Has the Rapture already happened? Is the Earthly millennium false?

[Sculelos]

It seems to me that Peter was very clear that the rapture (Transfiguration) aka thousand years dwelt with Christ in heaven has already happened, aka those who were righteous and raised up shortly after Christ death were taken up with him to the Throne-room so that they could pray for Justice before the throne room of God for those thousand years which that they dwelt with Christ. Relevant verses below. 

 

 

Revelation 8

3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

 

2nd Peter 3

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

 

Revelations 20

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

Isiah 66

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

 

Isaiah 26

19 Thy dead men shall live , together with my dead body shall they arise . Awake and sing , ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. 20Come , my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast . 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh outof his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose herblood, and shall no more cover her slain .

 

Edited August 15, 2013 by Sculelos

[ayin jade]

Doesnt this contradict what you posted here?

 

[Sculelos]

Doesnt this contradict what you posted here?

 

 

No. I believe the Anti-Christ will come but I don't believe anyone would believe me when I say I think his name is Ramses. In Daniel it said to give the heart of a Man to the Beast and I can't think of any other man that was given that had his heart hardened. It certainly sounds crazy but I believe that before the tribulation the fallen Angels will be set free from their prison on the other side of the divide. It was said that the Angels had their bodies destroyed and they were trapped on the inside of the World past the molten lava however it is also said that when they return they will pretend to be friendly aliens and will fool all the masses with their great technology.

 

In the Book of Enoch it is also said that Azazel was the leader of War and that because Azazel taught mankind how to make War he would be sent to be confined in a prison past the lava of the Earth. Enoch 10:4 "Rufael: “Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and put him in the darkness; make an opening in the desert, which is in Dudâêl, and put him there.  5. And lay upon him rough and pointed rocks, and cover him with darkness that he may remain there forever, and cover his face that he may not see the light! 6. And on the great day of judgment he will be cast into the fire."

 

I'm just trying to get my chronology in order because it doesn't seem possible that there will be a secret rapture since the Bible is clear that every eye will see Jesus when he returns and even when he returns to destroy the Antichrist he issues a final warning to everyone remaining on the Earth. 

 

Revelations 16.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

Why would Jesus say he will come as a thief in the night moments before he killed all those who worshiped the beast, it simply does not make sense.

 

I would also explain that I see the book of Enoch as true because Jude quoted a passage out of it and Enoch was mentioned in the Bible 12 other times some referring to Enoch as passages from Enoch, and I believe John referring to Enoch as the 'Little Book' spoken of in Revelations and Daniel referring to Enoch as the 'Book Sealed' until the time of the End (Of the Prophecy which was John in Patmos in about 88 AD. 

 

Understand that Understanding Revelations, Enoch, Daniel and Ezekiel is a monumental task and not one that many choose to engage in as it is very complicated.

[ayin jade]

Ok a couple of things. First off, we dont know that the book of enoch you are refering to is the same as is referenced in the bible. The one known today is an extrabiblical text and not part of God breathed scripture. So take it with some skepticism. Secondly, you mention the millenial reign as already occuring. That happens after the antichrist. So that doesnt agree with your timeline. 

[Sculelos]

Ok a couple of things. First off, we dont know that the book of enoch you are refering to is the same as is referenced in the bible. The one known today is an extrabiblical text and not part of God breathed scripture. So take it with some skepticism. Secondly, you mention the millenial reign as already occuring. That happens after the antichrist. So that doesnt agree with your timeline. 

 

The Spirit of Anti-Christ has already come and is already here if we believe in John.

 

1 John 2:28 - Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

Revelation Chapter 13

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

 

In my understanding the Seven Horns are the Seven Planets, the Ten Horns is one on Each planet plus One Horn on the Earth, the Moon and the Sun. 

 

Saying that the Son of Perdition shall return and there shall be a 4 year tribulation if my understanding is correct.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Sculelos

[ayin jade]

 

Ok a couple of things. First off, we dont know that the book of enoch you are refering to is the same as is referenced in the bible. The one known today is an extrabiblical text and not part of God breathed scripture. So take it with some skepticism. Secondly, you mention the millenial reign as already occuring. That happens after the antichrist. So that doesnt agree with your timeline. 

 

The Spirit of Anti-Christ has already come and is already here if we believe in John.

 

 

In your post here 

 

 

you wrote:

 

it's certain that the Anti-Christ will not be shown before his appointed time but once he comes he will have powers that will confuse everyone. I'm pretty sure we are a long time away from that as we still got a long way to go (I'd guess between 60-70 years.)

 

 

You have contradicted yourself. 

[Sculelos]

Yeah it seems like Anti-Christ has come and is here but he still will come. The only explanation I have for this is the Spirit of Anti-Christ is more then one single entity but it's many entity's. I guess the real point of thinking about this stuff is even if my general timeline is correct with the tribulation occurring in 2079-2083 the rapture and end of our universe won't be for sometime between 0-45 years after that. Of course that is all based on the Books of Daniel and Enoch so it's hard to say for sure if that's actually the timeline. It's clear to me that the 7 Heads are planets though and the 10 crowns are the 7 planets plus the Sun the Moon and the Earth. 

