Rapture

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ohh

"this man of sin" signs a seven year peace plan with ISRAEL & guarantees the security & safety of ISRAEL.

Where did you get this from.

I know where Dan. 9:27

[Brad]

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Here is what I Believe and yes apart of this is what the adventures believe, but not all. If there is anything that the Adventist may have right I believe it is there view on Dan.9:27. They believe the the Great Tribulation happened between 538 AD to 1798 AD exactly 1260 years or a years for a day of three and a half years. But what I see is slightly different.

TIMES OF GREAT TRIBULATION

      As to the mystery of the period of time the Great Tribulation was to last it has been worded many different ways in the scriptures. Time, times and half a time or forty - two months or 1260 days are the different ways found in scripture. It is originally from:

Daniel 9

24   Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25   Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26   And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27   And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.  

In the last half of the week, this period of time was after Jesus

[Brad]

Shadow 2b

Here is what I Believe and yes apart of this is what the adventures believe, but not all. If there is anything that the Adventist may have right I believe it is there view on Dan.9:27. They believe the the Great Tribulation happened between 538 AD to 1798 AD exactly 1260 years or a years for a day of three and a half years. But what I see is slightly different.

TIMES OF GREAT TRIBULATION

      As to the mystery of the period of time the Great Tribulation was to last it has been worded many different ways in the scriptures. Time, times and half a time or forty - two months or 1260 days are the different ways found in scripture. It is originally from:

Daniel 9

24   Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25   Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26   And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27   And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.  

In the last half of the week, this period of time was after Jesus

[Guest shadow2b]

"this man of sin" signs a seven year peace plan with ISRAEL & guarantees the security & safety of ISRAEL.

Where did you get this from.

I know where Dan. 9:27

[Brad]

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These are totally my views and you will not find them in any book that I'm aware of. however there my be someone else that have come to some of the same conculsions. I did find to my surprise that there are some groups out there that have some kind of like belief like I do but not as complete. I'm coming from a background that I have heard about every well known point of view possible and I have not arrived but I have come to a bigger picture and understanding that makes sense of what could happen without the signs and wonders that most are just waiting for. John said in Rev.1 these thing will shortly come to past and Jesus said this generation will not past away til these things come to past. Well it's two thousand years later I wander did we miss it or what. And I've heard that one explain to to sway me to believe what I use to at one time. I've had some supernatural things happen to me but I will not get into that, people can write off anything if they want to believe the things that are already set in their mind.

I pretty well stand alone in my views and do not expect any to see things the way I do, but if what I share is not fully complete I hope that what I share will be a stepping stone to fuller truth.    

[Guest shadow2b]

Shadow 2b

Here is what I Believe and yes apart of this is what the adventures believe, but not all. If there is anything that the Adventist may have right I believe it is there view on Dan.9:27. They believe the the Great Tribulation happened between 538 AD to 1798 AD exactly 1260 years or a years for a day of three and a half years. But what I see is slightly different.

TIMES OF GREAT TRIBULATION

[Brad]

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Well Bro I'll let you remind me in heaven someday when we will all know the truth. But I'll let you have the honor to tell the people who suffered greater tribulation then you or I that our generation was the one to go through it.  

Don't worry all former things will not be remember lucky for us. :il: that we are in His grace.

I guess we can drop this topic

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[wordsower]

Commentary from searchgodsword.com on Daniel 9:27--not mine but I think it's good:

