wingnut-

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

No you didn't, because it doesn't say that. You think it says that.

 

I know it says that.  I am not given over to my imagination.

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

2 hours ago, wingnut- said:

Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

 

This is about the Demonic entities that did not refrain from going with Human women. Nothing more.

 

LOL and yet it says angels, major fail on your part.  As I said previously, I know you are given over to your own imagination and I'm not posting for your benefit, others can read for themselves.  All I know is it is time for Christians to walk in victory and let go of imagination.

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Satan is not yet cast down man !! Where do you guys come up with this stuff? 

 

I believe Jesus, and I posted one of the passages where He told us that satan was about to be cast out of heaven.  Jude confirmed this had already taken place by the time he wrote.

 

Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Dan. 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

And this is why your theory goes sideways, that passage is about the Messiah, not the boogeyman.  Like I said, you don't understand Daniel.

2 hours ago, angels4u said:

Wing, do you believe that prophecy happened  already?

 

I know it did.

 

2 hours ago, angels4u said:

Look around what is going on in Israel, prophecy is being fulfilled there just like the Bible says it will happen,the child is Israel and God will protect her during the tribulation  in Petra, Petra still exist

 

At its height Petra was home to a maximum of 30,000 people, now 85% of that city is buried by the earthquakes.  How many people live in Israel today?  1/3 of them today wouldn't have fit in Petra when the whole city was available.  Now it is impossible for anyone to be there because it floods, consistently, and the water system was destroyed.  On top of that, since people keep saying this is where the Jews would go, how good of a hiding spot would it be lol.

Best to follow what scripture says, Jesus told us that satan was being cast out of heaven as a result of the crucifixion, believe it.

49 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Do you see just a few of the problems that time line creates? 

 

There is no problem at all, I am not sure where you get some of your conclusions from regarding giants and such, it isn't in scripture.  Sister is 100% correct, this has already taken place.

On 8/17/2020 at 7:24 PM, Revelation Man said:

I don't think you can refute anything, that is your problem here sir. You know it is not refutable.

 

It's easily refutable, and I have already refuted it, but just to expand on the point let's take a closer look.

 

Revelation 12:5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

 

Now what we see in verse 5 is a representation of Christ's resurrection, where it states the child was caught up to God, the Greek word harpazo is used.  And what follows that according to John?

 

Revelation 12:7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

 

So satan was thrown down to earth in 33 AD following the resurrection of Christ, and then He pursues the woman.  Jesus spoke this just prior to His death and foretold the event was at hand.

 

John 12:30 Jesus answered, “This voice has come for your sake, not mine. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

 

Now when it comes to Petra we know quite a bit historically, for starters, Petra was the burial place of Aaron.  According to historians and archaeologists, Petra was originally occupied by bedouins that descended from Edomites, but it was the Nabataeans that developed the city and it served as their capital city.  It became wealthy because of its location midway between the Persian and Greek empires and thrived as a trade center in the region.

Petra became historically known in 312 BC when the Greeks decided to attack the city, most likely to seize the wealth for themselves.  The Greeks were defeated at that time and the Nabataeans would continue to rule Petra until 106 AD when the Romans took control of the area.  Somewhere in between 33 AD and 106 AD, Petra became Christian, which has been discovered through numerous archaeological digs at the site.  The temples within had been converted to a Christian theme, which prompted the Romans to burn them.

The area is renowned for its flooding, which prompted the Nabataeans to develop one of the most sophisticated and impressive water systems ever discovered.  Through a series of dams, cisterns, and aqueducts they devised a system that took in all the rainfall in the flood season and keep it constantly circulating so that even in the worst droughts they had water year round.  This water system that they designed offers explanation to what we are told in Revelation regarding this passage.

 

Revelation 12:15 The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth.

 

The entire water system was designed from the mountainous terrain itself, and made it so that the earth, literally swallowed up the flood waters.  It also speaks to the fact that this ingenious plan for the system itself was divinely inspired.

