Enoch2021 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted October 24, 2014 ========================================================================================== The prophecies in the Bible are so vague as to render any meaningful probability analysis worthless. Baseless Generalized Unsupported Assertion (Fallacy). For Instance.....? Are they as Vague as The Daniel passage I spent 4 posts on? You can add as many 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 as you want. This was in the context of my attention acuity in response to someone with a detailed foretelling such as the Daniel Passage. Do you a point you'd like to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Share Posted October 24, 2014 ========================================================================================== The prophecies in the Bible are so vague as to render any meaningful probability analysis worthless. Baseless Generalized Unsupported Assertion (Fallacy). For Instance.....? Are they as Vague as The Daniel passage I spent 4 posts on? You can add as many 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 as you want. This was in the context of my attention acuity in response to someone with a detailed foretelling such as the Daniel Passage. Do you a point you'd like to make? The Bible and history cannot agree on when and if Jesus was crucified, not to mention changes in calendars and the arbitrary nature of time keeping and the vagaries of weeks vs. weeks...it is a stretch at best to say the prophecy of Daniel was accurate. Then you have the issue of the Gospels being written after Jesus death and written in an attempt to fulfill prophecy. You would never accept such unsupported assertions from anyone arguing a point against you Enoch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The prophecies in the Bible are so vague as to render any meaningful probability analysis worthless. Baseless Generalized Unsupported Assertion (Fallacy). For Instance.....? Are they as Vague as The Daniel passage I spent 4 posts on? You can add as many 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 as you want. This was in the context of my attention acuity in response to someone with a detailed foretelling such as the Daniel Passage. Do you a point you'd like to make? The Bible and history cannot agree on when and if Jesus was crucified, not to mention changes in calendars and the arbitrary nature of time keeping and the vagaries of weeks vs. weeks...it is a stretch at best to say the prophecy of Daniel was accurate. Then you have the issue of the Gospels being written after Jesus death and written in an attempt to fulfill prophecy. You would never accept such unsupported assertions from anyone arguing a point against you Enoch. ====================================================================================== The Bible and history cannot agree on when and if Jesus was crucified Support.....? Because it's another Unsupported Assertion (Fallacy) not to mention changes in calendars and the arbitrary nature of time keeping and the vagaries of weeks vs. weeks What Calendars? And it's Irrelevant. GOD uses 30 day months and 360 day years from Genesis to Revelation. This Prophecy is made to Daniel and to "Thy People". Who's are Daniel's People....The Jews. The Jews have Weeks of Days, Weeks of Weeks, Weeks of Months, and Weeks of Years. This passage is referencing Weeks of Years. it is a stretch at best to say the prophecy of Daniel was accurate. How so....? I thought I explained it quite concisely. Then you have the issue of the Gospels being written after Jesus death and written in an attempt to fulfill prophecy What relevancy does this have to Daniel....in the "OLD Testament"? None. Gospels being written after Jesus death and written in an attempt to fulfill prophecy And another Baseless "Non-Sequitur" Assertion (Fallacy). Support......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The prophecies in the Bible are so vague as to render any meaningful probability analysis worthless. Baseless Generalized Unsupported Assertion (Fallacy). For Instance.....? Are they as Vague as The Daniel passage I spent 4 posts on? You can add as many 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 as you want. This was in the context of my attention acuity in response to someone with a detailed foretelling such as the Daniel Passage. Do you a point you'd like to make? The Bible and history cannot agree on when and if Jesus was crucified, not to mention changes in calendars and the arbitrary nature of time keeping and the vagaries of weeks vs. weeks...it is a stretch at best to say the prophecy of Daniel was accurate. Then you have the issue of the Gospels being written after Jesus death and written in an attempt to fulfill prophecy. You would never accept such unsupported assertions from anyone arguing a point against you Enoch. ====================================================================================== The