johnc Posted February 21, 2003 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 92 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/05/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2003 What you seem to be saying RThunder(correct me if I have it wrong) is that true believers will be divided at the time of rapture based on their righteous standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsth Posted February 21, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2003 Dear Johnc, If I may ask a question of you, Do you think there is a distinction of followers spoken of in Hebrews 3:7-19? In His Truth, Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted February 21, 2003 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 92 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/05/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2003 Hi Suzanne, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsth Posted February 21, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2003 Hi johnc, I just noticed you're referring to RCruise, do you mean RThunder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted February 22, 2003 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 92 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/05/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2003 Oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsth Posted February 22, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2003 Yes, johnc, But repeatedly stumbling over the same stumbling block, is no longer stumbling, but then becomes "rebellion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted February 22, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 22, 2003 What you seem to be saying RThunder(correct me if I have it wrong) is that true believers will be divided at the time of rapture based on their righteous standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsower Posted February 23, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,545 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/18/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/27/1968 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I have prayerfully considered this and I have to say that I disagree somewhat. Not trying to start any big debate but we have scripture in 1 Cor. 3:15 that shows some being saved, but barely, then we have Second Corinthians 5:21 declares, "For God hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." I also have a problem with only the last generation of foolish virgins having to go through the tribulation, what about the billions of people prior to now that were lukewarm? Those mentioned who are greatest in the kingdom is talking about the new millinium and being appointed rulers and having kingdoms asigned. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, if we say we have no sin we are liars and the truth is not in us. To say that one sin delegates you to tribulation and another doesn't is simply one sin is worse than another. I do agree, there are those "so called" christians who have not made Jesus their Lord, who may believe but have procrastinated in coming to Him and surrendering all, these will not be raptured, because they aren't sown, not because they sin more than the next guy. The 5 foolish virgins have no Holy Spirit, they are not sealed for the day of redemption. If you are led by the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted February 24, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 24, 2003 I have prayerfully considered this and I have to say that I disagree somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted February 24, 2003 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 92 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/05/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2003 Suzanne, But repeatedly stumbling over the same stumbling block, is no longer stumbling, but then becomes "rebellion". One who has believed in the "Word" of the Lord, will follow and not go over the same stumbling block, to continue on in unbelief, is to stumble. Are you claiming that you flawlessly follow God's law from day to day? That is what I mean by "stumbling". It needn't be the same sin repeated; it's still stumbling - i.e, failing to meet up to God's perfection. And I would disagree that stumbling over the same sin repeatedly constitutes "rebellion" any more than falling over it once. "The rebellion", as used in the context of the quoted text, conveys a deliberate choice to reject their faith (as opposed to retaining their faith even though they sin) - they chose to no longer believe. This is an important distinction, for who is righteous before God? ANY sin would keep us from his presence if it weren't for his gracious gift. No matter how we divide true believers into groups (as rthunder suggests interpreting this), the end result is the same for our salvation is a work of Jesus. If we believe his work on the cross will save us, we are part of the faithful - the followers and I believe all such believers will be taken in the rapture whether they be dead or alive. Those that remain will be the "unwise" in that they didn't make the choice to fill their lamps (with the Holy Spirit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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