Petra suffered two major earthquakes, the first in 151 AD, which reportedly led to the collapse of half the city.  The second major earthquake to hit Petra led to its demise, in 353 AD during the Byzantine period the quake was so massive that the water system was irreparably damaged and the city could no longer sustain life or keep the seasonal flood waters out.  Petra was largely abandoned at this time, though the bedouins continued to use the area during the dry season, but Petra was lost to the world until the early 19th century when a Swiss traveler stumbled upon it.

In 2007 UNESCO declared Petra to be one of the New 7 wonders of the world, and following that declaration the Jordanian government took control over the area, displacing the bedouins permanently.  Today Petra is the largest tourist attraction in Jordan, but is only accessible at certain times of the year and only those cleared by the Jordanian government are permitted to visit the site.

So, you see, Petra is no longer available in the 21st century, and it is no longer a livable area because of the constant flooding that continues to plague the area.

On 8/16/2020 at 11:40 PM, not an echo said:

You really threw me here wingnut-.  I'm reminded of how that when we are putting a puzzle together, it is easy to sometimes suppose that when one side of a piece will fit, this may be where the piece goes.  With a puzzle, this is relatively easy to rectify.  With prophecy puzzle pieces, it is a little more difficult.

So, do you believe that what Jesus is speaking of in Matthew 23:38 is the dame thing that He is speaking of in 24:15 or Luke 21:20?

 

Yes.

 

On 8/16/2020 at 11:40 PM, not an echo said:

I am feeling almost like I have entered the Twilight Zone with you wingnut-. 

 

Well, let me try to help you out a little bit with that, I am what you would call a historical premillennialist, so things that you consider to be future are already in the past.  It begins with the understanding of Daniel, because when one goes off track with Daniel then everything that follows is off track as well.  Since we seem to be spinning our wheels and not getting anywhere I am just going to wait until we cross that bridge regarding Daniel's prophecy, because there is no point in repeating ourselves regarding these other things.

 

On 8/16/2020 at 11:40 PM, not an echo said:

First of all, Daniel is a little book compared to Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.

 

I kinda feel like I am in the twilight zone a bit myself because what you seem to be saying here makes absolutely no sense to me.  Daniel is part of God's word, He already knows it, He doesn't need a book to tell Him what it says, and we already have it ourselves.

2 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

A good docu-drama of AD 70. 

It was no small battle. It was prolonged and Jerusalem was well defended.

 

 

Well worth the watch for those interested, but if you could in the future, please submit videos in the proper section so they can be embedded properly.  I took care of it this time and will include the video in this post as the link in your post will be edited out.  Thanks

 

 

 

 

Just now, iamlamad said:

Does this speak of an earthly throne? That was specified. OF COURSE He sets on this throne in heaven! 

 

The throne of David.

6 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Scripture correctly understood shows Jesus returning to earth in Rev. 19.  Since the week ENDS in chapter 16, it would be impossible for Jesus to sit on an earthly throne before He descended to earth. 

 

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
    and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace
    there will be no end,
on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
    to establish it and to uphold it
with justice and with righteousness
    from this time forth and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.

54 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

You miss the whole point, Zechariah would not have known what a Tank and an Airplane was so God had to tell him about a form of battle he knew, MEN ON HORSES.

 

No, I'm not missing the point, you are just proving my point.  You claim it is literal and then since you can't make that fit with reality the objects suddenly become non-literal.  John had no issue using figurative language, and God gave the prophecy exactly as He meant it.  The wiser thing to do is recognize when a prophecy is said to be fulfilled that it was in fact fulfilled rather than stumble over everything.

 

54 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Its all about the END-TIMES. Israel Repents during the 70th week, now go read Zechariah 13:9-9 again and see that the 1/3 Repent.

 

If it was as you say, I guess we would find it in there somewhere wouldn't we?  Go read up on the history of what took place and you will find the people that fled the city and repented, as well as the 2/3 that did not repent and got wiped out by the Romans.

 

54 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

That has ZERO TO DO with the actual Prophesy however, you conflate things, its apples and oranges.

 

Yes of course, John telling us that it was fulfilled is conflating things.  The reality is, you are the one conflating things by ignoring what is written.

