xyluz Posted August 19, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 565 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 527 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2011 I have often heard conversations between Christians (like me) and those who don't believe in God. I have personally tried to convince some of them by telling them that there is a God but most of the time they end up not believing what you have to say. -Please do note that i speak as a man- But i have realized that he that says there is no God is either blind or naive, because merely looking around your environment you would realize that their is obviously someone in charge... some of them even go to the extent of saying they need a personal encounter with this God before they believe - i actually laugh at that sometime - because as God is love he is also a consuming fire... there are millions of people in this world who believe in God and thousands of them only get the opportunity to a personal and up-close encounter with God, thousands are still longing for this encounter and thousands would probably not ever have such encounter (and they would still keep on believing) now what would give you the impression that if you don't believe in God it would affect Him in any way? What makes you think you are so special to the extent that he would spend a minute with you just to convince you that he is God? The truth is he doesn't have to prove himself as God, he was, is and will forever be God. Amen As a matter of fact it is a privilege to serve God. Serving God is for our own good. God loves you, he wants you, he wants to be your God, he wants to be a friend, he wants to be your father and he wants to be your all. This is the grace period, don't let grace run out on you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noobie Posted August 19, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 177 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2011 Anytime I come across a unbeliever and they want to debate I stop and think. Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you. Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Jhn 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. Jhn 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. Jhn 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted August 20, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2011 I have often heard conversations between Christians (like me) and those who don't believe in God. I have personally tried to convince some of them by telling them that there is a God but most of the time they end up not believing what you have to say. And when a muslim (wiccan, mormon, satanist) tells you about his god, do you believe what he has to say? Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself. But i have realized that he that says there is no God is either blind or naive, because merely looking around your environment you would realize that their is obviously someone in charge... And when some people do not interpret their environment as you do, are they always blind or naive? It will be a sad day when everyone thinks like this. some of them even go to the extent of saying they need a personal encounter with this God before they believe - i actually laugh at that sometime - because as God is love he is also a consuming fire... there are millions of people in this world who believe in God and thousands of them only get the opportunity to a personal and up-close encounter with God, thousands are still longing for this encounter and thousands would probably not ever have such encounter (and they would still keep on believing) now what would give you the impression that if you don't believe in God it would affect Him in any way? What makes you think you are so special to the extent that he would spend a minute with you just to convince you that he is God? The truth is he doesn't have to prove himself as God, he was, is and will forever be God. Amen There are billions of people in the world who believe in god. Many different gods. If some can be mistaken, they could all be mistaken. If god does not exist, he could not provide any encounter. Yet we have thousands of people that are willing to swear that they have had an encounter with their different gods. How can one tell the difference between one god and the next? As a matter of fact it is a privilege to serve God. Serving God is for our own good. That sounds very mercenary to me. God loves you, he wants you, he wants to be your God, he wants to be a friend, he wants to be your father and he wants to be your all. This is the grace period, don't let grace run out on you! If god exists, and loves me, and wants me, and wants to be my god, he can show himself to me. Anytime. If you would like to continue writing to me, please join me on this thread: Regards, UF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyluz Posted August 20, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 565 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 527 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 I have often heard conversations between Christians (like me) and those who don't believe in God. I have personally tried to convince some of them by telling them that there is a God but most of the time they end up not believing what you have to say. And when a muslim (wiccan, mormon, satanist) tells you about his god, do you believe what he has to say? Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself. But i have realized that he that says there is no God is either blind or naive, because merely looking around your environment you would realize that their is obviously someone in charge... And when some people do not interpret their environment as you do, are they always blind or naive? It will be a sad day when everyone thinks like this. some of them even go to the extent of saying they need a personal encounter with this God before they believe - i actually laugh at that sometime - because as God is love he is also a consuming fire... there are millions of people in this world who believe in God and thousands of them only get the opportunity to a personal and up-close encounter with God, thousands are still longing for this encounter and thousands would probably not ever have such encounter (and they would still keep on believing) now what would give you the impression that if you don't believe in God it would affect Him in any way? What makes you think you are so special to the extent that he would spend a minute with you just to convince you that he is God? The truth is he doesn't have to prove himself as God, he was, is and will forever be God. Amen There are billions of people in the world who believe in god. Many different gods. If some can be mistaken, they could all be mistaken. If god does not exist, he could not provide any encounter. Yet we have thousands of people that are willing to swear that they have had an encounter with their different gods. How can one tell the difference between one god and the next? As a matter of fact it is a privilege to serve God. Serving God is for our own good. That sounds very mercenary to me. God loves you, he wants you, he wants to be your God, he wants to be a friend, he wants to be your father and he wants to be your all. This is the grace period, don't let grace run out on you! If god exists, and loves me, and wants me, and wants to be my god, he can show himself to me. Anytime. If you would like to continue writing to me, please join me on this thread: Regards, UF When i say God, i am nothing talking about several gods, or different kinds of god that people believe in... there is only one God, and father of all. Any other thing outside of the one true God is nothing! and i do not interpret the environment like you put it, look at the seasons, look at time, look at the mountains, the ocean, the numerous uncountable animals and plants, look at the stars, look at your body - there are thousands of cells, nerves, and neurons that make up the human body, the blood that runs in the human body, the water, the human skin, the complex mechanism involved in the simplest tasks we involve in as human tasks such as standing - do you realize that the muscle and bones have to be at the proper angle before you can stand upright? to sit down - the skin, the tendons, muscles, bones etc must work just right for this to happen... so, my friend... i can not do the work of convincing you - because obviously you are a critical person (seeing the way you analyzed my post)... but one thing i can tell you is... i know too much about Him and there is nothing to make ma doubt. May be if you can read the bible you'll find the encounter you so seek. Like i said, it is a privilege to serve God! God Bless you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted August 20, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2011 When i say God, i am nothing talking about several gods, or different kinds of god that people believe in... there is only one God, and father of all. Any other thing outside of the one true God is nothing! and i do not interpret the environment like you put it, look at the seasons, look at time, look at the mountains, the ocean, the numerous uncountable animals and plants, look at the stars, look at your body - there are thousands of cells, nerves, and neurons that make up the human body, the blood that runs in the human body, the water, the human skin, the complex mechanism involved in the simplest tasks we involve in as human tasks such as standing - do you realize that the muscle and bones have to be at the proper angle before you can stand upright? to sit down - the skin, the tendons, muscles, bones etc must work just right for this to happen... so, my friend... i can not do the work of convincing you - because obviously you are a critical person (seeing the way you analyzed my post)... but one thing i can tell you is... i know too much about Him and there is nothing to make ma doubt. May be if you can read the bible you'll find the encounter you so seek. Like i said, it is a privilege to serve God! When you say god, you mean your god, and you disregard all other gods. Why? Do you deny that other people believe in other gods? Why? If you can structure your alleged reasoning to arrive at your god, why do you deny the same structure that others use to arrive at their other gods? You will need to do some heavier thinking. Regards, UF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyluz Posted August 20, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 565 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 527 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/23/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 When i say God, i am nothing talking about several gods, or different kinds of god that people believe in... there is only one God, and father of all. Any other thing outside of the one true God is nothing! and i do not interpret the environment like you put it, look at the seasons, look at time, look at the mountains, the ocean, the numerous uncountable animals and plants, look at the stars, look at your body - there are thousands of cells, nerves, and neurons that make up the human body, the blood that runs in the human body, the water, the human skin, the complex mechanism involved in the simplest tasks we involve in as human tasks such as standing - do you realize that the muscle and bones have to be at the proper angle before you can stand upright? to sit down - the skin, the tendons, muscles, bones etc must work just right for this to happen... so, my friend... i can not do the work of convincing you - because obviously you are a critical person (seeing the way you analyzed my post)... but one thing i can tell you is... i know too much about Him and there is nothing to make ma doubt. May be if you can read the bible you'll find the encounter you so seek. Like i said, it is a privilege to serve God! When you say god, you mean your god, and you disregard all other gods. Why? Do you deny that other people believe in other gods? Why? If you can structure your alleged reasoning to arrive at your god, why do you deny the same structure that others use to arrive at their other gods? You will need to do some heavier thinking. Regards, UF This is the challenge, you think too much. You want everything to be logical... i said it before and i will say it again - i know too much about God and there is nothing to make me doubt. And as a matter of fact, i am not trying to convince you... God bless you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah 6:8 Posted August 20, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 426 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,633 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 222 Days Won: 13 Joined: 03/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1978 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Moved. The Welcome section is not a place to debate Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noobie Posted August 20, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 177 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2011 "And when a muslim (wiccan, mormon, satanist) tells you about his god, do you believe what he has to say? Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself." Had he made his accusations on a muslim, wicca, mormon or satanist forum or even your topic properly labeled for such debate I can understand your reply but the fact is he is a new member such as myself and we do not know how strong in faith he is. Brings the question why you are here? We as Christians get persecuted wherever we go. Be it into town or at home on the internet. We as Christians are always defending, upsetting, offending and apologizing for our ways and I just ask you understand. UndecidedFrog why are you on this forum if not to worship Christ Jesus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted August 20, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2011 "And when a muslim (wiccan, mormon, satanist) tells you about his god, do you believe what he has to say? Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself." Had he made his accusations on a muslim, wicca, mormon or satanist forum or even your topic properly labeled for such debate I can understand your reply but the fact is he is a new member such as myself and we do not know how strong in faith he is. Brings the question why you are here? We as Christians get persecuted wherever we go. Be it into town or at home on the internet. We as Christians are always defending, upsetting, offending and apologizing for our ways and I just ask you understand. UndecidedFrog why are you on this forum if not to worship Christ Jesus? He had made this claim: I have personally tried to convince some of them by telling them that there is a God but most of the time they end up not believing what you have to say. I was merely pointing out how unreasonable a claim that is, by using parallel construction. Yes, he is a new member, who started this thread with an OP challenge to non-believers like me. The strength of his faith should not lie on denigrating others. You, as christians, represent the majority of the population. You are not persecuted in the USA or any western democracy. Not having your way does not mean you are being persecuted. Insulting others with open challenges like the OP is not defending. Regards, UF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted August 20, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2011 This is the challenge, you think too much. You want everything to be logical... i said it before and i will say it again - i know too much about God and there is nothing to make me doubt. And as a matter of fact, i am not trying to convince you... Yes, you have challenged me, and I have responded. Yes, I think. I know some would prefer me not to think. However, I have a brain, and I must exercise it. I recognize that people are not always logical, and behave in very strange ways. I appreciate the fact that you are not trying to convince me. I would appreciate it even more if you could refrain from insulting non-believers. We are not blind or naive. I am experienced and see only too well. Regards, UF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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