artsylady Posted October 6, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 6, 2005 Freebird: Do you think that we are born with sexual preferences? If yes, do you think pedophiles are an exception to this rule and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rick crompton Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Now what are the origins or causes of homosexuality or any other behavior got to do with them being an abomination or not? It is irrelevant to the sin status of homosexuality. No matter if one is born with a tendency or if it is a life style choice or a combination of both. What if someone said that pedophilia was a genetic tendency? would that make child abuse ok? And what about alcoholism? what if someone proved that it was caused by a genetic tendency. What if people are born with a tendency to be psychotic mass murders? Would that make mass murder ok? We can debate the origin of sin till where blue in the face, that does not change the fact that sin is still sin no matter where it comes from. Homosexuality is not just another lifestyle; it cannot be shown to be a viable alternative to heterosexuality in the way that active is compared to sedentary. Homosexuality is a sin issue and therefore the cause of this aberrant behaviour is nothing less than the fallen, adamic, human condition. Its cause is not related to genetic pre-disposition. We all have the pre-disposition to be lured into homosexuality for no other reason than we all are sinners. It is true that most people are abhorred at the gay lifestyle and all of its uncleanness. Most of us are also abhorred at murder, rape, kidnapping etc. Yet there are many who have committed the same crimes they have stood against ( witness Paul's probing words in Rom. 2:1,22. ) Though I never embraced a homosexual lifestyle in my unconverted days, it is possible that through conditioning, I might have gone that route if encouraged by others. Every other sin I took to was a result of being conditioned and encouraged by others e.g smoking, drug use, whoring around, lying etc. etc. Remember. a drunk is not born a drunk, nor a smoker .We learn from others. Homosexuals cannot reproduce; they must recruit. We sin through the works of the flesh and those fleshly works as enumerated in Gal. 5:19-21 are potentially able to rise up from their state of latency. Through the influence of others they may eventually become a pattern for life. Remember, " He that thinketh he standeth, take heed lest he fall. " Let's not condemn the homosexual above all the rest. Yes the sin of homosexuality is grievous but any one sin takes us to hell. Rick f Days (btw, we spell behaviour differently back here in Blighty!) Yeah we spell it like that in Aussie too but what can you do, while in rome do as the romans do. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Adstar, you hit the nail on the head I agree with you completely. Sin is the problem. Period. In His Love and Service, Ellie <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jusme Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Just a brief comment One factor that must be considered in whether a person is involved in homosexual behavior is appearance. This correlates strongly with genetics, and could likely explain the results of "twin" studies, etc. Let me explain. To a large extent, sexual behavior is a result of opportunity. And opportunity is not uniformly distributed. The majority of gay men I have known, their early sexual experiences involved other men. I never had that opportunity. Gay guys don't find me appealing. But there is a look. I don't know how exactly to describe it. But if you look that way, you will get attention. I go into a bar, no guy has ever bought me a drink. I have a friend (not gay, by the way, but pretty) who every time he goes into a bar, some guy will start buying him drinks. He doesn't like it much. But he seems to be attractive to gay men. The problem with the genetic predisposition thing is it is too simple. A persons early sexual experiences do more to establish their later behaviors than most anything else. Like the guy I know, who was raped when he was 6. Now he's gay. Two events he connects. It seems unlikely that the rapist was sufficiently discerning to pick a victim who was already going to turn out gay. He picked a victim who was pretty. And still is. Which is entirely a result of genetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inti Posted October 9, 2005 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2005 Freebird: Do you think that we are born with sexual preferences? If yes, do you think pedophiles are an exception to this rule and why? Your first question is a decent one, and one that everybody wants an answer to. Your second is bang out of order. What are you trying to do, compare homosexuals and paedophiles? Why even mention them in the same sentence, except to attempt "shock tactics". Ill make this clear to you now Homosexuals aren't paedophiles, they don't behave like them and they abhor their behaviour just as much as any hetrosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted October 9, 2005 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Inti WSB does have to substantiate his claim. It's been documented in every major newspaper in the world. Touch a raw nerve did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted October 9, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2005 Freebird: Do you think that we are born with sexual preferences? If yes, do you think pedophiles are an exception to this rule and why? Your first question is a decent one, and one that everybody wants an answer to. Your second is bang out of order. What are you trying to do, compare homosexuals and paedophiles? Why even mention them in the same sentence, except to attempt "shock tactics". Ill make this clear to you now Homosexuals aren't paedophiles, they don't behave like them and they abhor their behaviour just as much as any hetrosexual. I'm not comparing the two any more than I'm comparing pedophelia with heterosexuality. Both of these plus homosexuality and bisexuality all are sexual preferences. I'm trying to figure out which ones people think are genetic and which ones are learned and how you can tell. What is the problem? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted October 9, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2005 Yes, it's true that most pedophiles had been sexually abused when they were young. Not to say every person who was every sexually abused will abuse either. I'm a foster parent and it's very well known that if we have a child who was abused in the past sexually, we have to watch them like hawks around younger children because there is a good chance they will abuse. It's very sad. And another subject that no one wants to talk about - that there is a relationship to homosexuality and early abuse. I've known two men who were sexually abused who both stated that, while they are heterosexual, they struggle with homosexual thoughts. Both men are also very angry people, down deep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mea Culpa Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Freebird: Do you think that we are born with sexual preferences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted October 9, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2005 By your logic Christians are homosexuals and pedophiles. I think he's just seeing a co-relation here. Sometimes pedophiles go after same sex children, but sometimes they don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted October 10, 2005 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted October 10, 2005 Well anyway you view it, homosexuality or paedaphilia it's ludting after the flesh in a devious perverted manner and the same can be said of hetrosexuals who indulge in the reading of or sale of pornographic material.Lots of people have struggled with theses desire I know because I have, but nothing is impossible for God and He can reverse the trend if you are sincere with your desire to change. I can testify to that and the Lord did such a job on me, that any sort of sexual immority is repugnant and repulsive to me and I don't care who knows it. Had to get that off my chest. e 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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