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The more accurate translation is rebellion, it would be the most literal translation of the Greek. It really doesn't matter whether one calls it rebellion, falling away, or departing. What it is not referencing is the rapture, which Paul makes clear as I have already pointed out twice now.

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Sorry sister, I know what it is like to be used in such a way. No need to ask forgiveness from me, you are in my prayers, God bless you.

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Let me know when you are going to address anything I post. On this forum, we are not debating the person, but the topic. In this case, the topic is the falling away, or departing as you prefer. Let me reveal how far off you are from what Paul said, again. Take verse 1 apart one piece at a time, applying proper context. II Thessalonians 2 Now concerning Concerning what? the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, Two things, that is what Paul says, concerning two things. The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, AND our being gathered together to Him. The and is an important part of the sentence, so here is a breakdown on what it means. and >conjunction 1 used to connect words, clauses, or sentences. 2 used to connect two identical words to emphasize progressive change or great duration: getting better and better. 3 (connecting two numbers) plus. 4 informal (after a verb) to: try and do it. See there, Paul connects the two things together, His coming, and our being gathered. II Thessalonians 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Now Paul tells us that His coming and our gathering is the day of the Lord in the second verse. II Thessalonians 2: 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, In verse 3 Paul tells us that the day of the Lord will not come, until the departing (as you like to call it) comes first. This makes them two separate things you see, because you can't have a gathering before the gathering. First you have a rebellion, then His coming and our gathering comes after that. This is how it works in any language. This thread is about the falling away, specifically, not rapture positions. What is nonsensical, is trying to change the departing (as you prefer) into the rapture, when the rapture takes place afterward according to Paul. Once you accept what Paul is saying here, it dismantles the rest of the position anyway. God bless

It's not easy to love selfish people, imagine how God feels about all of us most of the time. He does it though, and this is our example. That doesn't mean you should become a doormat for anyone either. My advice is something my dad shared with me long ago, and though on the surface it may not seem applicable, think about it and see if it isn't. What he told me was, never make a loan to friends or family expecting repayment. If you can't afford to lose it, don't lend it in the first place. Consider it spent the moment you hand it over, and if it comes back to you, it's a blessing. God bless

Thanks for sharing, God bless you.