ellie Posted October 29, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 36 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 197 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/14/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 29, 2004 Exactly, where would any of us be without God's love. Oh how he loves you and me (meaning everyone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneB Posted October 29, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 232 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 7,261 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1959 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Exactly, where would any of us be without God's love. Oh how he loves you and me (meaning everyone). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Az_ Posted October 29, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 117 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 29, 2004 We do not need to know how to witness to them or need to be worried that the Gospel offends them. It is not the Gospel that offends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneB Posted October 29, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 232 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 7,261 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1959 Share Posted October 29, 2004 We do not need to know how to witness to them or need to be worried that the Gospel offends them. It is not the Gospel that offends. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I remember years ago Az when a group of young Christian teenagers were out evangelizing in our neighborhood. My girlfriend (now my wife) and I were sitting on the porch and they walked up to us asking me if I knew the Lord. Now this was about 15 years before I came to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior AND I was in the company of a beautiful young woman (hence the desire to show off a bit). Well, to be honest I was less than kind although I didn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Az_ Posted October 29, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 117 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 29, 2004 Well, to be honest I was less than kind although I didn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Genxpastor Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Dear barnabas, This is just my opinion. You don't have to accept it if you dislike it. DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. Apparently you hold very strong beliefs of what an atheist is and isn't. I sense so much animosity and hatred toward atheists in your post, I am wondering what did one or a few atheists do to you or your family that you hate them so. Hmmm. I disagree with all your strawman arguments, but of course, me being an atheist, you would not give my position any creedence. It really doesn't matter to me if you belittle the atheist position. I'm not here to convert you from your beliefs. I do worry about your animosity though. As I have stated in previous posts, hating a group of people only harms the hater more than the hated. What do you think your Jesus Christ would do? I advise that you release this animosity, before you blow an aneursym, or come across less tolerant atheists. Regards, UndecidedFrog <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just Curious...Why do non-Christians like to hang out on Christian message boards? Frog, are you looking to argue? familiarize yourself with people of different beliefs? Or are you searching deep down inside? No agenda here, just curious. Blessings~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnabas Posted October 30, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 58 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/11/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 You May Be A Fundamentalist Atheist If You think if a Christian won't address your arguments, they are too frightened to do so, or know they can't answer them; but if they do address your arguments, you think it is because they are "threatened" by them. You believe that any Christian who claims to have once been an atheist is either lying or was never a "true atheist." You think that John Shelby Spong is a reputable theologian but that Ben Witherington is merely an ignorant biblicist. You assert that the crimes and failings of some Christians (acting inconsistently with the teachings of Christ at that!) disproves the whole edifice of Christianity but that the crimes and failings of some atheists (acting consistently with the fact that atheism can provide no basis for objective morality!) should on no account be held against the philosophy of atheism. You assert that there is no absolute categories of good and evil, that all morals are merely personal, social and evolutionary constructs but then you can still describe Christians and Christianity as absolutely immoral, repugnant and evil and a danger to humanity and not feel even a twinge of hypocrisy at the monumental illogic of your position. You get angry when Christians tell you you're going to a place that you don't think exists. You deny that someone can possibly know they know the truth ('It's just belief, not knowledge,") while at the same time claiming to know the truth. You get angry and cry "hate" at a light hearted look at atheists. Cheer up! Jesus loves you. We love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnabas Posted October 30, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 58 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/11/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 Historian Paul Johnson wrote that Hitler hated Christianity with a passion, adding that shortly after assuming power in 1933, Hitler told Hermann Rauschnig that he intended "to stamp out Christianity root and branch." As Hitler grew in power, he made other anti-Christian statements. For example, he was quoted in Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, by Allan Bullock, as saying: "I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews." Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953). I have lifted the text of these from the soc.religion.christian newsgroup's Hitler FAQ. Night of 11th-12th July, 1941 "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7) 10th October, 1941, midday "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43) 14th October, 1941, midday "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... "...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... "Christianity <is> the liar.... "We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52) 19th October, 1941, night "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity." 21st October, 1941, midday "Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... "The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... "Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65) 13th December, 1941, midnight "Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>.... "When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119) 14th December, 1941, midday "Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... "Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120) 9th April, 1942, dinner "There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339) 27th February, 1942, midday "It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie." "Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted October 30, 2004 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2004 Dear Genxpastor, This is just my opinion. You don't have to accept it if you dislike it. DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. Just Curious...Why do non-Christians like to hang out on Christian message boards? Frog, are you looking to argue? familiarize yourself with people of different beliefs? Or are you searching deep down inside? I cannot speak for all non-christians who hang out on christian message boards. I can only answer for myself. I "hang out" on this christian message board to read posts concerning life and religion. I am here to familiarize myself with people of different beliefs. I am not here to argue. As for this searching deep down inside...yes, I always search inside, and outside. More appropriately stated, I look very carefully at things to make sure I am doing my very best at all times. Thanks for your curiosity. Hope I was able to answer your questions in a manner that was lucid. Regards, UndecidedFrog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted October 30, 2004 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2004 Dear barnabas, This is just my opinion. You don't have to accept it if you dislike it. DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. You get angry and cry "hate" at a light hearted look at atheists. I'm not angry. However, I do think that your look at atheists wasn't light-hearted. I sensed your bitterness in your original post, and I hope that you will overcome that bitterness, for in the long run, it will do you no good. Cheer up! Jesus loves you. We love you. I'm very happy already. I really don't need cheering up. I'm sure some here truly love me. But please forgive me for not believing that you are among them. Your original post makes it very obvious how you feel about atheists. Peace, UndecidedFrog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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