White Rabbitt Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 219 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 190 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/31/1950 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, Fran C said: I'm afraid that wouldnt help me. Joyce Meyers is also of not too much help to me. I like cs Lewis, John neuhaus, Scott Hahn... 1 minute ago, Fran C said: I'm afraid that wouldnt help me. Joyce Meyers is also of not too much help to me. I like cs Lewis, John neuhaus, Scott Hahn... So you refuse to read Joel Osteen because someone has made you prejudice against him, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2017 39 minutes ago, BacKaran said: Joel Osteen is not a pastor. His dad was but he's not. He doesn't confirm homosexuality as a sin for example. He's a man who wants everyone to have their best life now... Really? Tell that to all our brother and sisters being persecuted into death, it don't work Joey. For me personally, I will have my best life when I'm with Christ, adoring and praising Him in the New Jerusalem. Amen? I've heard this before: That he's not a pastor. What is a pastor? Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, White Rabbitt said: So you refuse to read Joel Osteen because someone has made you prejudice against him, right? NO. I'ts because he's too positive and this has not been my life experience. I've learned that God does not always give us what we want, but we have to trust that He gives us what we need. Self-help books are of no use to me. I like to LEARN, I like to hear what others have to say about Christianity, how they understand Jesus' words, what He taught. I think this is sthe best way for me go become better. Not by reading what worked for someone else, although that could help some - I'm not putting him down in general. It just wouldn't help ME. I know a girl that stopped believing because of him. She did what he said and prayed and prayed for her marriage but it didn't work out so she lost faith in God. She couldn't understand why He didn't answer her prayer. I spoke to her about this but by that time she was so bitter she wouldn't even listen to me. But this goes for every pastor...they can't please everyone. JO pleases a lot of folk!! Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbitt Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 219 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 190 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/31/1950 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Fran C said: NO. I'ts because he's too positive and this has not been my life experience. I've learned that God does not always give us what we want, but we have to trust that He gives us what we need. Self-help books are of no use to me. I like to LEARN, I like to hear what others have to say about Christianity, how they understand Jesus' words, what He taught. I think this is sthe best way for me go become better. Not by reading what worked for someone else, although that could help some - I'm not putting him down in general. It just wouldn't help ME. I know a girl that stopped believing because of him. She did what he said and prayed and prayed for her marriage but it didn't work out so she lost faith in God. She couldn't understand why He didn't answer her prayer. I spoke to her about this but by that time she was so bitter she wouldn't even listen to me. But this goes for every pastor...they can't please everyone. JO pleases a lot of folk!! Fran Stop looking a t man and start looking at God. Man will always let you down. God will never let you down. This is the problem people have. If they want to blame Joel Osteen, why not? He's successful. Would they listen to him if his life was full of failures as theirs is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, White Rabbitt said: Stop looking a t man and start looking at God. Man will always let you down. God will never let you down. This is the problem people have. If they want to blame Joel Osteen, why not? He's successful. Would they listen to him if his life was full of failures as theirs is? You missed my point. I DON'T LOOK AT MAN. That's my whole point. I don't care what Joel has to say in general. Whereas CS Lewis explains Christianity. John Neuhaus explains Jesus last seven words on the cross. I AM looking to God and not to MAN. See? Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, White Rabbitt said: So you refuse to read Joel Osteen because someone has made you prejudice against him, right? BTW. I don't listen to what people say. If I have an opinion on someone public, like Joel Osteen, it's because I've watched him for a time myself. It's not fair to create an opinion based on what other people have to say about a person. Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbitt Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 219 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 190 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/31/1950 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Fran C said: BTW. I don't listen to what people say. If I have an opinion on someone public, like Joel Osteen, it's because I've watched him for a time myself. It's not fair to create an opinion based on what other people have to say about a person. Fran So who told you not to listen to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbitt Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 219 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 190 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/31/1950 Share Posted January 17, 2017 By the way, are you Catholic? You sure do sound catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, White Rabbitt said: So who told you not to listen to him? No one. I watched him for a while and decided I wasn't getting anything out of it. Ditto for Joyce Meyers. I like Joseph Prince. He believes in eternal security and I really don't, but he has a great way of preaching and teaching. I could listen to him all day. I can't think of anyone else right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, White Rabbitt said: By the way, are you Catholic? You sure do sound catholic. This is interesting. What have I said that makes me sound Catholic? (Not that there's anything wrong with it...) Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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