nebula Posted December 1, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 1, 2010 House Approves $4.6 Billion Settlement for Indian, Black Farmers By Chad Pergram Published November 30, 2010 FoxNews.com The House of Representatives approved a decades-old settlement worth $4.6 billion Tuesday that resolves two class-action suits filed against the federal government by black farmers and Native Americans. The thousands who joined the suit argued that the government discriminated against them as they applied for loans for agricultural ventures. The House approved the package 256-to-152. Read more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted December 2, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,272 Content Per Day: 4.87 Reputation: 1,855 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Ah! The first step in reparations for slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 How do you get swindled out of a loan? This whole thing is absurd, and I hope it fails to become law. The article doesn't give enough information about the indians being cheated out of resources that were supposed to belong to them, so I am not sure where I stand on that? If this is something going back to the 1800s, and the wrongs suffered then, I am opposed to any settlement. If it has something to do with them being cheated out of something on property that is currently deeded to them, I would think some settlement would be in order? My feeling is that Parker1 is probably right in saying this is step one towards an attempt at reparations for slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 2, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted December 2, 2010 Butero - I found an article that goes into more details here: Great falls Tribune " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyguy Posted December 2, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 373 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,331 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1965 Share Posted December 2, 2010 As far as the reparations for slavery issue goes, I don't think it's valid to punish people today for what their ancestors may or may not have done. If that was the case, Egypt owes Israel a TON of money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 2, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted December 2, 2010 The problem is the Native Americans today are still suffering the consequences of what was done to them the past two centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted December 3, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,272 Content Per Day: 4.87 Reputation: 1,855 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted December 3, 2010 The problem is the Native Americans today are still suffering the consequences of what was done to them the past two centuries. That is totally true. Our ancestors defiantly stole the land and massacred most of the tribes. They, for the most part, have never recovered. Except the tribes who own casinos. But I am against anything which leads to reparations for slavery. The only slaves in the U.S. now are in the sex trade and the garment industry. Let's deal with that instead of giving money we don't have to people who haven't known slavery for many generations. But, that's where we are headed, with the current atmosphere in Washington. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 3, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 Biblically, there is a mandate for the ones guilty of wrong-doing to make amends for what they did wrong - even across generations. And the lawsuit wasn't about reparations, although some may see it that way. Read the second article I posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Butero - I found an article that goes into more details here: Great falls Tribune " Thanks. That does clear up some of the details. It appears the Indians settlement was warranted and the settlement to the black farmers makes sense provided they can prove the reason they were denied assistance was race, and was not based on other factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Biblically, there is a mandate for the ones guilty of wrong-doing to make amends for what they did wrong - even across generations. And the lawsuit wasn't about reparations, although some may see it that way. Read the second article I posted. There are a few problems with regard to a Biblican mandate for making amends across generations. In the first place, we aren't following the law of Moses in other areas, and unless we plan to set up our laws based on the entire Old Testament law, that is really not relevant. It does give us a picture of why God would approve of some kind of reparations, but I don't think anyone was ever objecting to them on moral grounds. Then there is also the matter that slavery was allowed in the Old Testament, but was heavily regulated. The other problem is that every person that happens to be black is not the anscestor of slaves. In addition, not every person that happens to be white had anscestors that owned slaves, so it is not possible to sort that out in a way that is fair to everyone. Then you have the issue of slave traders. There were black people in Africa selling other black people from Africa into slavery, and so you can make the case that they are the ones that should be paying reparations. There is just no way in a practical sense to pay reparations that would be fair to all concerned. It is also my opinion that even if some kind of settlement were made, the issue would never go away. Those involved would never believed they got enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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