 

1. Earth

2. Moon

3. Sun

4. Venus

5. Mercury

6. Mars

7. Jupiter

8. Saturn

9. Uranus

10. Neptune

 

It seems to be too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence. I suppose the bottom line is we as Christians must remember we don't know everything and must be prepared for anything to happen including 'Aliens' landing on Earth or even stranger events occurring. 

[ayin jade]

even if my general timeline is correct with the tribulation occurring in 2079-2083 the rapture and end of our universe won't be for sometime between 0-45 years after that

 

 

So I am curious where you get this time frame in your timeline. It doesnt fit what I see in scripture.

[Sculelos]

 

even if my general timeline is correct with the tribulation occurring in 2079-2083 the rapture and end of our universe won't be for sometime between 0-45 years after that

 

So I am curious where you get this time frame in your timeline. It doesnt fit what I see in scripture.

 

 

It's very complicated but basically if you assume the day's of Daniel are Years and you add up the years from Nebuchadnezzar Siege of Jerusalem to the Time Jerusalem was pronounced a nation again in 1948 it was 2520 years if you adjust for the small time difference in calendars. However if you add the 1290 years and 1335 years in Daniel 12 we get 106.5 years that are left which would bring us to 2055 if we look back in Daniel we see that Daniel stays by the brook for 24 day's before the men flee away thus it brings us to 2079. If we compare the time-line of Anti-Christ to the Timeline of the Two prophets which both have 3.5 years to speak yet the Antichrist shows up about 6 months after the two witnesses to start speaking which leaves us with 4 years to end the tribulation in 2083.

 

However there is also a prophecy of Enoch's 10 weeks which also confirms the above, I just find it strange that all Biblical signs point to birth pains starting in 2045, an Alien visitation and a global government set up by Aliens in 2055. Peace and prosperity for 24 years from 2055-2079 then 4 years of tribulation however it also say's after 2083 or Jesus return in the clouds Jesus will go back up to Heaven and humanity will be left on the Earth for a 'Little Season' Which means sometime less then 45 years which would bring us to a maximum of 2128.

 

Like I said I'm not sure if this is correct so take my word with a bucket of Salt as even if I am correct there will be literally no way to prepare for the calamities that will happen between 2045-2055 but we must trust in God that if he wants us to live through famines, wars and plagues there will be a way that we will survive through WW3 that will occur from 2045-2055 if my information is correct. 

 

I guess the best way to figure out if I'm correct is just watch the World. Fish will increase majorly in size before WW3 occurs so look for record sizes of fish in the ocean. Also look for increases Volcanic activity and a lot more heat and rain. The next 32 years should be prosperous and the World will grow from 7.5 Billion to 9 Billion people so for immediate times there is no reason to worry as the next 32 years should be good for most people if I am correct.

 

However always just trust God as he knows best, if I am correct we will see the signs happening well before, I don't believe in a rapture besides on the last day of Earths history in the year of the Mystery which will not happen at the end of the tribulation but well after the tribulation. It's hard to say what the 1,000 years are in Heaven but Paul say's 1 year in heaven is like 1 day on Earth so we know that the 1,000 years is forced to be during the seventh trumpet which will only probably last between 2-3 months. 

Edited August 16, 2013 by ~candice~

[blindwhale]

I believe the rapture is yet to come. I have had a vision of the Great Ascension (or rapture) and from the experience, I do believe it's to happen in the modern world in a time that is near.

 

My claim is also based on Revelation interpretation. I'll give one example.

 

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. -Revelation 17:9

 

From my understanding John is talking about the Internet and pornography. The number 7 resembles completeness. The 7 mountains represent the 7 continents of earth and 7 heads are the different peoples in it. The woman sitting on top is the porn star who is drunken off the blood of the saints (God's servants). It is talking about a time where the world is wrapped up in spiritual idoltary. With that being my interpretation, I do believe we're living in the end times. From the vision I've had of the Great Ascension (rapture) it was clear to me that it'd be during the great invasion.

 

When is rapture?

 

During the Sixth Trumpet - Four Angels of the Apocalypse.

 

This is when the forces of light come to destroy much of the world and since it's a time of complete chaos and panic, it sets the stage for the absence of the Church. For all those left behind after this occurrence will not take notice to the missing since the media forces will blame it on the destruction, not the rapture. This will be the great deception where they try to label the invasion as an "alien invasion" and cover up the fact that they were actually Angels under God's command.

 

Area 51 and shows on TV like "Ancient Aliens" are all setting the stage now to develop a common belief in efforts to disguise the event so people won't know it's part of the Revelation.

 

Edited August 16, 2013 by ~candice~