Bible and history cannot agree on when and if Jesus was crucified Support.....? Because it's another Unsupported Assertion (Fallacy) not to mention changes in calendars and the arbitrary nature of time keeping and the vagaries of weeks vs. weeks What Calendars? And it's Irrelevant. GOD uses 30 day months and 360 day years from Genesis to Revelation. This Prophecy is made to Daniel and to "Thy People". Who's are Daniel's People....The Jews. The Jews have Weeks of Days, Weeks of Weeks, Weeks of Months, and Weeks of Years. This passage is referencing Weeks of Years. it is a stretch at best to say the prophecy of Daniel was accurate. How so....? I thought I explained it quite concisely. Then you have the issue of the Gospels being written after Jesus death and written in an attempt to fulfill prophecy What relevancy does this have to Daniel....in the "OLD Testament"? None. Gospels being written after Jesus death and written in an attempt to fulfill prophecy And another Baseless "Non-Sequitur" Assertion (Fallacy). Support......? Calendars...how do we know when Jesus rode into Jerusalem...we have to go back and get the date using our calendars. How do we know what day it happened? If you can't wrap you head around someone writing something after the fact to fulfill a prophecy, then, I guess you would think it is a "Non-Sequitur". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Calendars...how do we know when Jesus rode into Jerusalem...we have to go back and get the date using our calendars. How do we know what day it happened? If you can't wrap you head around someone writing something after the fact to fulfill a prophecy, then, I guess you would think it is a "Non-Sequitur". ====================================================================================================================== Calendars...how do we know when Jesus rode into Jerusalem...we have to go back and get the date using our calendars. How do we know what day it happened? It's Triangulated from the reigns of Herod and Tiberius along with Passover and 5 -10 other Historical Facts. (SEE: The Coming Prince by Sir Robert Anderson). It's quite well established. Much comes from Luke where.... One of the most distinguished of all New Testament archaeologists, Sir William Ramsay, is said to have been converted partially through his surprised realization of the precise accuracy of Luke's depiction of conditions in the first century. In his epochal work, The Bearing of Recent Discovery on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament (1915), Ramsay said: "Luke's history is unsurpassed in respect of its trustworthiness" (p. 81). He added later: ". . . this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians" (p. 222). If you can't wrap you head around someone writing something after the fact to fulfill a prophecy I can wrap my head around it, I'm just waiting for a little something more than a Baseless Conjecture. More Importantly, Apparently ALL were unaware of the Prophecy....How do I know? Because they Crucified Jesus. And, Jesus even alluded to it directly.... (Luke 19:41-44) " And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, {42} Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. {43} For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, {44} And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation." This is the reason why Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD....they weren't reading/studying Scripture; and "they" were held Accountable. Quite Instructive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Calendars...how do we know when Jesus rode into Jerusalem...we have to go back and get the date using our calendars. How do we know what day it happened? If you can't wrap you head around someone writing something after the fact to fulfill a prophecy, then, I guess you would think it is a "Non-Sequitur". ====================================================================================================================== Calendars...how do we know when Jesus rode into Jerusalem...we have to go back and get the date using our calendars. How do we know what day it happened? It's Triangulated from the reigns of Herod and Tiberius along with Passover and 5 -10 other Historical Facts. (SEE: The Coming Prince by Sir Robert Anderson). It's quite well established. Much comes from Luke where.... One of the most distinguished of all New Testament archaeologists, Sir William Ramsay, is said to have been converted partially through his surprised realization of the precise accuracy of Luke's depiction of conditions in the first century. In his epochal work, The Bearing of Recent Discovery on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament (1915), Ramsay said: "Luke's history is unsurpassed in respect of its trustworthiness" (p. 81). He added later: ". . . this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians" (p. 