These are "weeks" or more accurately, sevens of years; seventy weeks of seven years each. Within these "weeks" the national chastisement must be ended and the nation re- established in everlasting righteousness (Daniel 9:24 The seventy weeks are divided into seven == 49 years; sixty-two = 434 years; one = 7 years (vs. 25-27). In the seven weeks == 49 years, Jerusalem was to be rebuilt in "troublous times." This was fulfilled, as Ezra and Nehemiah record. Sixty-two weeks == 434 years, thereafter Messiah was to come (Daniel 9:25This was fulfilled in the birth and manifestation of Christ. Daniel 9:26 26 is obviously an indeterminate period. The date of the crucifixion is not fixed. It is only said to be "after" the threescore and two weeks. It is the first event in Daniel 9:26 The second event is the destruction of the city, fulfilled A.D. 70. Then, "unto the end," a period not fixed, but which has already lasted nearly 2000 years. To Daniel was revealed only that wars and desolations should continue (cf. Matthew 24:6-14 The N.T. reveals, that which was hidden from the O.T. prophets ; Matthew 13:11-17 Ephesians 3:1-10  that during this period should be accomplished the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 13:1-50 and the out-calling of the Church ; Matthew 16:18 Romans 11:25 . When the Church- age will end, and the seventieth week begin, is nowhere revealed. Its duration can be but seven years. To make it more violates the principle of interpretation already confirmed by fulfilment. Daniel 9:27deals with the last week. The "he" of Daniel 9:27 is the "prince that shall come" of Daniel 9:26, whose people (Rome) destroyed the temple, A.D. 70. He is the same with the "little horn" of chapter 7. He will covenant with the Jews to restore their temple sacrifices for one week (seven years), but in the middle of that time he will break the covenant and fulfil ; Daniel 12:11 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4 Between the sixty-ninth week, after which Messiah was cut off, and the seventieth week, within which the "little horn" of Dan. 7. will run his awful course, intervenes this entire Church-age. Daniel 9:27 deals with the last three and a half years of the seven, which are identical with the "great tribulation." Matthew 24:15-28 "time of trouble" Daniel 12:1 hour of temptation" Revelation 3:10 (see "Tribulation," ; Psalms 2:5 Revelation 7:14 (See Scofield "Psalms 2:5

make reconciliation

There is no word in the O.T. properly rendered reconcile. In the A.V. the English word is found 1 Samuel 29:4 2 Chronicles 29:24 Leviticus 6:30 Ezekiel 45:15,17,20 Daniel 9:24 </but always improperly; atonement is invariably the meaning. Reconciliation is a N.T. doctrine Romans 5:10 (See Scofield "Colossians 1:21

thy people Cf. Hosea 1:9 The Jews, rejected, are "thy people," i.e. Daniel's, not Jehovah's though yet to be restored.

reconciliation Heb. kaphar, atonement. See this verse note 1, and see note, Exodus 29:33

9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

from the going forth of the commandment

Three decrees concerning Jerusalem are recorded, that of Cyrus, B.C. 536 (Ussher), for the restoration of the "house of the Lord God of Israel" 2 Chronicles 36:22,23 Ezra 1:1-3 that of Darius Ezekiel 6:3-8 B.C. 521-486), and that of Artaxerxes in his seventh year. Ezekiel 7:7 say, B.C. 458). Artaxerxes in his twentieth year, B.C. 444 (Hales, Jahn), 446 (A.V.), 454 (Ussher, Hengstenberg), gave permission for the rebuilding of the "city," i.e., "Jerusalem" Nehemiah 2:1-8 The latter decree is, obviously, that from which the "seven weeks" (49 years) run, unless by "the commandment to restore," etc. is meant the divine decree Daniel 9:23In the present state of biblical chronology the date of the decree of Artaxerxes cannot be unanswerably fixed farther than to say that it was issued between 454 and 444 B.C. In either case we are brought to the time of Christ. Prophetic time is invariably so near as to give full warning, so indeterminate as to give no satisfaction to mere curiosity. (cf) ; Matthew 24:36 Acts 1:7 The 434 years reckon, of course, from the end of the seven weeks so that the whole time from "the going forth of the commandment to restore," etc., "unto the Messiah" is sixty-nine weeks of years, or 483 years.

9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

abominations

(Cf) Matthew 24:15The expression occurs three times in Daniel. In ; Daniel 9:27 the reference is to the "Beast," "man of sin"; 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4 and is identical with Matthew 24:15 In Daniel 11:31the reference is to the act of Antiochus Epiphanes, the prototype of the man of sin, who sacrificed a sow upon the altar, and entered the holy of holies.

[Brad]

Many people today think that the apostasy has not happened yet, but that it will happen at the every end of time by what it says in:

Daniel 9

Seventy Weeks and the Messiah

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[Brad]

Sorry I didn't mean to double post on the last one. I did some additions and just wanted to bring them out in this one.

Daniel 9: 26 represents either the people of Jesus Christ the Prince of Peace or the people of the Prince of the Roman Empire in the days of the early church shortly after the death and resurrection of Jesus with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. If the Prince of the people in Verse 26 is referring to the little horn or Roman Empire Verse 27 takes us right back to what the Messiah Jesus Christ did in the first half of the verse than the last half of Verse 27 speaks of the one who comes on the wing of abominations.

If the Prince of the people in Verse 26 is referring to the people of Israel who did have their Prince of Peace Jesus Christ crucified it would support scriptures like:

Matthew 27

50. And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

51. Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,

52. and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;

53. and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

John 2

18. Then the Jews demanded of him,