 

54 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

As per the earl Church, that is not a good point in  reality,  it wasn't the Jews, it was the Gentiles, a few Jewish Disciples started it, but God took the Mantle from the Jews and gave it to the Gentiles, that is what Romans chapters 9-11 is all about.

 

Well considering dispensationalism is rooted in anti-semitism it is no surprise your thoughts take you there.  However, you are so incredibly wrong it is astonishing.

 

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

 

Romans 2: 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11 For God shows no partiality.

 

54 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

It was an Angel that told them this............I think you are taking an IDIOM by Jesus and espousing it to be a factual statement. 

 

Matthew 11:13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John, 14 and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear,[e] let him hear.

 

Mark 9:11 And they asked him, “Why do the scribes say that first Elijah must come?” 12 And he said to them, “Elijah does come first to restore all things. And how is it written of the Son of Man that he should suffer many things and be treated with contempt? 13 But I tell you that Elijah has come, and they did to him whatever they pleased, as it is written of him.”

 

I think you are one of those not willing to accept it Jesus spoke of.

11 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

I honestly haven't spent a lot of time analyzing the who, what, when, and where's of future prophetic wars.  There's a time of war when the 2nd seal is opened.  A time of war against the Lamb at Armageddon.  And, I'm not sure I'd call it a war, but after the millennial kingdom when the rebels are consumed by fire.  There seems to be endless speculation, and I'm not sure what the benefit would be to jump into the fray.

 

Fair enough brother, and I know you see things much differently than RM does.  That being said, dispensational premilliennialists, particularly those who are pre-trib, believe that the war from Ezekiel 37-39 occurs at the beginning of their 7 year period.  Either right before their invisible event, or just after it, but this is the event they are looking for and you have probably seen referred to before in posts from them.

So I guess they believe that right now the Russians, Turks, and Iranians are up there in Syria right now churning out swords, chariots, bow and arrows, siege weapons, and amassing a massive cavalry, because that is what Ezekiel describes literally.

Just now, Last Daze said:

I don't see a future 7 year anything.

 

Ok, my mistake, but would you say the Gog-Magog invasion is at the start of  the period of time you see, or the end?

27 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

A few well-placed EMPs would make horses great again.

 

Of course, but a few well placed EMP's would not render automatic rifles useless would they?  While it isn't something specifically stated in Zechariah, it most certainly becomes an issue in regards to the numerous other OT passages.  For example, if I am not mistaken, you see Ezekiel 37-39 as something that occurs at the beginning of what you see as the 7 years, correct?

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So, should God have told Zechariah I will strike every man in a Tank or Airplane with Panic and destroy their Aircraft's and Tanks? Of course not, God told him where all people, from Zechariah's time to now (ME) can understand these thigs as they were WRITTEN, and apply them to their time period as needed !!

 

Zechariah knows what a horse and rider is, that is why he said it.  If Zechariah were recording something he did not know how to describe then he would have used figurative language like John did in Revelation.  You want to claim the passage is literal and then conveniently remove the literal explanation of the objects within it, that is inconsistent.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You don't understand what is being said. Zechariah was speaking 500 or so years before Jesus came. He is saying no such thing, hes saying its about the END TIMES.

 

I understand it just fine, and nowhere in that passage does Zechariah say anything about end times, that is a conclusion you arrive at because you don't understand Daniel properly.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

And the one whom they pierced and thus REPENT because of him, DIED along the way so their sins could be forgiven, but they REJECTED him until the very end. Show me where 1/3 of the Jews repented and accepted Jesus, if that had happened in 70 AD Jesus would have saved them from the Fourth Beast.

 

Jesus was not crucified in 70 AD, and when He was crucified He wasn't invisible on that cross, people could see Him.  What you are missing here is rather simple, salvation is available to the Jewish people right now, and has been all along.  As far as the history of the church, perhaps you should study it and if you do you will find the event happened.  Who do you think the early church was comprised of?

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

And i showed you an ANGEL telling John's father that he is come in the SPIRIT of Elijah and you dismiss that out of hand.

 

Got it, you think John's father knew more about it than Jesus who spoke quite plainly about the fact John the Baptist was the Elijah to come.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

.it should be CLEAR, Elijah turns Israel back unto God, John didn't do that.........DID HE?