222). If you can't wrap you head around someone writing something after the fact to fulfill a prophecy I can wrap my head around it, I'm just waiting for a little something more than a Baseless Conjecture. More Importantly, Apparently ALL were unaware of the Prophecy....How do I know? Because they Crucified Jesus. And, Jesus even alluded to it directly.... (Luke 19:41-44) " And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, {42} Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. {43} For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, {44} And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation." This is the reason why Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD....they weren't reading/studying Scripture; and "they" were held Accountable. Quite Instructive! Are you saying that Jesus and those who called for his crucifiction were unaware of the prophecies? and...on the calender thing...from http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm Jewish Calendar Level: Basic • Based on moon cycles instead of sun cycles • "Leap months" are added to sync up with sun cycles • Used to be calculated by observation • Calculated mathematically since 4th century • Years are numbered from Creation A few years ago, I was in a synagogue, and I overheard one man ask another, "When is Chanukkah this year?" The other man smiled slyly and replied, "Same as always: the 25th of Kislev." This humorous comment makes an important point: the date of Jewish holidays does not change from year to year. Holidays are celebrated on the same day of the Jewish calendar every year, but the Jewish year is not the same length as a solar year on the civil calendar used by most of the western world, so the date shifts on the civil calendar. Background and History The Jewish calendar is based on three astronomical phenomena: the rotation of the Earth about its axis (a day); the revolution of the moon about the Earth (a month); and the revolution of the Earth about the sun (a year). These three phenomena are independent of each other, so there is no direct correlation between them. On average, the moon revolves around the Earth in about 29½ days. The Earth revolves around the sun in about 365¼ days, that is, about 12.4 lunar months. The civil calendar used by most of the world has abandoned any correlation between the moon cycles and the month, arbitrarily setting the length of months to 28, 30 or 31 days. The Jewish calendar, however, coordinates all three of these astronomical phenomena. Months are either 29 or 30 days, corresponding to the 29½-day lunar cycle. Years are either 12 or 13 months, corresponding to the 12.4 month solar cycle. The lunar month on the Jewish calendar begins when the first sliver of moon becomes visible after the dark of the moon. In ancient times, the new months used to be determined by observation. When people observed the new moon, they would notify the Sanhedrin. When the Sanhedrin heard testimony from two independent, reliable eyewitnesses that the new moon occurred on a certain date, they would declare the rosh chodesh (first of the month) and send out messengers to tell people when the month began. The problem with strictly lunar calendars is that there are approximately 12.4 lunar months in every solar year, so a 12-month lunar calendar is about 11 days shorter than a solar year and a 13-month lunar is about 19 longer than a solar year. The months drift around the seasons on such a calendar: on a 12-month lunar calendar, the month of Nissan, which is supposed to occur in the Spring, would occur 11 days earlier in the season each year, eventually occurring in the Winter, the Fall, the Summer, and then the Spring again. On a 13-month lunar calendar, the same thing would happen in the other direction, and faster. To compensate for this drift, the Jewish calendar uses a 12-month lunar calendar with an extra month occasionally added. The month of Nissan occurs 11 days earlier each year for two or three years, and then jumps forward 30 days, balancing out the drift. In ancient times, this month was added by observation: the Sanhedrin observed the conditions of the weather, the crops and the livestock, and if these were not sufficiently advanced to be considered "spring," then the Sanhedrin inserted an additional month into the calendar to make sure that Pesach (Passover) would occur in the spring (it is, after all, referred to in the Torah as Chag he-Aviv, the Festival of Spring!). A year with 13 months is referred to in Hebrew as Shanah Me'uberet (pronounced shah-NAH meh-oo-BEH-reht), literally: a pregnant year. In English, we commonly call it a leap year. The additional month is known as Adar I, Adar Rishon (first Adar) or Adar Alef (the Hebrew letter Alef being the numeral "1" in Hebrew). The extra month is inserted before the regular month of Adar (known in such years as Adar II, Adar Sheini or Adar Beit). Note that Adar II is the "real" Adar, the one in which Purim is celebrated, the one in which yahrzeits for Adar are observed, the one in which a 13-year-old born in Adar becomes a Bar Mitzvah. Adar I is the "extra" Adar. In the fourth century, Hillel II established a fixed calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations. This calendar, still in use, standardized the length of months and the addition of months over the course of a 19 year cycle, so that the lunar calendar realigns with the solar years. Adar I is added in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th years of the cycle. The current cycle began in Jewish year 5758 (the year that began October 2, 1997). If you are musically inclined, you may find it helpful to remember this pattern of leap years by reference to the major scale: for each whole step there are two regular years and a leap year; for each half-step there is one regular year and a leap year. This is easier to understand when you examine the keyboard illustration below and see how it relates to the leap years above. Edited October 24, 2014 by jerryR34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted October 24, 2014 @Enoch "GOD uses 30 day months and 360 day years" Well that's wrong. As their is not always 30 days in each month. Sometimes it's 28 days, 29 days in a leap year, sometimes it is 31 days. And as for days in a year, well that's wrong for a start. Furthermore you posted "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" No creation has been observed, i.e. There was nothing, then there was something. All that has ever been observed is already existing matter. Already existing matter doesn't entail a creation, all it entails is matter exists. ================================================================================================================== "GOD uses 30 day months and 360 day years" Well that's wrong. As their is not always 30 days in each month. Sometimes it's 28 days, 29 days in a leap year, sometimes it is 31 days. And as for days in a year, well that's wrong for a start. I said GOD uses 30 Day Months and 360 Day Years....very easy to identify from Genesis through Revelation Man...has changed Calendars . Just like in Scripture, GOD uses the Original Names for Places/Tribes ect. Man....changes the names of Places/ Tribes ect. Same Concept here. Furthermore you posted "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" No creation has been observed, i.e. There was nothing, then there was something. I never said Creation was Observed by anyone but the Creator. Adam...did observe GOD "Creating" a little. All that has ever been observed is already existing matter. Already existing matter doesn't entail a creation, all it entails is matter exists. Where'd the Already "existing" Matter come from in the first place?? Is the question. The 1st Law of Thermodynamics "Pillar of Science" states: Matter/Energy can not be Created or Destroyed...just change Form. And we are here; SO, if Nature can't do it, then.....GOD is your only Choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted October 24, 2014 ========================================================================================================= Are you saying that Jesus and those who called for his crucifiction were unaware of the prophecies? Nope, Jesus Knew....HE'S GOD. If you were a Jew and you knew the EXACT day of your Messiah arriving....would you kill HIM? They apparently were unaware of THIS Specific Prophecy. Do you have some kind of a Point here??.... and...on the calender thing...from http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm Jewish Calendar lvc_evry.gif Level: Basic • Based on moon cycles instead of sun cycles • "Leap months" are added to sync up with sun cycles • Used to be calculated by observation • Calculated mathematically since 4th century • Years are numbered from Creation A few years ago, I was in a synagogue, and I overheard one man ask another, "When is Chanukkah this year?" The other man smiled slyly and replied, "Same as always: the 25th of Kislev." This humorous comment makes an important point: the date of Jewish holidays does not change from year to year. Holidays are celebrated on the same day of the Jewish calendar every year, but the Jewish year is not the same length as a solar year on the civil calendar used by most of the western world, so the date shifts on the civil calendar. Background and History The Jewish calendar is based on three astronomical phenomena: the rotation of the Earth about its axis (a day); the revolution of the moon about the Earth (a month); and the revolution of the Earth about the sun (a year). These three phenomena are independent of each other, so there is no direct correlation between them. On average, the moon revolves around the Earth in about 29½ days. The Earth revolves around the sun in about 365¼ days, that is, about 12.4 lunar months. The civil calendar used by most of the world has