the seven, and the last empire of the beast is the Muslims. Look back at Rev. 17:16. The eighth king will hate the prostitute eating her flesh and burning her with fire. Eat her flesh? Is this eighth king a cannibal? No. The prostitute is a city. New York City. What is the flesh of a city? Our flesh is our outer covering. You see the flesh on our face when you take a picture of us. When you taka a picture of a city, what do you see? The buildings! The flesh of a city are buildings. The buildings will be eaten and burned with fire. This has already happened. It occurred on September the 11th. NOTE: PLEASE FORGIVE! AT THIS POINT, YOU SHOULD SEE A PICTURE OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS TAKEN AT THE TIME THE SECOND PLANE HIT ONE OF THE TOWERS. FOR SOME REASON THE IMAGE WOULD NOT LOAD INTO THIS POST. Will we ever forget that day? Osama Bin Laden looks to be this eighth king,, a king of Terror. He is not dead. He seems to keep evading all of our efforts to kill him. The beast of Revelation keeps surviving even possibly fatal wounds. Rev. 13:3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. It is interesting to note that Osama Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia, the same place that the first king of the Muslims, Muhammad, came from. We are nearing the time of the second coming of the Messiah. We must prepare our self for His coming and heed His warnings: Rev. 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues: September 11th may only be the first of many

Hi Humanoid, Revelation 20 The Thousand Years 1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. It clearly states that the devil will be bound for the thousand years. The beast (anti-christ) was thrown in the Lake of Fire at the end of Chapter 19, so he is out of the picture. Bottom-line, it is not Biblical that there will be a co-existing Millennial Kingdoms of the Messiah and another for the beast. But it does make for interesting discussions. Shalom, Mazra

Interesting perspective. I agree with it. First post I have read that echoed some foundation when it comes to AntiChrist. Hi Everyone, I believe he is in the batters box and have taken a swing or two. G-d Bless and Shalom, Mazra

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Hi Rick, Thank you very much for your words. They provide a great deal of encouragement. Shalom, Mazra

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Hi Todd, Let me first say again, I really enjoy reading your post. I would say overall we are more allied in the matters of Bible Prophecy than opposed. Our differences may be really inconsequential, as both of us see the Muslims, in one form or another as the final empire of the beast. I believe that all Bible Prophecy is based around Israel or the Jewish peoples. I believe Daniels prophecies, including the prophecy concerning Nebuchadnezzer's statue was symbolic of empires that directly effected Israel generally and maybe Jerusalem specifically, since afterall Daniel was Jewish and likely witnessed the fall of Jerusalem. The fall of Constantinople by the Ottomans is not an event that effected Israel or the Jewish people directly. The Muslims already had control of Jerusalem by this time. I have found the symbolism in Daniel Chapter 2 to be extremely precise. For instance, look at the Head of Gold representing Nebuchadnezzer's empire. King Nebuchadnezzer was a despot that ruled with absolute authority. His Neo-Babylonian empire was lusterous like gold and included such fantastic edifices as the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. But like gold is a brittle metal, so too would Nebuchadnezzer's empire be lasting less than one hundred years. The Medo-Persian empire's monarchy did not have Nebuchadnezzer's granduer, but like silver is a stronger metal than gold, the empire would last longer, around 200 years. Alexander's Greek empire, though fractured, would last longer than the Persians; and not unlike Bronze is stronger than Silver, this empire would last over 250 years. The Legs of Iron (Rome) ruled with great power and strength, and as Iron is stronger than all the previous elements, the Roman Republic's rule over Israel was around 700 years. In each of these changes in metal it was a clean cut, gold to silver, silver to bronze, bronze to iron. But at the feet it was not a clean cut, it was a blend of Clay with the Iron, a precise prophecy that the Iron (Rome) would not come to an end when the clay (Muslims) conquered Jerusalem in 632 AD. It is interesting to note G-d's choice of clay for the Muslims. Clay is a brittle worthless substance, yet when we excavate archaelogical sites one of the few things we find is clay pottery shards. It is an incredibly durable substance. The Muslims have ruled over some or all of Israel for over 1300 years, nearly as long as all the previous empires in Nebuchadnezzer's statue combined. But this empire of clay has been mostly weak and fractured. It would have some iron-like strength in it with the Ottomans or the Abbassid dynasty during the Crusades. And it is likely a new but brief Muslim empire will rise, but I doubt they will call themselves the Ottomans. Osama bin Laden is an Arab and was born in Riyahd, Saudi Arabia. The Ottomans were Turks. If Osama bin Laden, who would make a good choice as the man of perdition, form a ten nation Muslim confederacy, I believe it would have a more Arab Islamic oriented name. It is interesting to note that many believe Osama bin Laden to be dead. If he does show up again, it could very easily be seen as him coming back from a fatal wound, a prophecy (Rev. 13:3) that could be fulfilled in a dual way with Osama bin Laden and the rise of a new Muslim empire. It is likely we will not agree on these finer points, as I am sure you have as much invested in your Bible Prophecy study as I have in mine, but at least, and this is very important, we are both on the same page. Shalom and May Yeshua Bless You, Mazra BTW-I like the "Bush Read Your Bible" on your website. Ever since Rice became Bushs' Secretary of State the foreign policy concerning Israel has really gone bad. Land for peace does not work with a people that does not know the meaning of peace.