 

Isaiah 40  Comfort, comfort my people, says your God.
2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem,
    and cry to her
that her warfare is ended,
    that her iniquity is pardoned,
that she has received from the Lord's hand
    double for all her sins.

3 A voice cries:
“In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord;
    make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be lifted up,
    and every mountain and hill be made low;
the uneven ground shall become level,
    and the rough places a plain.
5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed,
    and all flesh shall see it together,
    for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

 

That's exactly what John did, just what he was supposed to do, prepare the way for the Lord.

5 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, wingnut-.

Sure there is, brother! Calculating based on the Jewish calendar and using these Gregorian years, and the fact that December is either the month Shevat or Tevet (I used Microsoft Excel), we can have either a maximum of 1411, 1412, 1441, or 1442 days within this time period. A Jewish leap month is added usually every third year.

Daniel 12:11-12 (KJV)

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (1290 da). 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (1335 da). 

Do we know what month the statue of Zeus was constructed and the pig sacrificed?

 

I'm not sure I've ever seen anything other than the year, but you would think some historian would have recorded it, so I've probably just forgotten it.

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No one is going back to horses,

 

That's not what the scripture you posted says, if you want to apply it literally then at least be consistent.

 

Zechariah 12: 4 On that day, declares the Lord, I will strike every horse with panic, and its rider with madness. But for the sake of the house of Judah I will keep my eyes open, when I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

And you again REFUTE NOTHING by posting this passage brother. I don't think you can refute anything, that is your problem here sir. You know it is not refutable. 

 

Naturally, one of the disciples tells you it is fulfilled and you reject it.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, you conflate what this means totally.

 

Of course, Jesus tells you John the Baptist is the Elijah who is to come but you know better.

14 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

I believe that, given the context, this messenger is telling Daniel about the closer events surrounding Antiochus IV Epiphanes and his abomination that occurred in 167 B.C.

 

The problem here is that the statue of Zeus was torn down in December of 164 and the sanctuary cleansed, that isn't enough days to make this fit.

On 8/16/2020 at 1:59 PM, Revelation Man said:

Let me go ahead and prove to you Zechariah 13 is all about the End Times. As is chapters 12 and 14. Maybe that will overpower your one verse which I see you misconstruing. Number 1, have 1/3 of the Jews REPENTED or TURNED to Jesus Christ/God? Answer, NO, not yet, and thus Zechariah 13 can not be a past event, you just so happen to question me about three chapters I am well acquainted with.

 

I'm going to address your post for  the benefit of others, since you have made it quite clear you find yourself infallible and anyone that disagrees just doesn't know prophecy as stated in your initial response to me.  So let's just see.

 

On 8/16/2020 at 1:59 PM, Revelation Man said:

Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. 4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

""""The ABOVE is a well noted END TIME PROPHECY about Jerusalem in the End Times. It specifically says IN THAT DAY and that God will OPEN His eyes to the house of Judah once again.""""

 

So what you have here is a 21st century or beyond event, in which the people of this day are going to abandon their modern weapons of war and revert back to riding on horses and using swords I guess, and this seems sensible to you?  Strange, because having grown up around horses what I have found is most people today don't even know how to mount a horse, much less ride one.  In regards to the stone that is being referred to above that cuts people to pieces, have you heard?

 

Matthew 21:7 Finally he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’ 39 And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” 41 They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone that the builders rejected
    has become the cornerstone;
this was the Lord's doing,
    and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. 44 And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”

 

What do you suppose represents those other tenants that give Him fruit in due season?

 

On 8/16/2020 at 1:59 PM, Revelation Man said:

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

 

John 19:35 He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36 For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37 And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”

 

On 8/16/2020 at 1:59 PM, Revelation Man said:

Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

 

Psalms 36:7 How precious is your steadfast love, O God!
    The children of mankind take refuge in the shadow of your wings.
8 They feast on the abundance of your house,
    and you give them drink from the river of your delights.
9 For with you is the fountain of life;
    in your light do we see light.