abandoned any correlation between the moon cycles and the month, arbitrarily setting the length of months to 28, 30 or 31 days. The Jewish calendar, however, coordinates all three of these astronomical phenomena. Months are either 29 or 30 days, corresponding to the 29½-day lunar cycle. Years are either 12 or 13 months, corresponding to the 12.4 month solar cycle. The lunar month on the Jewish calendar begins when the first sliver of moon becomes visible after the dark of the moon. In ancient times, the new months used to be determined by observation. When people observed the new moon, they would notify the Sanhedrin. When the Sanhedrin heard testimony from two independent, reliable eyewitnesses that the new moon occurred on a certain date, they would declare the rosh chodesh (first of the month) and send out messengers to tell people when the month began. The problem with strictly lunar calendars is that there are approximately 12.4 lunar months in every solar year, so a 12-month lunar calendar is about 11 days shorter than a solar year and a 13-month lunar is about 19 longer than a solar year. The months drift around the seasons on such a calendar: on a 12-month lunar calendar, the month of Nissan, which is supposed to occur in the Spring, would occur 11 days earlier in the season each year, eventually occurring in the Winter, the Fall, the Summer, and then the Spring again. On a 13-month lunar calendar, the same thing would happen in the other direction, and faster. To compensate for this drift, the Jewish calendar uses a 12-month lunar calendar with an extra month occasionally added. The month of Nissan occurs 11 days earlier each year for two or three years, and then jumps forward 30 days, balancing out the drift. In ancient times, this month was added by observation: the Sanhedrin observed the conditions of the weather, the crops and the livestock, and if these were not sufficiently advanced to be considered "spring," then the Sanhedrin inserted an additional month into the calendar to make sure that Pesach (Passover) would occur in the spring (it is, after all, referred to in the Torah as Chag he-Aviv, the Festival of Spring!). A year with 13 months is referred to in Hebrew as Shanah Me'uberet (pronounced shah-NAH meh-oo-BEH-reht), literally: a pregnant year. In English, we commonly call it a leap year. The additional month is known as Adar I, Adar Rishon (first Adar) or Adar Alef (the Hebrew letter Alef being the numeral "1" in Hebrew). The extra month is inserted before the regular month of Adar (known in such years as Adar II, Adar Sheini or Adar Beit). Note that Adar II is the "real" Adar, the one in which Purim is celebrated, the one in which yahrzeits for Adar are observed, the one in which a 13-year-old born in Adar becomes a Bar Mitzvah. Adar I is the "extra" Adar. In the fourth century, Hillel II established a fixed calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations. This calendar, still in use, standardized the length of months and the addition of months over the course of a 19 year cycle, so that the lunar calendar realigns with the solar years. Adar I is added in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th years of the cycle. The current cycle began in Jewish year 5758 (the year that began October 2, 1997). If you are musically inclined, you may find it helpful to remember this pattern of leap years by reference to the major scale: for each whole step there are two regular years and a leap year; for each half-step there is one regular year and a leap year. This is easier to understand when you examine the keyboard illustration below and see how it relates to the leap years above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Share Posted October 24, 2014 ========================================================================================================= Are you saying that Jesus and those who called for his crucifiction were unaware of the prophecies? Nope, Jesus Knew....HE'S GOD. If you were a Jew and you knew the EXACT day of your Messiah arriving....would you kill HIM? They apparently were unaware of THIS Specific Prophecy. Do you have some kind of a Point here??.... and...on the calender thing...from http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm Jewish Calendar lvc_evry.gif Level: Basic • Based on moon cycles instead of sun cycles • "Leap months" are added to sync up with sun cycles • Used to be calculated by observation • Calculated mathematically since 4th century • Years are numbered from Creation A few years ago, I was in a synagogue, and I overheard one man ask another, "When is Chanukkah this year?" The other man smiled slyly and replied, "Same as always: the 25th of Kislev." This humorous comment makes an important point: the date of Jewish holidays does not change from year to year. Holidays are celebrated on the same day of the Jewish calendar every year, but the Jewish year is not the same length