Catsmeow Posted March 22, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 439 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 7,315 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 356 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2003 I'm kinda laughing when I read your post...uh, yeah..I DID risk my life... Some other missionaries told me I was crazy for doing what I was doing...One even confessed that he didn't have the "backbone" for it...... In otherwords, YOD...{and I am being a bit hard and sarcastic here...} but the mission field is FILLED with cowards... Uh...YEAH! I did risk my life. I WAS warned about men with hats and white robes {Imams} in the village and told it wasn't safe to go there and had the children brought to me secretly at the church... Oh, I know the risks. I don't care. Look, I'm going to try to say this as nicely as I can. The truth is not everybody who calls themself a missionary has a clue what the word really means. I say this because I have a real problem with anyone who takes money from a church and calls themself a missionary and doesn't want to get "dirty". This is a real sensitive issue with me. I went into the field expecting to get real dirty and take some major risks. That's what a true missionary is about. Martin and Gracia Burham are examples of real troopers who went through the fires of affliction. I think her parents were missionaries in the Phillipines also... No, YOD...if someone calls themself a missionary, let them stand firm and not hide away like a frightened child. As Queen Ester said..."If I die, I die.." You know, if you go into missions, you can't be worried about your life. You're not there for an extended vacation. Sadly, too many people don't realize that. If you go into the field, you go without fear and trust in God or just forget it...or as you have heard...if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passionatefury Posted March 28, 2003 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/28/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 28, 2003 Hello, I am new to this board. I have been reading the posts in this topic, but ran out of steam to read all of them. I have a question for anyone who can help. It is one thing to evangelize to muslims and I understand that undertaking. What I am having problems with are the people that are not muslim, but claim they know all this stuff about Islam. You know the standard, "But Islam means peace." How do I tell people about the religion when in a discussion about it. They get very defensive even when I do my best to say things with love. Should I continue even trying? They seem totally closed to the truth. Forgive me if this doesn't make a lot of sense. It is midnight where I am. Any insight, suggestions, etc. would be most appreciated. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted March 28, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted March 28, 2003 passionatefury - Just pick-up your own English-version of the Koran and read it. My pastor did that, and he extracted all these passages about conversion-through-force. Muhammad was most definantly not a man of peace. But, to tell these folks, if you have the Koran with you, all you have to do is open it and show 'em. Make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passionatefury Posted March 28, 2003 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/28/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 28, 2003 Thanks nebula. I have tried to give them hard evidence like that, but they always point to the muslims they know. "My muslim friends aren't like that. That is only if you take it literally." And the debate goes on. I don't try to lump all muslims together and realize that every muslim is not a terrorist at your door, but that is what I have been accused of saying and it has become horrendously frustrating. I told them to get a Qur'an of their own and read it for themselves. No response to that. I guess it is like preaching the Gospel in that you can sow it, but you may not see the fruit of it or if there is any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandRose Posted March 28, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,266 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 63 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/21/1954 Share Posted March 28, 2003 By the way, Islam doesn't mean "peace", Islam means "submission". And you're right, according to Mohammed that is either willingly or under the sword. IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted March 30, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,111 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 35 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/29/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2003 LOL, Cat, I totally agree. I can't compare to your experiences, but I have done short term mission work (two weeks at a time) on an Indian Reservation in North Carolina. We were instructed about how much some of them hate white people, the dangerous situations, (LOTS of alcoholism), etc. Real poverty is everywhere. Once we got there, a lot of the "missionaries" said 'forget this' and chose something like tending the flower beds at the camp. LOL. I swallowed my fear, trusted in the Lord and started door to door.....one guy exposed himself and peed on my shoe while I presented God's plan of salvations to him.......lol.......I smiled at him and asked him if he would like to know more? LOL We always had a large man (missionary) within yelling distance in a van....so were weren't stupid (I think God expects us to use our brains), but duh, missionary work isn't always safe and comfortable and fun......but is there any other feeling in the world as great as the one that you just KNOW you are wrapped tightly and safely in God's arms, armed to do His work? No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catsmeow Posted March 30, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 439 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 7,315 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 356 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2003 I'm sure there a very nice Muslims. I guess it may depend on where you go in the world. Honestly, I watch Forensic Files on cable and it's just amazing what demon occupation can do to the human psyche. People can be so dark and evil, it blows my mind. Having been the victim of very violent crime and by God's grace, survived the attack - I know how evil people can be. Imagine kids who are abandoned by their parents, dumped into a street without food or clothing and left to their own devices. This is what I saw in Muslim Indonesia. They're never taught morals or any kind of values. They are taught "Jihad". The Imams {Muslim clerics} come in and indoctrinate these orphans and become role models. They are fed propaganda and believe what they're taught blindly. They go and die a martyrs death for the cause of Allah. The Koran claims that the martyr will be ministered to by 72 virgins for all of eternity. Not a bad deal if you're a poor abandoned orphan growing up with no sense of belonging. Welcome to Islam. I lived and worked with Muslims day and night. I suspect a similar situation occurs in the poor Islamic countries around the world. People are very easy to control. The media does a great job in influencing public opinion. The masses are controlled by it. You can put a spin on just about anything and people will buy it. Do you know WHY they believe it? Easy...not too many people challenge what they hear or see. They can be very easily manipulated by the media, whether it be by television or shortwave. People out there have an agenda...the prowar folks have theirs and the anti-gov people have theirs and the Muslims and Al Jazeera has it's agenda...everybody has an agenda. But NO BODY cares that they're being conned or manipulated. They'd rather lay down and believe whoever shouts the loudest. I started a heavy-duty topic a month or so ago. It was called, "Deception and Propaganda" and I thought people would really want to know how they were being conned. Guess not. I included some research done during the Hitler regime and the tactics used to manipulate public opinion. No one read the topic. It died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TwoBombs Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Allah is the name of an ancient babylonian god. Mohammed used that name for his own puposes. FYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Boron Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 If I remember correctly, the name Allah is the Aribic derivitive of El (singular) which is also mentioned in Genesis, as El-ohim(Plural). The term "El" is from the oldest Babylonian language, which means the great creator (or something to that effect). It is like our name "God" which is taken from the old Anglo-Saxon name for "good". Aside from that, ALL of the world's religions, including false Christianity, teach "salvation" or, becoming acceptable to God is through human endeavor or in other words, WORKS. That none of them deal with the sin of man nor of our inherent sinfulness except the Spiritual path (Way) set before us , God's chosen (John 6:35-40), by the Son of God that is often referred to as "Christianity". It is because we, as "normal" humans do not realize that it is in our nature to be rebellious toward God, and it is this very factor of our nature that keeps us naturally separated from Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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