Hi Todd, You have the seven empires of the beast. My only difference would be that I see the 7th as the Muslims as a whole from the seventh century to today, and not the later forming and now defunct Ottomans. In Daniel Chapter 2 the last empire is seen as a varied people and seldom united, the Muslims are Arabs, Turks, Perians, Africans, Asians, and all sorts of varied peoples and they epitomize the concept of seldom united. In Revelations 17 it says that five empires had fallen, and by the time of the Apostle John five empires that conquered Israel had come and gone as you noted (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persians and Greeks). The prophecy says that one is, which was the empire that existed when Revelations was written(Rome). And one is yet to come, and when it does will remain for a little while. I would say the Muslims have remained for a little while, over 1300 years. The English or even the Crusaders can not be figured in the equation. The seven empires of the beast are all spirits of beast or anti-Christ that stand against the G-d of Israel. The Crusaders and the English, though often misguided, does not have the spirit of the beast in them. The English Mandate to rule the region was often tenous, and it was Britain's desire to end the relationship that lead to the matter being settled by the United Nations, and hence the formation of the State of Isreal. All the other seven empires were pagan or in the case of the monotheistic Muslims stand against Israel. The Romans would convert to Christianity much later, but in the beginning they were definitely pagan. I am glad you mentioned the Mongols. It was interesting that they would be stopped before conquering the Holy Land. I have enjoyed reading your post. I do believe though that the eighth king of the beast is an actual man and not a representation of the fallen Ottomans. Revelations 13:18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. This verse leads me to believe it is a man, a horrible individual that will be seen as the Muslim's Messiah. I beleve he is alive and plotting his rise to power as you read this post. I truly hope I am wrong about this. Shalom. Mazra P.S. For what it is worth, I do not believe in the least that the monotheistic Muslims worship the same G-d as Jews and Christians.

Hi Todd and Everyone, Thank you for your interesting and I believe RIGHT ON topic about Islam's awaited Messiah. It falls perfectly in line with my studies of Bible Prophecy. Another very important point about Islam is the Muslim world's intense hatred of Israel. Israel is the key to Bible Prophecy. In Nebuchadnezzer's Dream in Daniel Chapter 2 there is a prophecy about coming kingdoms beginning with Nebuchadnezzer's Neo-Babylonian empire and ending with G-d destroying an empire at the feet. There are two key elements to the prophecy, one is the empires relationship to Israel and the other is the unbroken statue itself. (Dates are based on the rule over Israel) Head of Gold (586BC to 539BC) - We know that this was Nebuchadnezzer's Neo-Babylonian empire. He would rule over all of Israel, destroying Solomon's Temples and taking the Jews into captivity. Arms and Upper Torso of Silver (539BC to 332BC) - Cyrus the Great of Persia would join two peoples (the arms) The Medes and the Persians to form the Medo-Persian Empire. He would conquer Babylon and all of Babylon's possessions including ruling over Israel. There is not a break between the Neo-Babylonian Empire and the Medo-Persian Empire. When the Persians came along the Babylonian empire ceased to exist, Lower Torso and Thighs of Bronze (332BC to 63BC) - The Macedonian Greek, Alexander the Great, would come along and conquer the Persian empire and all of its possessions including Israel. This would put an end to the Medo-Persian empire and would begin the Greek influence over most of the Middle East. It is interesting to note that as the thighs are separate, two parts of Alexander the Great's empire would fracture and war amongst themselves (the Seleucids and Ptolemys) often over control of Israel. Legs of Iron (63BC to 636AD) - The Romans would come along and conquer all of the Greek empires including control of Israel. It is interesting that the Romans control of Israel was split almost perfectly in two. The Romans first ruled Israel from Rome and then later for nearly the same amount of time from Constantinople when the Roman empire split into East and West. When the Romans came along the Greek empire came to an end. Feet of Iron and Clay (636AD to the present day)- Muhammad was more than just a prophet that founded Islam, he was a conqueror. He conquered as much by sword as by change. Being an Arab he was more native than the Romans which ruled the region. The people of the region were ready to throw off the Roman empire's rule. Muhammad's followers, after his death, would take Jerusalem in 636 AD. The Muslim's Clay would blend with the Iron, and Muhammad's empire would not destroy the Roman empire completely as happened in the previous conquest. His Muslim empire would rule over Israel and some of his followers still rule over parts of Israel to this day (Palestinians). The Muslims are the final empire in Nebuchadnezzer's statue. I strongly believe it will form a ten nation Muslim confederacy in the end, and it will be this confederacy that will be destroyed when the Messiah returns. Each of the empires forms a solid timeline from Nebuchadnezzer to today, no breaks and no reformation of a Roman empire as many students of Bible prophecy predict. This prophecy mirrors the seven kings prophecy in Revelation 17. with that prophecy ending in a ten nation confederacy of the beast. But that will be for another post at another time. Shalom, Mazra