Ovedya Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted November 23, 2004 How long does the lake of fire burn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 23, 2004 _man says, Isn't the "aionos" v. "aion" argument part of Universalist theology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon The Jew Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 66 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 23, 2004 If Heaven isn't eternal....then what is it? Where exactly do we go after Heaven? Heaven and Hell have to be eternal, because if not, you run into these problems. 1. The Bible only mentions 2 places we can be after we die; Heaven or Hell. 2. The Bible does not mention any other place after Heaven or Hell, so we are forced to believe they are the end. 3. The Bible does not teach reincarnation, thus once we are dead, we stay that way. 4. I don't have the time to go looking up specific verses, but I'm pretty sure the Bible makes numerous references to God being eternal, first and last, Alpha and Omega. Think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borntorebel Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 127 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/02/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 _man says, How long does the lake of fire burn? It burns for the eons of the eons. It doesn't burn for an indefinite period of time. May God's grace, power and peace be with you, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted November 23, 2004 _man says, How long does the lake of fire burn? It burns for the eons of the eons. It doesn't burn for an indefinite period of time. May God's grace, power and peace be with you, Ron <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So exactly what is the definite period of time that the lak of fire burns for? Gimmie a number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borntorebel Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 127 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/02/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 Super Jew, Sweet, now you're in my realm of study! The Greek word aionis is used to refer to something outside of time. It is a "time" outside of time. It has no beginning or end, thus cannot be defined by a specific time period. It stems from aion which can mean a perpetual time period (which perpetual means ongoing) or can refer to a specific time period. Sorry Super Jew (does that mean you're are super law abider, therefore not believing in Jesus?), looks like you need to do more studying in this "realm". Aion means age, a definite period of time. Aionios describes aion, and since it is an adjective word, it can't be anything more than the root word it describes. Hourly is an adjective of hour, it doesn't mean anything more than pertaining to an hour. This is what aionios means, pertaining to the age(s). Tell me this, how can aion or aionios mean eternity, eternal, everlasting, evermore, forever, world, age, saints, never? I am not trying to understand Greek from and English mindset, I am studying God's word, and seeking understanding of what it says by looking at the meaning of the original Greek words in order to properly understand what is being said. I don't change the meanings of words or scripture to fit my theological belief system, I change my belief system according to scripture. I am not a Greek scholar, but I have talked to or read material of those who are and they say this is properly translated into "age", not "eternity". May God's grace, power and peace be with you, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borntorebel Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 127 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/02/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 _man says, So exactly what is the definite period of time that the lak of fire burns for? Gimmie a number. God doesn't tell us a certain number, so I'm not going to try and create something out of nothing. What God does tell us is that it is for the eons of the eons. By the definition of the Greek words used here, it isn't a definite period of time. That's good enough for me. I don't demand God to tell me everything. He reveals what He desires to reveal. Do you? May God's grace, power and peace be with you, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borntorebel Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 127 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/02/2004 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 Jon the Jew says, 1. The Bible only mentions 2 places we can be after we die; Heaven or Hell. 2. The Bible does not mention any other place after Heaven or Hell, so we are forced to believe they are the end. 3. The Bible does not teach reincarnation, thus once we are dead, we stay that way. 4. I don't have the time to go looking up specific verses, but I'm pretty sure the Bible makes numerous references to God being eternal, first and last, Alpha and Omega. 1. The bible tells us that when we die, our body returns to dust, our soul ceases to exist and our spirit goes to be with God the Father who gave it to us. It doesn't say we go to heaven or a fabled place of etrnal torture called "hell". 2. Read Reelation Jon, God brings His kingdom to earth through Jesus Christ, the Messiah. DO you recognize Jesus as that? 3. I never said the bible teaches reincarnation, but you're right about us staying dead. That is until Jesus raises us from the dead. 4. Yes we know God is eternal, and using the proper translation of these Greek words doesn't deny that. Think on that. May God's grace, power and peace be with you, Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted November 23, 2004 _man says, So exactly what is the definite period of time that the lak of fire burns for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne Posted November 23, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 923 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/14/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/03/1974 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Ron you said the following:- "It doesn't say we go to heaven or a fabled place of etrnal torture called "hell"." Am I interpreting this correctly, do you not believe in "hell", or a place of eternal torment? Where/what's Geenna then? Only asking! Love in Christ Jesus' name Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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