as a solar year on the civil calendar used by most of the western world, so the date shifts on the civil calendar. Background and History The Jewish calendar is based on three astronomical phenomena: the rotation of the Earth about its axis (a day); the revolution of the moon about the Earth (a month); and the revolution of the Earth about the sun (a year). These three phenomena are independent of each other, so there is no direct correlation between them. On average, the moon revolves around the Earth in about 29½ days. The Earth revolves around the sun in about 365¼ days, that is, about 12.4 lunar months. The civil calendar used by most of the world has abandoned any correlation between the moon cycles and the month, arbitrarily setting the length of months to 28, 30 or 31 days. The Jewish calendar, however, coordinates all three of these astronomical phenomena. Months are either 29 or 30 days, corresponding to the 29½-day lunar cycle. Years are either 12 or 13 months, corresponding to the 12.4 month solar cycle. The lunar month on the Jewish calendar begins when the first sliver of moon becomes visible after the dark of the moon. In ancient times, the new months used to be determined by observation. When people observed the new moon, they would notify the Sanhedrin. When the Sanhedrin heard testimony from two independent, reliable eyewitnesses that the new moon occurred on a certain date, they would declare the rosh chodesh (first of the month) and send out messengers to tell people when the month began. The problem with strictly lunar calendars is that there are approximately 12.4 lunar months in every solar year, so a 12-month lunar calendar is about 11 days shorter than a solar year and a 13-month lunar is about 19 longer than a solar year. The months drift around the seasons on such a calendar: on a 12-month lunar calendar, the month of Nissan, which is supposed to occur in the Spring, would occur 11 days earlier in the season each year, eventually occurring in the Winter, the Fall, the Summer, and then the Spring again. On a 13-month lunar calendar, the same thing would happen in the other direction, and faster. To compensate for this drift, the Jewish calendar uses a 12-month lunar calendar with an extra month occasionally added. The month of Nissan occurs 11 days earlier each year for two or three years, and then jumps forward 30 days, balancing out the drift. In ancient times, this month was added by observation: the Sanhedrin observed the conditions of the weather, the crops and the livestock, and if these were not sufficiently advanced to be considered "spring," then the Sanhedrin inserted an additional month into the calendar to make sure that Pesach (Passover) would occur in the spring (it is, after all, referred to in the Torah as Chag he-Aviv, the Festival of Spring!). A year with 13 months is referred to in Hebrew as Shanah Me'uberet (pronounced shah-NAH meh-oo-BEH-reht), literally: a pregnant year. In English, we commonly call it a leap year. The additional month is known as Adar I, Adar Rishon (first Adar) or Adar Alef (the Hebrew letter Alef being the numeral "1" in Hebrew). The extra month is inserted before the regular month of Adar (known in such years as Adar II, Adar Sheini or Adar Beit). Note that Adar II is the "real" Adar, the one in which Purim is celebrated, the one in which yahrzeits for Adar are observed, the one in which a 13-year-old born in Adar becomes a Bar Mitzvah. Adar I is the "extra" Adar. In the fourth century, Hillel II established a fixed calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations. This calendar, still in use, standardized the length of months and the addition of months over the course of a 19 year cycle, so that the lunar calendar realigns with the solar years. Adar I is added in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th years of the cycle. The current cycle began in Jewish year 5758 (the year that began October 2, 1997). If you are musically inclined, you may find it helpful to remember this pattern of leap years by reference to the major scale: for each whole step there are two regular years and a leap year; for each half-step there is one regular year and a leap year. This is easier to understand when you examine the keyboard illustration below and see how it relates to the leap years above. Where in scripture did it say a month was 30 days or a year 360 as you posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted October 24, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Where'd the Already "existing" Matter come from in the first place?? Is the question. The 1st Law of Thermodynamics "Pillar of Science" states: Matter/Energy can not be Created or Destroyed...just change Form. And we are here; SO, if Nature can't do it, then.....GOD is your only Choice. Matter has always been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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