Jzyehoshua Posted August 1, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 89 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/08/1984 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Seven Heads of the Beast = Seven hills/mountains, possibly of Rome (Rev. 17:9) 10 Horns = 10 Kings who serve the Beast (Rev. 17:12) Beast = 8th King (Rev. 17:11) Waters of the Great Harlot = Peoples/Nations/Races (Rev. 17:5) Great Harlot = Great city which reigns over the kings of the Earth (Rev. 17:18) 7 Candlesticks = 7 Churches (Rev. 1:20) 7 Stars = 7 Angels of the 7 Churches (Rev. 1:20) 7 Lamps of fire before the throne = 7 spirits of God (Rev. 4:5) 7 Eyes of the Lamb = 7 spirits of God sent into the Earth (Rev. 5:6) Golden vials of odors = Prayers of the saints (Rev. 5:8) 2 Olive Trees/Candlesticks = Two witnesses/anointed ones who stand by the Lord (Rev. 11:3-4, Zec. 4:14) Cherubim were represented as olive trees in the OT (1 Ki. 6:23) Sun, moon, and 12 stars of Rev. 12 = Israel and the 12 tribes (Gen. 37:9-10) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted August 1, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2014 The example of Satan ("red dragon") in Rev.12:3-4, which is about his rebellion of old, shows a beast kingdom that had ten horns, seven crowns, and seven mountains. Was that about Rome too, possibly? Obviously not, Rome did not exist back then. The 'seven hills' idea falls flat once that Rev.12:3-4 Scripture is weighed, even though 'seven hills' also applied to Jerusalem back in history. Rev.12:3-4 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persuaded Posted August 1, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 249 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2014 Seven is also "complete". Seven heads and seven crowns (diadems, ruling crowns) is complete control or authority. Satan is the god of this world, still. ---- In 1:20 the "candlesticks" (actually lamp stands, or oil lamps) are the 7 churches. The church is the thing that supports, reflects, is given life by, the flame. Acts 2 and the tongues of fire should come to mind. The church is the vessel, not the flame. This is a symbol of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. When a (local, individual, or type of) church is threatened with having its lamp stand removed as in 2:5, it's analogous to losing its witness or becoming dead in the Spirit. 7 Lamps (not the same word as lamp stands) of fire in 4:5 were the same 7 fires from the 7 lamp stands of 1:20, now in heaven. Jesus said He would send His Spirit, which would never leave us. Here, the seven-fold (complete) aspect of the Spirit is in heaven. True to Christ's words, the Spirit that indwelled the church has now come to heaven. 7 Spirits of God is also a reference to the seven "spirits of" in Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; ---- Another: The glassy sea or sea of glass, is the heavenly equivalent to the laver or washbowl of the tabernacle. The tabernacle was to be a shadow of heavenly things, a model of heaven in a sense. In heaven in Rev we see the elements or furniture from the tabernacle in their true or heavenly form, except for the altar which is done away with through the cross, and in the tabernacle there were no seats or thrones since the priest's work was never finished. Christ identifies Himself with every element of the tabernacle- the laver (washbowl) is the washing of the water by the Word. Israel was to wash in the laver, we are to wash in the water of the Word, in Heaven we stand on that which has made us clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted August 2, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2014 Seven is also "complete". Seven heads and seven crowns (diadems, ruling crowns) is complete control or authority. Satan is the god of this world, still. ---- In 1:20 the "candlesticks" (actually lamp stands, or oil lamps) are the 7 churches. The church is the thing that supports, reflects, is given life by, the flame. Acts 2 and the tongues of fire should come to mind. The church is the vessel, not the flame. This is a symbol of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. When a (local, individual, or type of) church is threatened with having its lamp stand removed as in 2:5, it's analogous to losing its witness or becoming dead in the Spirit. 7 Lamps (not the same word as lamp stands) of fire in 4:5 were the same 7 fires from the 7 lamp stands of 1:20, now in heaven. Jesus said He would send His Spirit, which would never leave us. Here, the seven-fold (complete) aspect of the Spirit is in heaven. True to Christ's words, the Spirit that indwelled the church has now come to heaven. 7 Spirits of God is also a reference to the seven "spirits of" in Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; ---- Another: The glassy sea or sea of glass, is the heavenly equivalent to the laver or washbowl of the tabernacle. The tabernacle was to be a shadow of heavenly things, a model of heaven in a sense. In heaven in Rev we see the elements or furniture from the tabernacle in their true or heavenly form, except for the altar which is done away with through the cross, and in the tabernacle there were no seats or thrones since the priest's work was never finished. Christ identifies Himself with every element of the tabernacle- the laver (washbowl) is the washing of the water by the Word. Israel was to wash in the laver, we are to wash in the water of the Word, in Heaven we stand on that which has made us clean. Sounds like that "Tabernacle Studies" mystical doctrine that was going around several years ago. That's Mysticism, and has no place in the simplicity that is God's Word. We are to use plain speech in discourse of God's Word, not Mysticism from the pagan 'mystery schools' of the ancients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persuaded Posted August 2, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 249 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2014 Baloney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Can you please name the "7 Spirits of GOD?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persuaded Posted August 2, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 249 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2014 It is just an OT title of the HS, as understood and interpreted through Isa 11, and John renders it this way, with the 7 lamps, so you will connect this seven-fold spirit with the earlier mentioned lamp stands. HS: is the seven(fold) spirits is seven lamps is the flame of the seven lamp stands is the flame of Acts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 That is not clear at all. "Just" an OT title of the Holy Spirit? What does that mean? How is that the 7 spirits of GOD? Please post Scripture references that supports your statement. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 This is a prophecy thread Parker, since when are people limited to what the bible actually says, LOL! Good luck on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persuaded Posted August 3, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 249 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2014 So 7 spirits of God in Rev is too big a leap to spirit of the Lord + 6 others in Isa? John has a very OT mindset, and expects you to have a good working knowledge of the OT. To a Jew steeped in the OT scripture, this isn't a stretch. Go spend some time reading Jewish commentaries to get a flavor of rabbinacle thinking. You will miss most of Rev's references unless you put yourself in that mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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