Revelation Posted April 11, 2002 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 6 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11, 2002 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..Romans 3:23.Why do catholics believe that Mary never sinned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Him Alone Posted April 12, 2002 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 396 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/26/1961 Share Posted April 12, 2002 That is one of the many things Catholicism has "added" into Christianity, like confessing to a man instead of to God, calling human beings "saints" and praying to them instead of our Father, repeating memorized prayers... God warns against all of these things in His Word. There is no scripture which points to Mary's being sinless. She was the vessel, not the gift! Mary was "blessed", but so is anyone who accepts the Lamb. There was but one perfect life, and I live For Him ALONE! Â And there is only ONE book which is the living word of the Only God, and that is the Holy Bible. Anything else is doctrine. I've always wondered though, doesn't God actually get angry when folks pray to (OR THROUGH) Mary or some other human being? He did warn against doing that repeatedly. Not judging--that's not my place. I've never understood and I can't get a Catholic to REALLY answer it. I've been reading munari's posts but still he points to alot of other writings than the Bible to back up his posts, so still there is being shown no real Scriptural basis for those practices being questioned. Confused as always... But in love of our Lord-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Posted April 13, 2002 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 6 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13, 2002 Is there any other catholic other than munari on this board that can answer this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebuchadnezzar Posted April 14, 2002 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 155 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/13/1953 Author Share Posted April 14, 2002 I would imagine it is because of these verses. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsitmean Posted April 14, 2002 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 881 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2002 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.If she had never sinned, she wouldn't need a saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joed86 Posted April 14, 2002 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2002 It's interesting that she called God her savior. Whereas other jews in those days were still awaiting the Messiah as their savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Posted April 14, 2002 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 6 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2002 And she said God my Savior....we need a savior and Jesus came to save us...she needed a savior and he came and saved her...Why would catholics believe that she is sinless then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boblandis Posted April 14, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 252 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,859 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2001 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/16/1963 Share Posted April 14, 2002 They have made Mary a deity and a co-equal to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Him Alone Posted April 16, 2002 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 396 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/26/1961 Share Posted April 16, 2002 She also said generations will call her Blessed. There is a big difference in Blessed and Sinless! Only one sinless person has ever or will ever live, and that is Christ. His sinlessness is what made Him the Perfect Sacrifice. No one else could be so worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EPHRIAM777 Posted April 24, 2002 Share Posted April 24, 2002 Quote: from Revelation on 8:11 pm on April 10, 2002 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..Romans 3:23.Why do catholics believe that Mary never sinned? Eph writes..because through the years..people decided she wasn't..That "tradition" was passed from generation to generation...Till you have and entire theology built around it..BUT not one based on the scriptural account..Mary was blessed among ALL women..but not sinnless...LUKE 1:42..1:48....She was the mother of the Lord..LUKE 1:43..But speaking of the babe JESUS as her Lord...not the mother of "God"..In the over all sence we know God to be..God is not a created being...and because even Mary said LUKE 1:46:47..They think Mary couldn't have had sin..in order to bare a child with no sin..LUKE 1:58 says she was "showed great mercy" by the Lord..This "great mercy" was to make her sinless they claim..!I don't agree..Mary was blessed..She was chosen..She IS the mother of the Lord..But she herself isn't devine in nature..!Most Protestants want to give her a "backseat"..because of the Catholic "overplay" she gets from them..!Which is just as wrong..!Remember....Sinnless and Blameless are not synonyms.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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