nebula Posted March 6, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted March 6, 2011 One bit of advice: Don't trust ANY version enslaved to Graf-Wellhausen! Who is that? The Graf-Welhausen Hypothesis was the beginning of the lunacy which today passes for legitimate Biblical Criticism. Lots of info on the net, I'm sure. I critiqued the critique in grad school, and the profs LOVED IT!!! OK, so what is the Graf-Welhausen Hypothesis and which versions use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted March 6, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Basically every version since the mid 1800's has been infected by the radical 'higher criticsm' of our age. The earlier hypothesis was simply that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 showed different authorship because different names were used for God (Elohim, and Yahweh). These two 'diverse' traditions were then said to have been lifted, respectively from a (purely theoretically deduced) E and J document. Well pretty quick for other parts of the Old Testament, ingenious scholars quickly invented a P and D document (JEPD theory), Then as successive generations of scholars each had to do 'original research' for their doctoral dissertations, and because it's easy to do if you can just invent a whole lot of pseudo-intellectual falderal out of whole cloth, people have found J1, J2, J3, E1, E2, EP, P1, P2, D1, D2, and DTR documents, but almost nobody can agree entirely on which is which, although they are each assured of the absolute brilliance of their own conjectures! And let us not forget that on the scantiest of evidences many of them believe in a Deutero-Isaiah and even a Trito-Isaiah, and of course the elusive "Q" document our 4 gospels were based on! In higher critical circles all this nonsense has several different disciplines such as Historicalgeschichte, Formgeschichte, Textgeschichte, Kerygmageschichte, etc. I synthesis them all under the heading "Bullgeschichte." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted March 6, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted March 6, 2011 That's interesting, Leonard. Thanks! So, how does all this affect the actual translation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted March 6, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted March 6, 2011 That's interesting, Leonard. Thanks! So, how does all this affect the actual translation? Well if within a particular passage say from the J1 tradition, there is a phrase or verse that just doesn't fit with the 'assured results of higher criticism' on that passage, then the phrase or verse can be omitted as a 'scribal gloss' or an incorrect 'textual emandation.' For examples of how badly this CAN play out, pick up a Moffatt translation of the Bible and read all Dr. Moffatt's notes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 That's interesting, Leonard. Thanks! So, how does all this affect the actual translation? It affects how the first 5 five books of the Bible are viewed. Source critics (JEPD folks) do not believe in Mosaic authorship for much if any of the Torah/Pentateuch. Deuteronomy for example is believed by source critics to have been written around the 6th century or so B.C around the time of Ezra. J, E, D, and P are anonymous authors as is Q for the NT Gospels. It is a bit involved, but it is pure nonsense as no evidence has ever been found for these anonymous authors. Translation inovolves other factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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