 

Psalms 68:26 “Bless God in the great congregation,
    the Lord, O you who are of Israel's fountain!”

 

Jeremiah 17:13  O Lord, the hope of Israel, all who forsake you shall be put to shame; those who turn away from you shall be written in the earth, for they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living water.

 

And last and most importantly.

 

John 4:13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

 

On 8/16/2020 at 1:59 PM, Revelation Man said:

3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the Lord: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth. 4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive: 5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.

 

How many prophets have come forward in Jerusalem since the 1st century?

 

On 8/16/2020 at 1:59 PM, Revelation Man said:

Elijah is sent back

 

Again, looking to the future for something that already happened.

 

Matthew 11:7 As they went away, Jesus began to speak to the crowds concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? 8 What then did you go out to see? A man dressed in soft clothing? Behold, those who wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. 9 What then did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10 This is he of whom it is written,

“‘Behold, I send my messenger before your face,
    who will prepare your way before you.’

11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John, 14 and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

7 minutes ago, Spock said:

I read all those facts and events and said to myself.....are they accurate?

 

Therein is the problem with the approach, they are accurate up to the middle of the chapter and then when historians run out of answers they inexplicably jump thousands of years into the future and leave out major chunks of history.  If it is in fact history, then God would include all of the history.  God is consistent that way.

16 minutes ago, Spock said:

I think maybe RM was hoping that you would Finally   “get it” (light bulb going on) after reading his Daniel 11-12 commentary a second time. ?
 

so, did you?  Reread it?

 

There really is nothing to get from it brother, it follows the same model as all the others.  You get this comprehensive and detailed explanation up to the mid 30 verses and suddenly we jump two thousand years into the future for no apparent reason, at a time of no significance.  This jump occurs roughly 165-170 years before Christ even comes to the earth, and ironically jumps right past the most significant time in history to thousands of years in the future.  It just isn't sensible.

If chapter 11 is indeed historical, then wouldn't it cover all the history of it?  Where in RM's breakdown does it cover the rest of the story?  Where is the war between Marc Antony and Augustus?  Why does it not include all the events involving the history of the 4th kingdom if that is what it is about?

1 minute ago, Charlie744 said:

Spock, it is apparent that you are sold on the “history” lesson approach, and I did mention that in my message... no problem at all, I understand completely!

I certainly will refrain from giving my thoughts on 11 or 9... 

Have a nice day, Cy

 

 

Don't hold out on me charlie, I'm still interested in your take on 11 lol.

11 hours ago, RevReveal said:

In this particular forum, the 1st title is identified as “Pre-Tribulation...”. To the left of this title is a specific solid dark circle... (most show this). Some also have or had a lightly shaded star (I believe my subject had this for a long time), however, I noticed the star is gone and now there is nothing showing adjacent to the title...

 

11 hours ago, Sister said:

Yes, I can see that on my screen also Charlie, but don't know what it means.

 

I understand now.  The star represents a thread you have posted in, ones with a dot means you have not posted in those threads.  The order of the threads changes by activity, so when someone posts in a thread it moves to the top of the list.

4 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

So Daniels people have been in millennial bliss for the past 2,000 years.

 

I don't recall saying anything about the millennium.  I do think however if Daniel is not understood then it most likely leads to the wrong conclusions.  For example, are you aware that the land sat there desolate until the late 19th century?  When Mark Twain visited the land and wrote about how desolate it was, not even beasts to be found, it stirred up their hearts to return to their home land.  What event led to this desolation?

6 hours ago, Spock said:

Thanks for your thorough analysis of my many questions. I appreciate reading your perspective and like I have said, I appreciate you as my brother in Christ.  
 

For the record, I don’t really care if someone is a pre tribber, mid tribber, or a postie.....just as long as they love God, believe in Jesus, and hold up God’s word as authority.  We are all flawed humans trying to do our best...God understands this....I think His main concern is that we walk in love and kindness toward one another in the family....that way the earth dwellers could see that we really are different and that maybe this God they serve really is who they say He is. 
 

Shalom,

spock

 

I appreciate you also brother, and agree that eschatology positions don't affect who we are in Christ.

God bless